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k1052 Jan 27, 2022 7:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnk (Post 9516106)
BTW how many Air control Towers will O'Hare have? I've never seen so many at a singular airport or perhaps I wasn't paying attention.

The small towers you see attached to the terminals are to manage the ramp area AFAIK.

Steely Dan Jan 27, 2022 7:46 PM

^ yeah, i think ORD has just the 3 main towers for actual ATC work - the north tower, the main tower, and the south tower.

someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think the old ATC tower in front of the hilton is used for anything anymore.

jonesrmj Jan 27, 2022 9:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnk (Post 9516106)
Those images show Airbus A 380's. They stopped production on them, not sure O'Hare would see many. Only like 250 were ever built...

British Airways is bringing the Airbus A380 to O'Hare daily starting June 1, 2022.

Emirates could very well bring the A380 to O'Hare as well depending on demand and now that there will be 2 A380 gates, both British Airways and Emirates could theoretically operate daily A380 service to ORD. Emirates has expressed interest in the past to bring the A380 to ORD and did for a one-off back in 2016.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnk (Post 9516106)
...and half of all the jets are with Emirates which does not fly into Chicago too often mainly to and from Dubai.

I don't know what you are talking about here. Emirates operates a daily flight to ORD from DXB and ORD was the first US airport to reach it's pre-pandemic schedule from Emirates. The only US airports with more service from Emirates are LAX (also daily but sees the A380 vs the 777), and JFK which has 2x daily A380 service (plus the freedom routes). I think ORD-DXB is also Emirates 3rd most occupied US route behind only LAX-DXB and JFK-DXB

twister244 Jan 27, 2022 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesrmj (Post 9515873)
HOK just added some new renderings of the Terminal 5 Expansion Project at O'Hare to the gallery on their website (Some of these are familiar while others are new). What do you think?

https://304ljw4amcep3ali496xph6b-wpe...-1536x1027.jpg

Just to clarify, there isn't any planned work on the existing portion of Terminal 5, correct? I am assuming all of the interior renderings presented in your post are from the new addition wrapping up, but this rendering shows more glass on the existing portion than what is there now.

F1 Tommy Jan 27, 2022 11:04 PM

Bnk is talking about the A380. He would have to go to LAX or JFK in the USA pre pandemic to see many A380's. The biggest problem with the A380 always was it's hard to fill, and they have no cargo version. Dead in the water, and many Europeans thought that even before they built it.

F1 Tommy Jan 27, 2022 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twister244 (Post 9516810)
Just to clarify, there isn't any planned work on the existing portion of Terminal 5, correct? I am assuming all of the interior renderings presented in your post are from the new addition wrapping up, but this rendering shows more glass on the existing portion than what is there now.


They did alot of work on the old section of T5. Look at the photo you posted.

twister244 Jan 27, 2022 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1 Tommy (Post 9516821)
They did alot of work on the old section of T5. Look at the photo you posted.

I guess it's the rendering then. I didn't pay much attention the last time I was in T5, but I don't remember that massive glass exposure to the Southwest in the main wing of T5. Also, the structure of the building there doesn't match what's currently in existence. Hence my confusion.....

twister244 Jan 28, 2022 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twister244 (Post 9516810)
Just to clarify, there isn't any planned work on the existing portion of Terminal 5, correct? I am assuming all of the interior renderings presented in your post are from the new addition wrapping up, but this rendering shows more glass on the existing portion than what is there now.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/155580150@N05/71pjx8
This is why I was asking if there's work being done on the main existing wing of T5 - That glass box portion sticking out doesn't currently exist, or is Google out of date here?......

F1 Tommy Jan 28, 2022 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twister244 (Post 9516884)
https://www.flickr.com/gp/155580150@N05/71pjx8
This is why I was asking if there's work being done on the main existing wing of T5 - That glass box portion sticking out doesn't currently exist, or is Google out of date here?......


The new section is still under construction and is not shown in the google photo. Yes it will look like the rendering, and most of the structure is up.

twister244 Jan 28, 2022 1:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1 Tommy (Post 9516900)
The new section is still under construction and is not shown in the google photo. Yes it will look like the rendering, and most of the structure is up.

