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I disagree about that. I'm not a fan of this design, particularly with the cantilever. Keep in mind what Yimby has shown is a "depiction" drawn up by Otie. The overall scheme of the tower over the store has been somewhat consistent. http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152984358/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154402379/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/153243890/original.jpg In the form Yimby presented, the cantilver is played back a bit towards the top. http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...3D%20Views.jpg When the renderings are released, we will get a better sense of the overall design with Nordstrom. I hope the base design is more unified with the tower, and the glass really stands out. At this point, its as much as we can hope for. But I'm ready for this to get built. And to think, this will be rising along with 111 W. 57th, the Tower Verre, 30 Hudson, even 220 CPS, all towers I am ready to watch rise into the New York sky. Whatever this one lacks, those will certainly make up for. |
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As mentioned by some I hope the cladding will make this tower look better, but the design is what it is, still a nice addition to the skyline, tho a disappointing one. |
Why the need for the spire? This building will be tall enough without it. And it certainly doesn't add anything aesthetically to the building's overall look. There's enough going on down below without needing a pencil stuck in the top.
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A *Siamese spire* doesn't add anything? IIRC No other supertall in this country that's been built or proposed within the past decade has this kind of element. It's a novelty to me, and speaking for myself, I really like this departure from the norm in pinnacle design. And not to personalize this in a negative way; but re this "tall enough" straw man talking point: Why does there seem to exist this latent envy-based mindset that NYC can't build above that certain elusive supertall benchmark height, but if another city of relatively equal prominence could do the same, it would and should...even if for various reasons it can't? Don't get me wrong...I like to see cities like Chicago and Toronto submit genuine projects and have their merits duly debated (PS: I'd also like to see cities like Dallas, Houston, LA, Philly, Miami etc do a lot more of the same). But when politics, zoning issues, NIMBY/civic wet-blanketism and FAA red tape get in the way, it seems that all the righteous (my emphasis) indignation engendered thereby gets projected towards The Apple. IMO it's as if to suggest that "If we can't build above a certain height, why should NYC?" I'm at a loss as to why that seems the case to me. |
^ Well Philly is already pushing into their first supertall, same with SF. LA is being LA. But I do agree.
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In my opinion almost all spires are ugly. Yes there are obvious exceptions, but this reminds me of the spire on BoA tower, which, in my opinion, completely ruins the aesthetics of what otherwise would be a great looking tower. Coming from Toronto, I have no envy of what is being proposed height-wise in NYC, and don't subscribe to the indignation you suggest. Toronto's councillor's seem to have a rule that a building can only be approved if 20% of the proposed height is reduced. That I find frustrating, but am seeing with recent new builds and proposals, that the height limit is being pushed higher and higher. And don't doubt that it won't be too long before there is a serious proposal for a tower in the 1400-1700' range in Toronto. Anyways, this is digressing for the subject of the thread, and I don't wish to continue off-topic. We're all entitled to our opinions and tastes, mine appear to be different to yours. |
Its possible that the renders and info from Yimby were leaked on purpose by Related so that Barnett could get a feel for reaction to the redesign. It is interesting that there has been no comment from Related or Gary Barnett since the leaked info became public. Maybe he wants some room to tweak the design further based on public reaction... i.e. roof height and spire...
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If the renders were final and released against Barnett's directions, the person who leaked them would be aware that he needs to spend this nice weekend on updating his resume. |
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That's nothing, Kingdom Tower in Jeddah will set a new record where the top 37% is unhabitable. So 1007m*0.37=372.6m, meaning that the spire itself will be a supertall lol. |
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Spires are here, and they're here to stay. And they count in the height, no use discussing it here. Most of the world's tallest buildings now include a spire of some sort. And since we are specifically talking about a tower that is going up in New York, the classic skyline of spires, I would say the tallest towers in Manhattan need a spire. Quote:
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I was thinking earlier that if this building does indeed reach 1,775 ft, there would be the "official" difference in height with the Freedom Tower of 1 ft. Likewise, if 111 W. 57 rises to a reported height of 1,397 ft, it would be 1 ft higher than 432 Park Avenue. There could be some flux with all of those numbers, so we'll just have to wait and see. |
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i hate when people criticize a engineering marvel like this,think,a 1480ft building with a cantilever,cmon i know it looks bad but look at some design features it has ,it impressive to say the least.
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I agree, it's impressive in a lot of ways.
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Related has nothing to do with this project, no one in Gary Barnett's office has heard of SSP or NY YIMBY or the .001% of people who are skyscraper geeks, and, no there isn't some grand conspiracy to have skyscraper geeks do a covert "design by committee". Sometimes I wonder if SSP posters are just engaging in farce or something. Skyscraper height is not a big thing outside of the extremely narrow world of skyscraper geek-dom. I guarantee the developers have spent 1000x more effort on dealing with things like Nordstrom's interior layout, than relatively unimportant things like the building height. |
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