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Riise Jan 7, 2016 8:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 7291356)
Unfortunately that is true. It was much better before when prices did not include taxes and fees - it gave you a much better picture of how much you were getting bent over by the government, airports, etc.

I think most people are interested in what they will have to pay at the point of sale and would rather be provided with that information. The various fees and taxes are details and could be sought after in a detailed invoice.

DrNest Jan 8, 2016 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Riise (Post 7291429)
I think most people are interested in what they will have to pay at the point of sale and would rather be provided with that information. The various fees and taxes are details and could be sought after in a detailed invoice.

I totally agree. I want to know the price I am going to pay. I can look through the taxes on the receipt if I need to know how much is going to the government.

casper Jan 8, 2016 2:27 AM

[QUOTE=lubicon;7291356]
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Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7290444)
What impresses me is that their prices actually include all taxes and fees.

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Unfortunately that is true. It was much better before when prices did not include taxes and fees - it gave you a much better picture of how much you were getting bent over by the government, airports, etc.

I think the problem with the old system was many of the taxes were not taxes. fuel charges are not taxes. Airport fees are not taxes.

DrNest Jan 9, 2016 4:25 AM

The refugee flights are bringing more rarely seen foreign tails into CYYZ. We had a Royal Jordanian A332 and a Hi Fly A333 come in today.

craneSpotter Jan 9, 2016 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7289731)
Hopefully they'll expand in the future. I feel like secondary markets such as YQB and YQM are being left out...

The new 'Director of Airport Services' for Newleaf will be responsible for managing outstations in Ottawa (YOW), Victoria (YYJ) and US destinations - in addition to Regina/Saskatoon.

https://www.clearslide.com/view/mail...5S4JWTTCZN7TW8

So I guess if bookings are strong this winter/spring, next round of expansion should be YOW and YYJ with possibly a US destination or two from YWG, YHM and/or YLW (as those appear to be their 'hubs').

I can see YYJ-YWG.

SkydivePilot Jan 9, 2016 7:45 PM

I hope NewLeaf does well; however, it would still take a lot on their part to stop the transborder bleeding though. U.S. airports don't have nearly as many extra surcharges that Canadian airports have. Vancouver, Calgary, Regina, Winnipeg, Winsor, London, Hamilton, Toronto, Montreal are particularly affected. We'll see. :)

jmt18325 Jan 10, 2016 2:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot (Post 7293720)
I hope NewLeaf does well; however, it would still take a lot on their part to stop the transborder bleeding though.

The dollar is doing that quite nicely on its own.

nname Jan 10, 2016 2:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot (Post 7293720)
U.S. airports don't have nearly as many extra surcharges that Canadian airports have.

Really? You probably never look at the fare detail very closely then.

This is the fare breakdown for an one-way YVR-LAX trip with AC:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2edxpp3.jpg

So in short, what each party gets:

$57.00 Air Canada
$20.00 Vancouver Airport
$16.56 Canadian Government
$48.31 US Government

The US government charge almost as much as Air Canada that actually does all the work to take you there! I always wonder who actually makes more profit for the trip - the airline, airport, or the government... So the reason why trans-boarder flights are so expensive is that we have to pay tax to both governments AND the fact that the US government charge us more.

Do you know, if you are a US resident and book the exact same flight from the same airline and same website, the flight will come out to be about $16 cheaper because US government only tax them $32.50 instead of $48?

Yeah, so much about the lie that travel to US is so expensive from Canada because the Canadian government tax too much....

eemy Jan 10, 2016 3:26 AM

What are the fees on the reverse flight, though? I imagine that a lot of those US gov't fees only apply when entering the country and that there would be equivalent fees for Canada customs and immigration.

nname Jan 10, 2016 5:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak (Post 7294077)
What are the fees on the reverse flight, though? I imagine that a lot of those US gov't fees only apply when entering the country and that there would be equivalent fees for Canada customs and immigration.

One-way trip LAX-YVR as a Canadian resident:

http://oi66.tinypic.com/rwtape.jpg

$80.00 Air Canada
$6.35 Los Angeles Airport
$33.00 US Government

Again, if the flight is booked for a US resident, they pay $13 to the government instead of $33. Canadian side did not even take a penny from it.

jmt18325 Jan 10, 2016 5:51 AM

The problem on the Canadian side are the built in costs to airports in terms of federal rent. If that were to disappear, I wouldn't have a complaint.

SkydivePilot Jan 10, 2016 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 7294047)
Really? You probably never look at the fare detail very closely then.