You know what, I didn't even realize they were doing any work on the interior of the existing structure.

Per https://urbanize.city/chicago/post/o...ruction-photos

"The wedge-shaped addition will span 350,000 square feet and provide 10 new gates to increase the terminal's gate capacity by 25 percent. A further 750,000 square feet within the existing structure is also being remodeled to accommodate expanded security checkpoints, reconfigured immigration and customs, improved baggage handling systems, and space for airline lounges, concessions, and other passenger amenities."

That's pretty awesome actually. All this time I had just assumed the only work was the addition.

jonesrmj Jan 28, 2022 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twister244 (Post 9516810)
Just to clarify, there isn't any planned work on the existing portion of Terminal 5, correct? I am assuming all of the interior renderings presented in your post are from the new addition wrapping up, but this rendering shows more glass on the existing portion than what is there now.

These interior shots are of the expansion (hence the higher gate numbers that don't exist yet):

https://304ljw4amcep3ali496xph6b-wpe...-1536x1027.jpg

https://304ljw4amcep3ali496xph6b-wpe...-1536x1027.jpg

This interior shot is of that new addition to the existing portion of the terminal (hence the roof design):

https://304ljw4amcep3ali496xph6b-wpe...-1536x1027.jpg

twister244 Jan 28, 2022 4:17 PM

Thanks for clarifying! That will do wonders for the existing portion of Terminal 5. I just got more excited to see how the final product looks!

MAC123 Feb 2, 2022 3:24 PM

B1M posted a video about the reno of O'Hare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pnea6PrMmI

https://www.theb1m.com/video/chicago...d-construction

Inside Chicago's $8.5BN Airport Rebuild

"CHICAGO O'HARE was once the world’s busiest airport. It held that title for three decades and became one of the great American infrastructure projects of the early Jet Age.

But in recent years it’s hit a bit of turbulence. Though it still attracts more than 80 million passengers in a normal year, most of those people probably don’t have this down as their favourite place to fly from.

Delays, congestion and a lack of amenities are common complaints and since the late 1990s the place has begun to feel more than a bit … tired.

But that’s all about to change as O’Hare embarks on a multi-billion-dollar transformation, a megaproject that’ll give this aviation landmark a much-needed lift."


By Adam Savage (lol)
02 February 2022

jonesrmj Feb 2, 2022 6:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 9522433)
B1M posted a video about the reno of O'Hare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pnea6PrMmI

https://www.theb1m.com/video/chicago...d-construction

Inside Chicago's $8.5BN Airport Rebuild

I like these types of videos!

I also made a similar type of video on the expansion project just over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW7O8zDGC7U

Nice to see coverage on this.

rivernorthlurker Feb 2, 2022 10:36 PM

Christmas in February! The B1M did an episode on ORD21!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pnea6PrMmI

left of center Feb 3, 2022 12:06 AM

B1M makes quality videos. Definitely enjoyed this one.

rivernorthlurker Feb 3, 2022 9:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9523103)
Christmas in February! The B1M did an episode on ORD21!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pnea6PrMmI

Edit: Uf, didn't see @MAC123 beat me to it with the B1M link. Oh well the more the merrier.

No new information in it but nice to see the Chicago expansion is getting some attention. That's the idea - let people know that Chicago is a modern city. Hopefully this will continue to brand Chicago well and attract more interest for the next decade as all the phases are rolled out.

F1 Tommy Feb 12, 2022 4:39 PM

ORD back up for Air New Zealand still in late September 2022 fingers crossed.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/lifesty...-hawaii-seoul/

SIGSEGV Feb 12, 2022 6:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1 Tommy (Post 9534477)
ORD back up for Air New Zealand still in late September 2022 fingers crossed.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/lifesty...-hawaii-seoul/

I was on this flight in Jan 2020 on my way back from Antarctica and it was pretty busy (and not just with USAP people, though I feel bad for the random guy in the center seat between me and another USAP participant...). Anyway it's crucial for maintaining 6-continent status until we get the Brisbane flight (if that's happening...).

bnk Feb 13, 2022 3:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1 Tommy (Post 9534477)
ORD back up for Air New Zealand still in late September 2022 fingers crossed.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/lifesty...-hawaii-seoul/

Thats a long flight. I was wondering how long it would be.

