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halifaxboyns Nov 3, 2015 3:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie (Post 7220925)
And now YEG-YQR on AC too.
The good news is DL is launching SEA soon and this should ramp up to twice daily next summer.

Problem with this route is that the fare is ridiculously high compared to YYC to SEA. Plus it doesn't do well in terms of connections in SEA - it seems to be nothing more than getting an aircraft out of SEA to park because SEA has no room.

SkahHigh Nov 3, 2015 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicko999 (Post 7218795)
The top 5 as of September

1. YYZ: 27,982,740 (+6.9% YTD) AS OF AUGUST
2. YVR: 13,867,398 (+4.7% YTD) AS OF AUGUST
3. YUL: 11,973,423 (+4.4% YTD)
4. YYC: 11,762,816 (+1.8% YTD)
5. YEG: 5,510,302 (-0.8% YTD)

Trudeau airport keeps increasing the % of international passengers at a much faster rhythm than the domestic ones.

Thanks for making the big five list Nicko.

For the record, YUL's september stats: 1,327,046 passengers, +5.5%

Domestic +2.8%
International +8.3%
Transborder +2.4%

YTD +4.4%

G.S MTL Nov 3, 2015 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7221130)
Thanks for making the big five list Nicko.

For the record, YUL's september stats: 1,327,046 passengers, +5.5%

Domestic +2.8%
International +8.3%
Transborder +2.4%

YTD +4.4%

YUL trailing behind YVR :) well a few million behind! hehehe,,,, can't wait to see YUL at 20 million

flipv Nov 3, 2015 4:17 PM

Air Canada is taking this YYZ-fortress strategy even further...

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TorontoDrew Nov 3, 2015 9:26 PM

So great news for those against jets at Billy Bishop Airport. The Liberal Party has announced it will not support the expansion of the airport. I love Porter but I love my waterfront and Island more.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...eral-1.3300989

Liberals stand by vow to block jets at Billy Bishop

Canadian74 Nov 3, 2015 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew (Post 7221663)
So great news for those against jets at Billy Bishop Airport. The Liberal Party has announced it will not support the expansion of the airport. I love Porter but I love my waterfront and Island more.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...eral-1.3300989

Liberals stand by vow to block jets at Billy Bishop

How does it make any difference to you if an airline flies a Q400 vs a C-series to the airport?
:shrug:

In fact I believe it was shown the C-series is quieter than the Q400

Bad move by Liberals

kwoldtimer Nov 3, 2015 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7221778)
How does it make any difference to you if an airline flies a Q400 vs a C-series to the airport?
:shrug:

In fact I believe it was shown the C-series is quieter than the Q400

Bad move by Liberals

The C-series would require a runway extension, iirc.

hipster duck Nov 3, 2015 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian74 (Post 7221778)
How does it make any difference to you if an airline flies a Q400 vs a C-series to the airport?
:shrug:

In fact I believe it was shown the C-series is quieter than the Q400

Bad move by Liberals

The C-series requires a runway expansion. Some of us find that allowing Porter to expand a runway is unwise because:

- a runway is permanent, and an airline almost never is.
- it would involve expropriation of "land" (or, in this case, a body of water known as the "marine exclusion zone") that is in the public domain
- it is based on a very shaky business model: flying medium-distance services (something Porter has no experience doing) with jets that aren't even in commercial service yet.

This is really a bully tactic by Porter's CEO Robert Deluce. If they want to fly jets so badly, they can do so out of Pearson. Now that there's a rail link that makes the trip in 22 minutes, it's not even like Porter has any time advantage for downtown business travelers - especially when you're flying to destinations 5 hours away like LA or Vancouver (which is what Porter wants to do with these jets).

nname Nov 3, 2015 11:56 PM

Not sure why a runway extension is needed :???:

Take-off run at MTOW for current Q400: 1402m
Take-off run at MTOW for proposed CS100: 1219m
Longest runway currently at YTZ: 1216m

WhipperSnapper Nov 4, 2015 12:01 AM

Seems rather presumptuous of the Liberals. Won't look good either should the city favour expansion. Personally, I'm for it if it means fewer Q400s flying over my house. Ridiculously loud.

SkydivePilot Nov 4, 2015 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 7221942)
Not sure why a runway extension is needed :???:

Take-off run at MTOW for current Q400: 1402m
Take-off run at MTOW for proposed CS100: 1219m
Longest runway currently at YTZ: 1216m

For safety and performance reasons. ( . . For improved accelerate/stop distances and usable V1 speeds for larger aircraft.)

SignalHillHiker Nov 4, 2015 10:13 PM

Discovering a new airline today. I thought Provincial Airlines was our only one, but there's also this charter. I assume it's ours since its logo is the Republican and Labrador flags.

http://i64.tinypic.com/iwu5o1.png

http://i65.tinypic.com/263aqs2.png

tovan Nov 5, 2015 9:27 PM

http://www.vancouversun.com/mobile/b...942/story.html

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METRO VANCOUVER -- The Vancouver International Airport terminal will reach full capacity in about five years, according to current projections, and officials say 2016 will play a big role in determining how the facilities are expanded to meet demand.

The Vancouver Airport Authority said it will decide by the second quarter of 2016 how the passenger terminal will be expanded to increase its capacity from the current figure of 25 million passengers annually. The three options being explored include a westward expansion that includes a satellite terminal connected to the main terminal by a tunnel, a centralized expansion model and an eastward one.

YVR president and CEO Craig Richmond said a management team will be researching costs, environmental feasibility, effects on passengers, air-side logistics and other factors in the next four months before presenting a recommendation to the board. Richmond also noted it is crucial for YVR to stay ahead of the passenger growth curve to stay competitive.