This is the fare breakdown for an one-way YVR-LAX trip with AC:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2edxpp3.jpg

So in short, what each party gets:

$57.00 Air Canada
$20.00 Vancouver Airport
$16.56 Canadian Government
$48.31 US Government

The US government charge almost as much as Air Canada that actually does all the work to take you there! I always wonder who actually makes more profit for the trip - the airline, airport, or the government... So the reason why trans-boarder flights are so expensive is that we have to pay tax to both governments AND the fact that the US government charge us more.

Do you know, if you are a US resident and book the exact same flight from the same airline and same website, the flight will come out to be about $16 cheaper because US government only tax them $32.50 instead of $48?

Yeah, so much about the lie that travel to US is so expensive from Canada because the Canadian government tax too much....

Well, in recent years, Bellingham, WA has been quite busy for a number of years serving the Lower Mainland. Besides that, unlike Vancouver, Regina has shit all these days to U.S. destinations (with higher fares) and has significant passenger bleeding to Minot ND. (Allegiant)

Denscity Jan 10, 2016 3:09 PM

Bellinghams airport has been tanking lately for pax.

jmt18325 Jan 10, 2016 5:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot (Post 7294301)
Well, in recent years, Bellingham, WA has been quite busy for a number of years serving the Lower Mainland.

If you don't fly in, you don't pay a lot of those taxes.

Coldrsx Jan 13, 2016 2:19 PM

Bombardier’s C Series jet an ‘orphan,’ Airbus says

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle28133795/

thenoflyzone Jan 13, 2016 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 7297541)
Bombardier’s C Series jet an ‘orphan,’ Airbus says

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle28133795/

Bunch of bull...After all, it's not like Leahy is going to praise the CSeries at their annual press conference.

"His description of the C Series as an “orphan,” he said, referred to its small-family status; so far, it will come in only two versions – the CS100 and the larger CS300 – that will seat about 100 to 150 passengers. “It’s a one-off, it’s not a real family,” he said. “With Boeing or Airbus, you get different variants. You get the Airbus 318, 319, 320, 321 and you get a product support network around the world."


yeah, because the A318 and A319neo are selling like hot cakes....As far as I am concerned, the A318 is and always was dead, and so is the A319, with only 50 orders for the A319neo. Wouldn't be surprised if they cancel the A319neo and convert all the orders to the A320neo.

The CSeries has 2 variants, and as far as I'm concerned, so does the A320 !

Furthermore, the fact that Airbus and Bombardier met to discuss a potential (full or partial) buy-out of the CSeries clearly demonstrates the threat the CSeries represents to Airbus. There is no denying that fact.

Bigtime Jan 13, 2016 4:55 PM

I'm really hoping since the CSeries is truly a new plane (versus the 737MAX and A320NEO) it will deliver some impressive performance numbers when it enters service and that leads to more orders from other operators.

Oh and LOL at Leahy even mentioning the A318, even Boeing smartened up and ditched the 736.

casper Jan 13, 2016 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7297682)
Bunch of bull...After all, it's not like Leahy is going to praise the CSeries at their annual press conference.

"His description of the C Series as an “orphan,” he said, referred to its small-family status; so far, it will come in only two versions – the CS100 and the larger CS300 – that will seat about 100 to 150 passengers. “It’s a one-off, it’s not a real family,” he said. “With Boeing or Airbus, you get different variants. You get the Airbus 318, 319, 320, 321 and you get a product support network around the world."


yeah, because the A318 and A319neo are selling like hot cakes....As far as I am concerned, the A318 is and always was dead, and so is the A319, with only 50 orders for the A319neo. Wouldn't be surprised if they cancel the A319neo and convert all the orders to the A320neo.

The CSeries has 2 variants, and as far as I'm concerned, so does the A320 !

Furthermore, the fact that Airbus and Bombardier met to discuss a potential (full or partial) buy-out of the CSeries clearly demonstrates the threat the CSeries represents to Airbus. There is no denying that fact.

The new 737 family coming out has two models that airlines buy. The new 700 is not selling. The 600 is not even being contemplated going forward.

On the Airbus side, it is the same thing the 320 and 321 are ones airlines are buying. The smaller jets can be offered but it airlines are not interested what is the point.

So basically CSeries, Boeing and Airbus has families with only two effective models.

casper Jan 13, 2016 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot (Post 7294301)
Well, in recent years, Bellingham, WA has been quite busy for a number of years serving the Lower Mainland. Besides that, unlike Vancouver, Regina has shit all these days to U.S. destinations (with higher fares) and has significant passenger bleeding to Minot ND. (Allegiant)

Only one major airline (Alaska) serves the airport. Mostly connections to Seattle (their hub) and flights to Hawaii or Las Vegas. Destinations that have the rock bottom pricing out of YVR.

Klazu Jan 13, 2016 11:52 PM

Is someone seriously still finding it cheaper to fly out of US airports with CAD at 0.69 USD? Must be quite a deal to justify the trip down there...


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