This link says just over 16 hours. Which according to what is said below would be the longest NZ non stop fight to the USA.


https://www.moatrek.com/blog/how-lon...ew-zealand-usa

F1 Tommy Feb 15, 2022 10:17 PM

Alot of news for ORD this week. Eastern will contract it's 777F to run Asia routes for Flexport. Also Swoop will start Canadian service in late May to ORD. This adds to the new service to Canada by Flair airlines.

Also ORD came in second for 2021 aircraft movements after ATL. ORD did lead after May 2021 but had lower movements Jan-Apr and could not make up the numbers.


https://worldairlinenews.com/2022/02...-for-flexport/

https://worldairlinenews.com/2022/02...and-nashville/

Kngkyle Feb 18, 2022 4:42 AM

Saudia to launch service to Chicago from either Riyadh or Jeddah (not specified) sometime in 2022. An interesting addition.

Tom In Chicago Feb 18, 2022 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kngkyle (Post 9541082)
Saudia to launch service to Chicago from either Riyadh or Jeddah (not specified) sometime in 2022. An interesting addition.

This is interesting. . . I was just talking with a friend of mine last night who is looking at getting a 3 month visa to SA so he can do his Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca and visit with friends/family that live there. . . I wonder if SA has been opening up more to outside tourism as I would find it a tough sell that they have that many pilgrimage or business passengers (thinking Houston would be the more logical destination) to support such a route. . .

. . .

nomarandlee Feb 18, 2022 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom In Chicago (Post 9541335)
This is interesting. . . I was just talking with a friend of mine last night who is looking at getting a 3 month visa to SA so he can do his Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca and visit with friends/family that live there. . . I wonder if SA has been opening up more to outside tourism as I would find it a tough sell that they have that many pilgrimage or business passengers (thinking Houston would be the more logical destination) to support such a route. . .

. . .

I know that is the definite goal of the Saudi government. I can't imagine to many Americans rushing to KSA. There are enough Muslims around Chicago probably that would utilize it for pilgrimage trips or use it as an alternative to the other Gulf airlines for MENA/Africa/South Asia.

F1 Tommy Feb 18, 2022 4:46 PM

This could be part of the planned growth by the government to grow Saudia into another Emirates style airline. They already have run cargo flights to ORD and ran a passenger flight schedule back in 2020 for several months.

F1 Tommy Feb 18, 2022 4:59 PM

Air India is running the Hyderabad (HYD) flights again with 777-200 equipment to ORD.

Chicagoguy Mar 8, 2022 6:15 PM

New airline Avelo is launching service to MDW from New Haven

“Avelo's in expansion mode again, with Baltimore, Chicago Midway, and Raleigh Durham all to launch at the end of May. When writing ahead of the official announcement, the exact timings aren't known. However, one-way base fares (including only a small personal item) are available to Baltimore from $49, Raleigh Durham from $59, and Chicago from $69. The details:

Baltimore: starts May 26th, 5x weekly (Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, and Sundays)

Chicago Midway: begins May 26th, 5x weekly (Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, and Sundays)

Raleigh Durham: starts May 26th, 5x weekly (Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, and Sundays)”

https://simpleflying.com/avelo-expan...tes-new-haven/

Steely Dan Mar 8, 2022 7:02 PM

^ MDW has been on a mini-run of picking up new airlines, first allegiant, then frontier coming back, now this (new to me) carrier Avelo out of new haven.


the little airport that could.

F1 Tommy Mar 18, 2022 7:13 PM

New caribbean airline plans service to Chicago (O'hare) later this year:

https://worldairlinenews.com/2022/03...the-caribbean/

Chicagoguy Apr 5, 2022 8:30 PM

Is Qantas Planning A Brisbane-Chicago Re-Launch?

