so just how bad is it that the building permit was denied? is it not that big of a deal?

Happens all the time. No need to worry.

good to hear. i was getting nervous! hahaha

It's not "bad" at all. Just part of the process. All work needs a permit from the buildings department, and everything must be in order. Permits are filed until everything is correct. Even if approved though, that permit would have been revised with a later permit, as plans become more complete.

People say 500m+ towers are popping up all over China. That's true but they are being built in a more or less sparsely populated area.

An example: Hefei, third- tier Chinese city. 502m tall tower going up right here:

By sangguo
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Whereas in New York a tower of similar height is going to be built here...


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Javier Ortega Figueiral

Well I think that says it all.

:notacrook: Yeah !!!! for this reason is new york, is extraordinary !!!

Let's just keep the topic on what's being developed here. There's no connection to China.

(January 10, 2013)


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I know Barnett said there wouldn't be a spire, but that was to the 1,550 ft height.
I wouldn't mind a spire above that, some inspiration from the street...

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:previous: I agree with NYguy on this one -- a spire would certainly be interesting indeed. :tup:

I wonder what this could be a reference to...:shrug:


http://www.luxuryloft.com/blog/

NEW YORK NEW DEVELOPMENT: THE NEXT CHAPTER


January 12th, 2013

That other Extell building? (or did that render already get released?)
I really can't keep up anymore...

Any idea on when we'll start to see some renderings?

It wasn't denied. It just hasn't been approved yet.

Right, hopefully when they refile, there will be more details to follow.


Meanwhile, this permit approved today at least allows them to move forward...

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

:previous: That's great news, NYguy! :cheers:

Can anyone tell me if this building really gets built or it is just a kind of tantalisation???

same developer as one57 lol preety sure its getting built ;)

thank god and all thanks to you too, if it's assure it's getting built, my heart shall cool down...

It has a very good chance of being built. Not only because the higher end residential market in New York is on fire, but the Nordstrom department store chain has already made a huge financial and space commitment here. Also One57 has done so well that I'm sure international buyers are still itching to get their hands on an even taller tower. Everyone just seems to love Extell chief Gary Barnett.

Out of curiosity!!!
What's that site preparation for if its construction hasn't been yet approved??
Could you please explain???

The DOB simply reviews the building's adherence to City's building code. This isn't like the public review process where there are political pressures such as demands to reduce the building's height. This is a review that all systems of the building are in accordance with the code. Given the size of the project, it will probably take some time for the plan examiners to fully review and understand the building. If everything is in accordance with the code, the project will be approved and construction can move forward. In the meantime, it will remain "disapproved".

^ That's correct.

It's just a formality. All building work, whether new, alteration, or demo, requires a building permit. The buildings department has to certify that everything is in order before you are granted a permit. If it is denied, that means something was not in order. Doesn't mean you can't do the work, it means you can't do the work until you get the permit. The DOB also has the power to shut sites down, even if you have your building permit, if rules are not being followed or until things are put in order. The One57 site still has a partial stop work order. Building plans are often revised, and new permits reflect changes.

Site preparation on new buildings begins regardless because its only a matter of when you get the permit, not if.

The building is as of right. There are no special approvals needed. All they need is DOB to sign off on the construction documents.

They can start site preparation whenever they would like. Given that Nordstrom needs to be open in five years, and the buildout of that store will take some time following construction completion, they will likely get going soon.

This will be underway shortly. I only wish Extell would get webcams installed like 432 Park so we could savor every minute, from excavation to construction. It wouldn't hurt to have some idea of the design either.

Oh! I see guys...
And why is the delay regarding the approval so imminent yet?
Any idea on when we first hear of the approval?

Again, there is no "approval". This is as-of-right. If you're talking about DOB sign-off, that's a bureaucratic procedure.

You can watch the thread for updates.

No demolition yet. Pics from yesterday.

