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a quick montage I threw together with paint and the CTBUH NY conference list to display the supertalls of NYC's own billionaires' row:

http://i.imgur.com/jhhW5l5.png

225 w 57th dwarves One 57. Seeing them next to each other will be surreal, One 57 is outstanding alone.

^ Very nice.

A montage I've put together using the renderings of those giants together...


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[QUOTE=NYguy;6809465]^ Very nice.

A montage I've put together using the renderings of those giants together...


Bravo! Can't wait to see the conversions from proposed to under construction for a number of these in the very near future. NY is finally taking a lead role again in building skyscrapers with great architecture at great heights.
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Its going to be an epic sight seeing all of these cranes everywhere. Given the fact that many of these are in demo and/or will start in 2015; its going to be a race to the sky. :D

In 2020, the postcards will all have to be changed. What we see now will be severally outdated 5 years from now. Hopefully the whole Olympic 2024 Bid thing for the city will actually happen. Theres still a chance!

Indeed...2015-2016 will be a big year for skyscraper development. Nordstrom, 111w 57th, 220 CPS, 520 park, 3WTC, 30 Hudson Yards etc will be rising in addition to a host of other smaller towers, not to mention site work will have begun for sites like 425 park.

Hudson,

Can you add 1 Vanderbilt and 30 HY to that?

It' a box for the most part, I'm still disappointed over that. The final render better have something better in the facade detail otherwise it's just another selfish tower development that is turning its face inward rather than giving something back to the city (the average person, not skyscraper nuts)!. I think the city ought to push good design by awarding some more FAR for a design that is more interesting and meets certain criteria for quality.

This party started without you guys...

Mid October 2014:

http://i.imgur.com/JxAIkJk.jpg

Wow! That's under construction no question. Do you have any November pictures? When do you guys think this will start rising into street view?

I've stated this before on this thread, this building has been u/c per SSP standards, for a few months now. I am still mystified by mods haven't moved this building to u/c.

Since the building is now under construction, is the height/design basically final or can it be changed?

I'd say its final. Any sort of height change would require a slew of new meetings and all that and would delay the process. Remember, time is money. For every month that this sits behind schedule, the developer loses millions.

So does that mean that they are still going to build it one stupid foot shorter than one wtc? I sure hope not.

Probably. But who knows as its to early. It would be nice if they sneak that in at the last moment. :haha:

Sort of a ESB versus Chrysler moment like in the 30's. Although I'm hoping that 1 Vanderbilt will get a height increase. Why not make that the tallest while where at it. Sort of the 21st Century ESB in a way. But if it makes you feel better, this will be taller in a sense due to the elevation. So from sea level, this is the tallest in NYC when finished. Similar to how pinnacle wise, the ESB when viewed from the ground over in NJ near the water stands close to 1,550 feet due to the elevation. (To the pinnacle)

I really hope that they do make it taller than the wtc. If they don't, we might have something like the Philadelphia city hall height limit in NYC. That would really suck and limit the city. In my opinion, it's a bigger deal than the extra twig that they will put atop this building.

Looks under construction to me! :cheers:

Thanks summersm343. :) The one mod who moves things the day they are requested. :cheers:

Under construction? LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!

Under Construction! :D

Yes! Just about time! Let get going!!!

As always, 1 picture is worth a thousand words.

To be fair, the problem has been the site is arranged such that passerbys can't really see what's going on. You can't really get a good look unless you're looking down, from an adjacent building.

Most developments are much easier for gauging progress.

I know that, but we do need photos to confirm things. Regardless, there's been activity on site for a while now, whatever section of the forum this thread was in at any given time had no bearing on that, and still doesn't. Of course, there are people who may not have known, but they probably wouldn't click on the thread anyway.

Weak dollar eh? Huh....

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http://i.imgur.com/obuLSq3.png
http://i.imgur.com/8oAEwVU.png

Man, that dollar is certainly looking weak! :koko:

The dollar, while strengthening, is certainly historically weak.

In any case, I doubt the relative strength of the dollar has anything to do with the relative strength of the Manhattan condo market.

Back in the 80's The CitySpire Center was permitted 4 up to 800 feet. Some how they "accidently" toped it out at 814 feet making it 1 foot taller then Chase Manhattan Plaza & good 4 seventh tallest in NYC at the time. There "fine" was building some dance studio for the city's poor or something like that.