“Despite no word from Qantas, the CEO of Brisbane Airport recently hinted the delayed Brisbane - Chicago flights may finally start later this year.“

https://simpleflying.com/qantas-plan...ago-re-launch/

Chicagoguy Apr 6, 2022 12:16 PM

Aer Lingus Adds Back Service to Three More US Cities

“ The airline is also increasing frequencies on existing routes from Dublin to both Chicago O’Hare and Washington Dulles.

Aer Lingus will also start a second daily flight between DUB and Washington Dulles (IAD) from June 9, marking the first time Aer Lingus has operated 2X-daily service to IAD. Chicago O’Hare (ORD) will see a second frequency, to be operated 5X-weekly, to complement current daily service on the route from DUB.”

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...ore-us-cities/

jonesrmj Apr 11, 2022 7:15 PM

Busiest Airports In The World By Passenger Traffic 2021
 
The rankings for busiest airports in the world for 2021 just came out. Chicago O'Hare came in 4th for passenger traffic. Also, US airports dominated the rankings this year.

Busiest Airports In The World 2021 (By Passenger Traffic):
1.) Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport (USA) - 75,537,213 passengers
2.) Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (USA) - 62,465,756 passengers
3.) Denver International Airport (USA) - 58,828,552 passengers
4.) Chicago O'Hare International Airport (USA) - 54,020,399 passengers
5.) Los Angeles International Airport (USA) - 48,007,284 passengers
6.) Charlotte Douglas International Airport (USA) - 43,302,230 passengers
7.) Orlando International Airport (USA) - 40,351,068 passengers
8.) Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport (China) - 40,249,679 passengers
9.) Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (China) - 40,117,496 passengers
10.) Harry Reid International Airport (USA) - 39,710,493 passengers
11.) Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport (USA) - 38,846,713 passengers
12.) Miami International Airport (USA) - 37,302,456 passengers
13.) Istanbul Airport (Turkey) - 36,988,563 passengers
14.) Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport (China) - 36,358,185 passengers
15.) Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (USA) - 36,154,015 passengers
16.) Mexico City International Airport (Mexico) - 36,056,614 passengers
17.) Chongqing Jiangbei International Airport (China) - 35,766,284 passengers
18.) George Bush Intercontinental Airport (USA) - 33,677,118 passengers
19.) Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport (China) - 33,207,337 passengers
20.) Beijing Capital International Airport (China) - 32,639,013 passengers

For comparison, here was the list from 2020:
Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesrmj (Post 9274488)
Busiest Airports In The World 2020 (By Passenger Traffic):
1.) Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport (China) - 43,760,427 passengers
2.) Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport (USA) - 42,918,685 passengers
3.) Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (China) - 40,741,509 passengers
4.) Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (USA) - 39,364,990 passengers
5.) Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport (China) - 37,916,059 passengers
6.) Chongqing Jiangbei International Airport (China) - 34,937,789 passengers
7.) Beijing Capital International Airport (China) - 34,513,827 passengers
8.) Denver International Airport (USA) - 33,741,129 passengers
9.) Kunming Changshui International Airport (China) - 32,989,127 passengers
10.) Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport (China) - 31,165,641 passengers
11.) Xi'an Xianyang International Airport (China) - 31,073,884 passengers
12.) Tokyo Haneda Airport (Japan) - 30,965,000 passengers
13.) Chicago O'Hare International Airport (USA) - 30,860,251 passengers
14.) Shanghai Pudong International Airport (China) - 30,476,531 passengers
15.) Los Angeles International Airport (USA) - 28,779,527 passengers
16.) Indira Gandhi International Airport (India) - 28,501,000 passengers
17.) Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport (China) - 28,224,342 passengers
18.) Charlotte Douglas International Airport (USA) - 27,200,000 passengers
19.) Dubai International Airport (UAE) - 25,900,000 passengers
20.) Istanbul Airport (Turkey) - 23,409,000 passengers

Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...senger_traffic

OrdoSeclorum Apr 11, 2022 8:03 PM

For reference, ATL was #1 in 2019 with 110,531,300 and O'hare was #6 at 84,372,618.

