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hollywoodcory Jan 18, 2021 4:00 PM

TC gives green light to the MAX allowing it to return to commercial service starting January 20th (Wednesday).

WS resumes service first on Thursday with three weekly flights YYC-YYZ, and AC on February 1.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...-737-max1.html

casper Jan 18, 2021 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9163453)
TC gives green light to the MAX allowing it to return to commercial service starting January 20th (Wednesday).

WS resumes service first on Thursday with three weekly flights YYC-YYZ, and AC on February 1.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...-737-max1.html

Here is a video on what going on with AC and WS to reintroduce it to service.

Video Link

hollywoodcory Jan 18, 2021 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9163453)
TC gives green light to the MAX allowing it to return to commercial service starting January 20th (Wednesday).

WS resumes service first on Thursday with three weekly flights YYC-YYZ, and AC on February 1.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...-737-max1.html

Looks like WS first commercial flight is YYC-YVR on Thursday instead of YYZ.

wave46 Jan 18, 2021 9:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9161685)
Back to that. That was the norm before AC purchased the Embraer E90 and the CRJ-705/900 aircraft. Back then the YYZ-YXE-YQR-YYZ route was usually on an A320 type aircraft.

A few of the reasons for the shift to non-stops:

1. People actually prefer the non-stop and will pay a slight premium for it.
2. You get more market share if you have more times for flight options. Bigger aircraft need more people to justifiably run, which means that you're limited to peak travel times in small markets for them.
3. The CRJ was operated by AC Express, which is cheaper labour-wise.

I can hardly think of any triangle routes these days. They really are a relic of the past. Same with fifth-freedom flights - AFAIK, Air China's Beijing-Montreal-Havana is the only one left in Canada.

mxg308 Jan 18, 2021 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 9163856)
A few of the reasons for the shift to non-stops:

1. People actually prefer the non-stop and will pay a slight premium for it.
2. You get more market share if you have more times for flight options. Bigger aircraft need more people to justifiably run, which means that you're limited to peak travel times in small markets for them.
3. The CRJ was operated by AC Express, which is cheaper labour-wise.

I can hardly think of any triangle routes these days. They really are a relic of the past. Same with fifth-freedom flights - AFAIK, Air China's Beijing-Montreal-Havana is the only one left in Canada.

The seasonal YOW-YQR-YXE-YOW triangle route would be one on the CRJ.

TheGreatestX Jan 19, 2021 12:07 AM

The COVID-19 testing program from YYC expands to YEG on Feb 1.

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/covid-19...port-1.5271682

casper Jan 19, 2021 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 9163856)
A few of the reasons for the shift to non-stops:

1. People actually prefer the non-stop and will pay a slight premium for it.
2. You get more market share if you have more times for flight options. Bigger aircraft need more people to justifiably run, which means that you're limited to peak travel times in small markets for them.
3. The CRJ was operated by AC Express, which is cheaper labour-wise.

I can hardly think of any triangle routes these days. They really are a relic of the past. Same with fifth-freedom flights - AFAIK, Air China's Beijing-Montreal-Havana is the only one left in Canada.

The weirdest (and now gone route) was Saskatoon-Regina-Chicago on United Express. They ran that for a few years, on a CRJ-700 if I remember correctly.

United had no rights to sell the Saskatoon-Regina segment on its own. You would clear customs in Saskatoon on the return.

I believe Vancouver currently I still getting the CDG-YVR-PPT several times per week on Air France and Air Tahiti Nui. The French bee flight would by ORY-YVR-PPT. Unless those have switched back to California.

whatnext Jan 19, 2021 2:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9163453)
TC gives green light to the MAX allowing it to return to commercial service starting January 20th (Wednesday).

WS resumes service first on Thursday with three weekly flights YYC-YYZ, and AC on February 1.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...-737-max1.html

:yuck::yuck::yuck:

Though it was always expected WS would buy these there was no excuse for AC choosing this piece of rubbish when they had decades of good service from the better A320 family. This was strictly a cheapo deal that lead AC to buy this outdated platform. What a shame they didn’t use Boeing’s shocking negligence as an excuse to offload it.

casper Jan 19, 2021 2:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9164107)
:yuck::yuck::yuck:

Though it was always expected WS would buy these there was no excuse for AC choosing this piece of rubbish when they had decades of good service from the better A320 family. This was strictly a cheapo deal that lead AC to buy this outdated platform. What a shame they didn’t use Boeing’s shocking negligence as an excuse to offload it.

They went halfway. The canceled orders for the aircraft that had not been built yet. They will have far few max than originally planned.

wave46 Jan 19, 2021 2:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9164115)
They went halfway. The canceled orders for the aircraft that had not been built yet. They will have far few max than originally planned.

I'm curious about how long the MAX stays in AC's fleet to be honest.

It looks like the immediate future of the narrowbody fleet is the A220, MAX 8 and A320/321. Given the cash crunch airlines are facing, big fleet changes aren't likely to happen in the near future.

The A220 makes sense as there's a fair number of routes in Canada that only need ~140 seats or less. The A321 makes sense, because it covers the 190-seat market, which I'd imagine the cancelled MAX 9 was to cover prior to the MCAS debacle.

The A320 and MAX 8 cover the 145-170 seat market. While I get the idea to hedge your bets by not betting on a single fleet type, 3 seems somewhat excessive. AC has the option to kick the can down the road, which is what it looks like to me right now.