“Because we don’t have a 10-million-persons city, we have to be more nimble, and we have to be more aware what customers want,” he said. “We don’t want to get to a place where we are overcrowded, because — let’s say you are flying through here from Shanghai to Dallas — you could choose somewhere else (to connect) pretty quickly if you thought we were overcrowded.”

YVR is projected to welcome 20 million passengers this year, a five-million increase since 1998. During the same period, the airport reduced the number of takeoffs and landings by 50,000 annually by attracting larger, more efficient aircraft. As such, Richmond said the airport will not be looking at a new runway “anytime soon.”

However, airport officials said a terminal expansion will likely require some new taxiways to reduce the travel time of planes between the gates and the runways. Richmond also said YVR is actively looking to engage transit authorities to enhance ground transportation to and from the airport, since an expanded terminal would bring more passengers, who in turn will increase the traffic burden on existing Metro Vancouver roads, rail, and bridges.

Regardless of terminal design, the construction will likely take place within the next two years, in a incremental fashion to avoid being caught in an economic/traffic downturn mid-process, he said.

“We’re looking ahead and saying, ‘Right now, yes, it looks like we’ll have 25 million by 2020, but if that slows down, we would like to be able to slow down the building program,’” Richmond said. “We always like to do things incrementally if we can. Instead of adding 20 gates at once, we’d rather add five, because that seems like a more prudent way to do it.”

To ensure people get their say, YVR has launched a public engagement program for its new master plan, which is due to be presented to Ottawa by December 2016. The other likely major project at the airport would be a geothermal facility to help heat and cool the terminal. The business case is set to be presented within months, Richmond said, with plans for it to be operational by 2020.

Major airports in Western Canada have been undergoing expansions in recent years, the most notable of which is the new international terminal at Calgary International Airport, slated for completion in 2016.

Denscity Nov 5, 2015 11:16 PM

Random fact AC's first female pilot learned to fly in Castlegar YCG. She just retired after 37 years 23000 hours.

ghYHZ Nov 6, 2015 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 7225038)
Daily 1 hour flights from YCG to YVR & YYC on ACX
British Columbia is named after the Columbia River, a 4 minute walk from my house
Exactly halfway between Vancouver and Calgary
castlegar.ca

….and a nice little airport too! Love the approach when we’ve flown in on ski vacations.

SkydivePilot Nov 6, 2015 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper (Post 7221949)
Seems rather presumptuous of the Liberals. Won't look good either should the city favour expansion. Personally, I'm for it if it means fewer Q400s flying over my house. Ridiculously loud.

What???!!!! Q400s ridiculously loud???!!!!

You must be a young man. Have you any idea as to what is "rediculously loud"?

For turboprops: Vickers Viscount/Vanguard; Fokker F-27/227/50; Grumman Gulfstream I; . . . and anything else that's Rolls Royce Dart/Tyne-powered. Now THOSE were ridiculously loud. ;)

We won't go into jet-powered a/c here. :)

cyeg66 Nov 6, 2015 2:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot (Post 7225611)
What???!!!! Q400s ridiculously loud???!!!!

You must be a young man. Have you any idea as to what is "rediculously loud"?

For turboprops: Vickers Viscount/Vanguard; Fokker F-27/227/50; Grumman Gulfstream I; . . . and anything else that's Rolls Royce Dart/Tyne-powered. Now THOSE were ridiculously loud. ;)

We won't go into jet-powered a/c here. :)

Hahaha, thought the exact same thing. As for jet-powered perpetrators, a BAC 1-11 on go-around power without any kind of hushkit b.s. assistance is a particularly fond memory of mine. F-101 Voodoo's weren't exactly quiet, either.... Those planes would put hair on your chest and cracks in your windows. Good times, good times.

SkahHigh Nov 6, 2015 4:24 PM

On an economic mission in China, Montreal mayor Denis Coderre said he is in talks with Chinese authorities for direct air liaisons to Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou in the short term, according to La Presse.

Article in french:
http://affaires.lapresse.ca/economie...-chinoises.php

thenoflyzone Nov 6, 2015 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7225772)
On an economic mission in China, Montreal mayor Denis Coderre said he is in talks with Chinese authorities for direct air liaisons to Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou in the short term, according to La Presse.

Article in french:
http://affaires.lapresse.ca/economie...-chinoises.php

Don't hold your breath. YUL should concentrate on making PEK a success first, and if anything, making it a daily affair. PEK is the largest market from YUL to East Asia. The next largest is NRT. So if we go at it by logic, NRT should be next. NRT is also a Star hub (just like PEK), and has the most chances of attracting feed on both ends and therefore making the flight a success, something that is less likely on flights to PVG (where CA has a limited presence) or CAN.

Either way, I don't see many Chinese airlines lining up to serve YUL, because it's sure as hell not going to be AC starting these Chinese routes. The only Chinese airline that might give it a go (probably out of PVG) is HU, which was interested in starting PEK-YUL before AC/CA stole the show. Still highly unlikely if you ask me. Besides that, I don't see China Eastern or Southern starting YUL from their respective hubs of PVG or CAN. SZX is almost an impossibility, as it has no service to North America whatsoever, so thinking that the first destination would be YUL is absurd. However, it does have one advantage. It is only 20 miles from Hong Kong.

flipv Nov 6, 2015 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7225772)
On an economic mission in China, Montreal mayor Denis Coderre said he is in talks with Chinese authorities for direct air liaisons to Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou in the short term, according to La Presse.

Article in french:
http://affaires.lapresse.ca/economie...-chinoises.php

I'd assume YYZ would get access to these markets (except for Shanghai) before YUL - the demand is on an order of magnitude bigger.


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