#50 in 2019 was Narita with 44,340,847, which would have been good enough for #6 this year. Still a very different environment that we're in.

left of center Apr 12, 2022 1:23 AM

We got a lot of climbing to do to get back to #1, lol. Honestly, may not be achievable anymore, and we really haven't been competitive with Atlanta in terms of passenger numbers for many years. Hopefully as the Modernization Plan reaches completion, we can at least get back to a solid #2 spot.

thegoatman Apr 12, 2022 1:25 AM

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Originally Posted by left of center (Post 9595917)
We got a lot of climbing to do to get back to #1, lol. Honestly, may not be achievable anymore, and we really haven't been competitive with Atlanta in terms of passenger numbers for many years. Hopefully as the Modernization Plan reaches completion, we can at least get back to a solid #2 spot.

Well O'Hare has to split flights with Midway. Atlanta has one single big airport.

Steely Dan Apr 12, 2022 1:52 AM

^ even with MDW's numbers, Chicago still trails the mighty ATL.

MAC123 Apr 12, 2022 1:54 AM

Why is Atlanta's Airport bigger than LA's? I know the NYC metro has like 4 airports to spread them out but I don't know about LA

nomarandlee Apr 12, 2022 2:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 9595947)
Why is Atlanta's Airport bigger than LA's? I know the NYC metro has like 4 airports to spread them out but I don't know about LA

Because Delta uses Atlanta as its only real mega-midcontinental hub. Detroit/Minneapolis play ancillary roles but nothing compared to the division that true mega-hubs in Dallas/Chicago divide work for American Airlines or that Denver/Chicago do for United.

Mega-airports like LAX, NYC, SFO, Miami, etc. will always be huge, especially for connecting international traffic but they will never be used primarily as spoke hubs to connect the nation's interior the same way mid-continent hubs are.

galleyfox Apr 12, 2022 4:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegoatman (Post 9595923)
Well O'Hare has to split flights with Midway. Atlanta has one single big airport.

A lot of it is cargo and international freight. Airports have limited capacity, and O’Hare is extremely desirable for passenger, cargo and international freight.

While in the Southeast, Atlanta handles most of the regional passenger flights, and Miami handles most of the cargo and freight.

https://aci.aero/wp-content/uploads/...e-decran-5.png
https://aci.aero/2020/05/19/aci-reve...aft-movements/

Chicago29 Apr 18, 2022 2:28 PM

O'Hare Airport ‘People Mover' Passenger Trains Return to 24-Hour Service
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...rvice/2809227/

Shuttle buses will still provide 24-hour service through May 1... Does anyone know if that includes rental car shuttles for Hertz, Enterprise? The traffic chaos could be reduced even if just slightly, if the number of buses/shuttles around the terminals were reduced. And they should be with the ATS now providing direct access to the consolidated rental car intermodal facility.

NikolasM Apr 20, 2022 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC123 (Post 9595947)
Why is Atlanta's Airport bigger than LA's? I know the NYC metro has like 4 airports to spread them out but I don't know about LA

Atlanta is really well located as a cross point between Midwest/Chicago and FL and NYC to points South and West. It can funnel lots of people in different directions. Other airports that could compete are Nashville and Charlotte but their airports are not designed nearly as efficiently as Hartsfield currently is. Also a lot of this is baked in from the early days of commercial flying when airlines did many hops to a destination.

LA is more a destination airport more than a transfer airport. It gets huge numbers for what is does.

F1 Tommy Apr 21, 2022 11:56 AM

I have never figured out why the media is so focused on passenger traffic alone and never use the movement number more. Perfect example, if they shut down ATL for a week mainly regional east and southeast flights would be affected. If they shut down one of the big cargo hubs ANC, MEM or SDF you would know all over the country it happened. Cargo traffic is just important as passenger traffic, especially in 2020 and 2021.

jonesrmj Apr 22, 2022 1:30 AM

Terminal 5 Expansion Progress
 
From the ORD Twitter Page:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ5Bn1rV...pg&name=medium

Looks like good progress on the Terminal 5 Expansion from above! Can't really tell how far the facade is coming along though. Hopefully the expansion is on track to complete in the summer!