225 West 57th Street January 2013 Construction Update

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How many buildings actually needed demolition?

2 buildings needs to be demolished for this project, one is already gone, the one left is the one with the netting.
As far as the last building being demolished, the "Morton Supermaket" vacated a little over a month ago. I'm no expert but from what i've seen from most building being demolished, they start by ripping apart the interior before tearing out the exterior; that could explain the lack of visible work on that building... just speculating here.

Holy shit!!!
Just 2 buildings? I was assuming some 4 buildings gonna get demolished.
So this time again one more skinny building (like 432 Park) or it is gonna enclose at least the footprint area of One WTC???

Try reading up on the thread a bit. If you're gonna post, its the least you can do. And there have already been a couple of buildings demolished.

1780 Broadway and 117 west 57th street are either demolished or will get demolished one day, i'm sure about that. What are the other buildings that will get torn down or are already torn down?
Can you please name them?
If more than 2 buildings is it gonna enclose footprint area at least equivalent to One WTC???
Please let me know generously...

Form the very first page:
1780 Broadway has been landmarked and isn't going anywhere.

It's a large footprint. The lower floors of the tower will be for the large Nordstrom.

Some older shots of the block from google earth...

(outline minus the Broadway portion)

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And here is the breakdown of the floors as per the last permit...

Barnett should buy those kind of puny low level buildings next door to his space. Then he could build the mega tower, on top of the mega Nordstrom. Although I suppose that wouldn't be in keeping with the 'Neo-Skyscraper' theme of tall and skinny.

Barnett has already purchased the air rights of his neighbors, including from the landmarked lowrise next door...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=537

Ah got it! So does that mean they'll build right over that building or incorporate it into the base design?

Hey, I hear that its footprint's coming around to be 40000 square feet in area and that is almost exactly equal to One WTC's.
So it's coming impressive and really big unlike 432 P.A

The base may be big, but you won't see a tower like the ICC Hong Kong here. As the tower rises it will taper, that's for sure.

Really? But there's a new rendition yet to make a splash.
I really wish something like ICC tower here for NYC gonna have many skyscrapers with tapering top.

Why would they incorporate it into the design?


The ICC is not a residential tower. Stop useless worrying about what gets built elsewhere and wait like the rest of us for a rendering.

Generally, in NYC, you can't build on top of a Landmarked building.

Well if they bought the air rights over the space couldn't they build on top of it. My point in saying before was that Extell could have bought that lot to expand the tower's footprint.

Air rights can be transferred to adjacent properties. All air rights do is allow the developer to build additional FAR on their own property, not on top the Landmarked property.

Okay, my whole point was that it would be great if Extell had the lot next door because this tower could be much larger. Apparently having air rights and the entire building are two different concepts.

It is a landmark, I'm not sure if you know what that means. But in either case, expanding the footprint means very little if the goal is to put apartments up higher into the sky. And Extell has assembled the air rights to do just that. The lot is t-shaped, with a spur extending to Broadway. The Broadway facade will remain, but that site will be assimilated into the tower as well.


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Of course I know what a landmark building is, but how would I know its that from a google earth view?

If luck swung around and Mr. Barnett just happened to read our article he could wind up to fulfilling our wish, so you never know if there's a chance for something like that to get built if it should really outstand.
NY guy!!! Since you've grabbed a whole lot of info and as a experienced guy unlike (probably) most of us here, could you assure me it won't halt its construction or even cancel like Chicago Spire did in Chicago that went by the by too far and suddenly silent.

NYCRules, maybe follow the thread first, and take it all in. Your answers are almost all available in this thread.

The Chicago Spire was sort of a pipe dream to begin with. The developer went along with it but financing was never fully established.

This tower is probably a little different. For one, NY's demand for high end condo's is crazy. That means that this tower is actually practical. Plus, you have Nordstrom already lined up for space.

The Chicago Spire was to be built without any demand needed for such a tower. Two different scenarios.