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NYguy Mar 7, 2013 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UTEPman (Post 6040721)
I'm confused.

Isn't he the guy who would know how it will "turn out". I mean he should be pretty up to speed on the actual height this thing is likely to achieve.

That just means that the height hasn't been finalized and it's still in design phase, but keep in mind, he's always said that. It was only december when they hired architects for the tower. Even though a new building permit has been filed, those can always be altered.


http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...er_chicago.jpg

By Elliot Brown
December 16, 2012

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New York-based Extell is aiming high: Last month, the company filed a permit application to build a 1,550-foot tower on the site just east of Broadway between 57th and 58th streets. While the precise height could easily change—Mr. Barnett said plans were very preliminary—the developer is clearly gearing up to build one of the tallest towers in the city...

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/i...1216171803.jpg


Will it be the "tallest" tower? That's still up in the air, even if we knew for sure the building would top out at the given height.

TechTalkGuy Mar 7, 2013 1:16 PM

:previous: It looks taller than the Willis (Sears) Tower -- can't wait to see the renders!

NYC4Life Mar 7, 2013 7:27 PM

^^^ Will be about 100 feet taller than Willis to the roof if those end up being the final height.

NYCrules Mar 7, 2013 8:12 PM

I don't want to lose hope, finally.
God please help!!

-Filipe- Mar 7, 2013 8:20 PM

i think 1550 feet is a secur enumber for the highest occupied floor, not to the roof of the tower, and since they're still designing i think its going to be quite taller then 1650 ft

aquablue Mar 7, 2013 9:39 PM

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Originally Posted by -Filipe- (Post 6041954)
i think 1550 feet is a secur enumber for the highest occupied floor, not to the roof of the tower, and since they're still designing i think its going to be quite taller then 1650 ft

Why do you think that? There is no logical reason to believe that, it could very well go the other way for all you know. There is no firm height number and you can't trust the developer's word until the plans are finalized and the tower is rising. The only thing we can know is that none of us have any idea really unless you have contacts. Everything else is useless speculation.

Yankee fan for life Mar 8, 2013 1:05 AM

I know the developers said that they are not going for anything gimmicky with a spire,but dam i wish they do so this tower can be a 2000 footer!

-Filipe- Mar 8, 2013 2:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Yankee fan for life (Post 6042347)
I know the developers said that they are not going for anything gimmicky with a spire,but dam i wish they do so this tower can be a 2000 footer!

he siad no spire till the 1550 ft mark doesnt mean we cant have one on top :D

TechTalkGuy Mar 8, 2013 5:04 AM

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Originally Posted by -Filipe- (Post 6042422)
he siad no spire till the 1550 ft mark doesnt mean we cant have one on top :D

Aha! ;)

I can't wait to see the renders -- this tower has even more potential if a spire is included.

Imagine an enclosed spire like the one that crowns the ESB where you can physically go for an above-the-roof observatory - express elevators - cash registers would be ringing up non-stop to bring the public into the spire and would be a very lucrative non-stop cash cow. :D

NYCrules Mar 8, 2013 8:55 AM

Awkward that 15 Penn Plaza ended with day-dreaming, and this one is chewing terrifyingly long. Shit!
To me it'll mean a massacre if it doesn't even become the tallest roof in the city.

NYguy Mar 8, 2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TechTalkGuy (Post 6042630)
Imagine an enclosed spire like the one that crowns the ESB where you can physically go for an above-the-roof observatory - express elevators - cash registers would be
ringing up non-stop to bring the public into the spire and would be a very lucrative non-stop cash cow. :D

I doubt there would be any type of public space at the top (there's a planned deck for residents), even though it would be a moneymaker. As far as spires go, it there is one,
it won't be a "gimmicky" attempt to gain height, according to Barnett. However, a natural extension of the design, even if unoccupied space, could work.


A look at some of the firm's work...

http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/wuha...enland-center/

http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/imag...ht_(c)ASGG.jpg



http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/clas...28c%29ASGG.jpg



http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/clas...28c%29ASGG.jpg



http://archdezart.com/2012/06/11/dan...ng-dragons-_7/

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http://archdezart.com/wp-content/upl...ragons-_10.jpg



http://www.archicentral.com/tag/meraas-tower/

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http://www.archicentral.com/wp-content/images/61.jpg



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http://www.archicentral.com/wp-content/images/124.jpg

TechTalkGuy Mar 8, 2013 1:13 PM

:previous: Now that's what I call good designs, NYguy! :)
If we can get something along that architectural style, then we may have a winner here.
Taller = Better.

NYguy Mar 8, 2013 2:28 PM

^ I imagine that the store itself will also be nice, the Nordstrom guys chose the firm to design the building. It will be a high quality design, only in the thicket of the Manhattan canyons...



vandelay Mar 8, 2013 5:23 PM

Smith is clearly a gifted architect with a lot of international work. Having said that, a common issue with international "statement" architecture is that they can be built or be from anywhere, so they're simultaneously generic and ostentatious. A notable exception is his Jin Mao tower. That's a work of genius that's unmistakably "Shanghai."