You can see some new jet bridges being added at the bottom of the image!

jonesrmj Apr 22, 2022 1:33 AM

Inside Chicago O'Hare Airport's $8.5 billion revamp
 
https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/q_...t-makeover.jpg

Inside Chicago O'Hare Airport's $8.5 billion revamp

Quote:

(CNN) — The city of Chicago has long had one of the world's busiest airport systems.

Before the Jet Age and until the late 1950s, Chicago Midway Airport, in the southwest of the city, was the world's busiest airport by passenger traffic.

Its runways, however, were too short for early jet aircraft, and in the span of just a couple of years all flights migrated to O'Hare, in the northwest, which had longer runways and newly built terminals.

The move made O'Hare take over as the world's busiest airport in 1962, a title it held for over 25 years. The high volume of passengers, however, came at a cost: the airport became notoriously congested.

Penalized by the city's unpredictable weather, the runway configuration that attracted jet aircraft didn't stand the test of time.

By the time O'Hare definitively lost the crown of world's busiest airport -- to Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson in 1998 -- it was famously overcrowded and losing ground on most performance rankings, often ranking low for customer satisfaction.

The only way forward was a radical modernization of the runway system, which began in 2005 and cost $6 billion. Work was completed in 2021, drastically reducing delays and paving the way for a complete makeover of the rest of the airport -- with an additional $8.5 billion investment -- that will transform it "from curb to gate," the city says (and maybe climb back up those rankings).
Read more - https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/c...ver/index.html

twister244 Apr 22, 2022 5:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesrmj (Post 9604957)
From the ORD Twitter Page:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ5Bn1rV...pg&name=medium

Looks like good progress on the Terminal 5 Expansion from above! Can't really tell how far the facade is coming along though. Hopefully the expansion is on track to complete in the summer!

You can see some new jet bridges being added at the bottom of the image!

Great picture! It almost looks as though new bridges are already in use from the expansion, but I'm assuming that's just planes parking there that need a space to park. Also looks like the amenity expansion in the existing portion is coming along nicely.

Chicagoguy Apr 29, 2022 1:19 PM

Frontier Airlines Kicks Off Its Chicago Midway Flights

“On Thursday, Frontier launched a swag of new routes from Chicago's Midway Airport, locking down that airport's new role as Frontier's key Chicago airport. From zero to hero, Frontier will now fly from Midway (MDW) to Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, Las Vegas, Ontario, Phoenix, Tampa, and Trenton. Later in the year, Frontier will begin flights from Midway to Philadelphia, Orlando, and Fort Lauderdale.”

https://simpleflying.com/frontier-ai...idway-flights/

F1 Tommy May 5, 2022 10:22 PM

Chicago might have a problem if the majors don't pick up flying next year. They have limited their flying at ORD shifting to cities like Denver, Charlotte, Atlanta and Dallas still this year so don't look for good numbers in 2022. We still have alot of movements due to the heavy cargo flight counts but I am surprised at the lack of passenger flights compared to 2019.

ardecila May 7, 2022 9:03 PM

Does anyone know the plan for the old Lot E? It's a huge parking lot with an existing ATS people mover station. I don't know why they would just let it sit there abandoned.

DePaul Bunyan May 7, 2022 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9619515)
Does anyone know the plan for the old Lot E? It's a huge parking lot with an existing ATS people mover station. I don't know why they would just let it sit there abandoned.

No idea but that's a prime spot for a nice shiny new hotel development. Direct access to the ATS would be a huge benefit and they really wouldn't have to lose any parking spots, they could actually add more covered spots as part of a development in conjunction with a new hotel partner and charge more. The Hilton that's connected to the terminals is really getting long in the tooth and could use some competition. It's dark, noisy, dated, and the food offerings are terrible.

k1052 May 8, 2022 1:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9619515)
Does anyone know the plan for the old Lot E? It's a huge parking lot with an existing ATS people mover station. I don't know why they would just let it sit there abandoned.

I think the bulk of the area is inside the new larger RPZs. IIRC they were originally required to demo the old ATS station once 27C was lengthened but since nothing seems to be happening on that front maybe they are waiting on an FAA decision.


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