So maybe this baby will "accidently" grow 2 feet!:)

Maybe a daredevil will climb it and weld an old pogo stick to the top of the spire. Has to happen sooner or later.

It's almost guaranteed to happen. This tower will be too visible, and the height of the spire (and proximity to the FT height) will make it more talked about than 432 Park Avenue. The "hysteria" over the tall building in Manhattan hasn't really begun yet.

If they do add a few feet to the spire, will there be some sort of penalty? Also, if they want to add a few more floors, would they have to go through the whole approval process again or would it be a shorter process?

There are no height limits on this site, and any height increase would be as-of-right. They would just need to file an amended building permit.

So this building could theoretically be over 2000 feet without much trouble with permitting? Do you guys see this as a possibility at all, or are we looking at a tower about the current height?

It would be nice for them to break the annoying 1776 foot barrier but I don't see why they would go all the way to 2000 feet.

I bet the 1775' figure will stay the same and the roof will end up in the 1500' range since apparently there was an increase.

This building could theoretically be 1 inch tall, or 2,000 ft. tall. Again, it's as of right.

But we already have building permits, so why would we assume anything beyond the building permits? I believe 1490-1500 to roof and 1775 to tip. That's almost certainly the outcome, because that's what the filings indicate.

I don't know about that....I mean, don't you think that they might just say that it's going to be a foot shorter than one wtc so nobody starts complaining, and when it is under construction, they make taller? I guess you don't think that is too likely, but that's my thinking.

Don't expect a height change.

They are only kidding themselves, someone will come along though and surpass it eventually. ;)

It that's true, that's pretty pathetic. A gentlemen's agreement to keep that spindly spire the tallest point in NYC is the inverse of what NY forward looking and culture of capitalism represents. 9/11 has a memorial.

The height change I think people are referring to is of the roof since the DOB states 1490' to the top floor. I think we all know it don't go past 1775'

Roof height is far more important anyway, especially in NY where there are abundant pinnacles.

Even so, the agreement still allows for a 1,775' 11" roof height with a 500' antenna. Besides economics, there's hardly a cap on height in NYC...

True, but economics itself is surely enough of a cap, plus the fact that they would need FAA permission which I imagine is a pain.

^My statement was tounge-in-cheek. It should read, "Besides economics ...with an emphasis on ECONOMICS.

We're talking about this tower. He was given specific information that said not to expect a height change.

As far as any other tower, it's up to the developers to decide what gets built, and how tall they would like it, architect or not. And this being New York, you know someone will want to top the Freedom Tower's height.

But for now, enjoy this tower for what it is, another in the line of supertalls on 57th street. I think it needs that spire to stand out from the pack.

We've got about three years before it's topped out. Around that time or not far behind, 111 W. 57th should be topping out, and 30 Hudson should be as well. So it will come in a wave of new towers, unlike One57 and 432 Park which both enjoy time in the spotlight alone.

If the developers of Nordstrom decided to make the building taller than the WTC, would their plan not be approved or is it really up to them how tall they make it?

It would be approved. The city doesn't have a set limit of 1,776 ft. They just wanted to make it a foot shorter (developers). Unless its over 2000 feet, then the FAA would get involved and they are a holes about things (Miami cough cough). Although I do wish Greenland Group would get involved in a supertall. If anything, they would be the ones to push for a megatall.

But I wouldn't worry about WTC1 being the Philadelphia City Hall of NYC. Taller towers will come in time due.

So if a tower is above 2000 feet it automatically has to be approved by the FAA?

Yes. It has to show clear public interests, deemed not hazardous to air travel, and then a request could become a reality. Essentially both parties have to comply on the issue and come to an agreement.

What we see in Miami and why they require approval for everything is the proximity of the airport. This also plays a big role, and can applies to most developments near an airport or a flight path.

2000' isnt going to happen people.

well not with that attitude.

It would be nice, especially with the cancellation of Chicago Spire (again) but you also have to be realistic and not get your hopes high for nothing. There's no reason why we would see a 2000' building here. It would make us skyscraper nerds happy of course but that's not a legit reason. ;)