I hope he gives NYC its props.

RoldanTTLB Mar 8, 2013 5:42 PM

The old Morton Williams space is now completely board up and the construction (demolition...) equipment that has been parked on site for months has been moved into position to take down the building. Not long now.

Crawford Mar 8, 2013 6:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCrules (Post 6042752)
Awkward that 15 Penn Plaza ended with day-dreaming, and this one is chewing terrifyingly long. Shit!

Penn Plaza is "on the shelf" to take the literal statement from Vornado. It's on hold, because Vornado is having all kinds of internal issues, and there's no way they're going to find an anchor tenant right now.

But something huge will eventually be built there. They have been assembling the air rights for 15 Penn Plaza for well over a decade now.
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Originally Posted by NYCrules (Post 6042752)
To me it'll mean a massacre if it doesn't even become the tallest roof in the city.

Going by all the permits filed (including one this week, for demolition) 225 W57will be 1550 to roof.

So it will be tallest, (by roof, though, not overall, that goes to 1WTC), but I don't think for very long.

There are too many projects planned for Hudson Yards in particular, and there are likely other 432 Park/225 W57 projects percolating in Midtown. Sales prices are so stunningly high that you just know there are some off-the-radar assemblages going on by folks like Barnett (Extell), Zeckendorf and Macklowe.

We already know, for example, that Barnett has another big assemblage on 57th Street between 5th and 6th. That location is even better than One57 or 225 W 57, so, who knows, maybe that will be his tallest. We'll see.

NYguy Mar 8, 2013 7:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vandelay (Post 6043126)
I hope he gives NYC its props.

I hope so too. We will just have to see what develops, but I have faith the tower is in good hands.



Good news for the high end developer...


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/re...ces.html?_r=1&

Billionaires’ Club Is Set to Grow


By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO
March 7, 2013

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Watching a ballet, you cannot help but marvel at the power of the movement, and the ability of the dancers to soar through the air, time and again, as if there were no limits to their stamina. And so it is —well, almost — with the market for high-end properties, where the intensity of sales, at heights never seen before, defied gravity in 2012, whether it was in New York, London, Miami, Los Angeles or Hong Kong.

Is there a day of reckoning on the horizon? Just how many more buyers will be willing to pay $88 million for an apartment in Manhattan, or $121 million for a 10,000-square-foot Chelsea house like the one the developers Nick and Christian Candy bought in London in September? Or $117.5 million for a nearly nine-acre estate in Woodside, Calif., in Silicon Valley, the highest price ever paid for a residence in the United States?

The short answer is a lot. New reports out this week suggest that the residential luxury-buying ballet is very likely poised for a sustained performance.

Over the next 10 years, some 95,000 more people around the world are expected to see their wealth grow to at least $30 million, according to a forecast by Knight Frank, a London-based real estate company, which puts the current number of such people at 189,835.

Then there are the global billionaires, a crowd with an almost insatiable appetite for trophy properties, like the penthouse at 15 Central Park West that the daughter of Dmitry Rybolovlev, a Russian potash fertilizer billionaire, bought last year for $88 million, or $13,000 per square foot.

The number of billionaires will grow by 85 percent over the next decade, to 4,076, Knight Frank forecasts.

MarshallKnight Mar 8, 2013 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by vandelay (Post 6043126)
Smith is clearly a gifted architect with a lot of international work. Having said that, a common issue with international "statement" architecture is that they can be built or be from anywhere, so they're simultaneously generic and ostentatious. A notable exception is his Jin Mao tower. That's a work of genius that's unmistakably "Shanghai."

I hope he gives NYC its props.

I'm with you here. I had a discussion about this with RobertWalpole over at SSC. Some people want this tower to be utterly futurist, curvy, transformative to the skyline. On the other had, I hope (and quite expect) that AS+GG's design will respect and allude to the historical context of NYC, instead of trying to alter it.

A design like the Wuhan Greenland Center pictured above is lovely, and will help define the skyline of its city... but New York is defined by hundreds of tall buildings. Plopping in a new tallest that completely disregards any of the hallmarks of classic NYC design runs the risk of (for lack of a better term) mucking it all up.

Jin Mao is a fantastic example. It's iconic, impressive and importantly, references the historical architecture of a millennia-old city in a bold modern way. In New York, Tower Verre is probably the best new example: something we've never seen, and yet recognizably New York, as it brings together International and Neo-Gothic, with a silhouette right off of the Chrysler building... in fact, my dream, which was dashed finally when they made the architect announcement, was that they could repurpose Nouvel's old design and stretch it to 1,550ft.

But different strokes for different folks.

aquablue Mar 8, 2013 10:23 PM

That faceted tower proposed for Dubai by smith is outrageous. I love it.

I wouldn't mind a faceted and chiseled angular tower here, however I'm not holding my breath.

NYCrules Mar 9, 2013 6:37 AM

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We already know, for example, that Barnett has another big assemblage on 57th Street between 5th and 6th. That location is even better than One57 or 225 W 57, so, who knows, maybe that will be his tallest. We'll see.
Could you be generous enough as to let me know the details of this thing?:)


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