My guess: AC waits until A320neo demand softens and can ask for better pricing in a few years. It unloads the MAX 8 to another airline that likes buying used but well-maintained planes (Southwest, maybe?). It runs the A220 and A320neo in parallel for their narrowbody fleet.

wave46 Jan 19, 2021 2:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxg308 (Post 9163972)
The seasonal YOW-YQR-YXE-YOW triangle route would be one on the CRJ.

Interesting. I thought both had direct service from YOW. Admittedly, the exception that proves the rule. I mean, I think the best parts of a flight are takeoff and landing so I don't mind up-and-down, but I like airplanes.


Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9164013)
The weirdest (and now gone route) was Saskatoon-Regina-Chicago on United Express. They ran that for a few years, on a CRJ-700 if I remember correctly.

United had no rights to sell the Saskatoon-Regina segment on its own. You would clear customs in Saskatoon on the return.

I believe Vancouver currently I still getting the CDG-YVR-PPT several times per week on Air France and Air Tahiti Nui. The French bee flight would by ORY-YVR-PPT. Unless those have switched back to California.

Oh yeah, I forgot about those. I didn't know if you could actually book on them or if they were just technical stops.

casper Jan 19, 2021 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 9164139)
Interesting. I thought both had direct service from YOW. Admittedly, the exception that proves the rule. I mean, I think the best parts of a flight are takeoff and landing so I don't mind up-and-down, but I like airplanes.




Oh yeah, I forgot about those. I didn't know if you could actually book on them or if they were just technical stops.

At first you could not. Air France recently started to see the Vancouver-Paris leg on its own.

Dominion301 Jan 19, 2021 5:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 9163856)
A few of the reasons for the shift to non-stops:

1. People actually prefer the non-stop and will pay a slight premium for it.
2. You get more market share if you have more times for flight options. Bigger aircraft need more people to justifiably run, which means that you're limited to peak travel times in small markets for them.
3. The CRJ was operated by AC Express, which is cheaper labour-wise.

I can hardly think of any triangle routes these days. They really are a relic of the past. Same with fifth-freedom flights - AFAIK, Air China's Beijing-Montreal-Havana is the only one left in Canada.

There's another 5th freedom coming soon with Eastern's (still getting used to that) planned MIA-GEO-YYZ.

hollywoodcory Jan 19, 2021 5:58 PM

Yesterday Trump announced the end of banning arrivals from UK / Europe and Brazil but it sounds like Biden will keep those restrictions and possibly implement additional ones.

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL1N2JU00C

Quote:

Psaki added that “in fact, we plan to strengthen public health measures around international travel in order to further mitigate the spread of COVID-19.” The Biden transition did not immediately respond to a request to comment on if it planned to expand the countries covered.
Additionally WS has listed the 20+ domestic route suspensions occurring in February:
https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/travel...estic-schedule

Many of their international routes are operating just once weekly with YYZ-PUJ/POP both ending February 6th.

Surprised to see YYC-HNL & LIR survive.

TheGreatestX Jan 19, 2021 8:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9164612)
Additionally WS has listed the 20+ domestic route suspensions occurring in February:
https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/travel...estic-schedule

Why does WestJet always misspell Grande Prairie?

TheGreatestX Jan 19, 2021 11:06 PM

YEG handled 2,628,891 passengers in 2020, a 67.7% decrease.

I expect this to be one of the smallest decreases out of the top 10 airports.

https://flyeia.com/corporate/media/passenger-stats/

thenoflyzone Jan 20, 2021 1:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9164812)
Why does WestJet always misspell Grande Prairie?

Maybe "Grande" is too french, and they deliberately avoid using it..;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9164983)

I expect this to be one of the smallest decreases out of the top 10 airports.

Most likely, with YYC a close second.

Dominion301 Jan 20, 2021 3:49 PM

While Central Mountain Air are suspending YKA (YKA-YXS) until April 5th, when they return to YKA, they're going to launch YKA-YVR, but only 2x weekly.

https://www.radionl.com/2021/01/19/72500/

Dominion301 Jan 20, 2021 4:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9164983)
YEG handled 2,628,891 passengers in 2020, a 67.7% decrease.

I expect this to be one of the smallest decreases out of the top 10 airports.

https://flyeia.com/corporate/media/passenger-stats/

It could be, but YYC might be slightly smaller. We'll also see whether YOW will take the cake for the biggest decline among the large airports. Here's YOW's year-end numbers:

Sector / Dec-19 / Dec-20 / % Change
Dom: 313,275 / 44,664 / -85.7%
TB: 58,636 / 0 / -100.0%
Int'l: 47,409 / 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 419,320 / 44,664 / -89.3%

Sector YTD 2019 YTD 2020 % Change
Dom: 3,993,553 / 1,032,037 / -74.2%
TB: 686,297 / 163,093 / -76.2%
Int'l: 426,637 / 168,382 / -60.5% - smallest decline even with zero int'l pax since late March.
TTL: 5,106,487 / 1,363,512 / -73.3%

Month-Over-Month Change
Sector / Nov-20 / Dec-20 / % Change
Dom: 31,742 / 44,664 / +40.7%
TB: 0 / 0 / #DIV/0!
Int'l: 0 / 0 / #DIV/0!
TTL: 31,742 / 44,664 / +40.7%

hollywoodcory Jan 20, 2021 7:13 PM

KLM is cutting its long haul flights starting Friday following new government restrictions.

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...nLEih-sgA6EhM4

This leaves Alberta with no non-stop service to Europe once again.


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