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Found a couple more renderings on Twitter: https://live.staticflickr.com/7907/3...1c1f1d76_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/7899/4...387f206d_z.jpg https://twitter.com/RealPortfolioSD |
It appears that First and Beech has undergone a design change for the better. Looks like an updated version of The Grande.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7853/4...bc6edc77_z.jpg The best part is how it brings height to an area where there currently is none. https://live.staticflickr.com/7892/4...cbdb501c_z.jpg https://dcpcsd.files.wordpress.com/2...s_03.25.19.pdf |
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Without getting everyone's hopes up, could the City, FAA and City Council really be in discussions to increase the 500ft height limit? We need answers.
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Is this reliable though? This is the first I’ve heard that any serious discussion was even happening |
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This can’t be allowed to go through, it’s a total waste of that important lot. |
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UTC is becoming a more encompassing center of high end retail with notable fine-dining restaurants and home design stores, some of which are flagship locations that are the only SD County locations. For example, Crate and Barrel left FV some time ago and they built a large flagship store at UTC. UTC has Room and Board, a large higher end home store that’s only located, usually with one location, in large metros like NYC, SF, etc. As mentioned, Design Within Reach is coming to UTC, will be the only SD showroom. Across from Room and Board is a huge high end appliance kitchen/bath remodeling store that carries brands like sub-zero. They are building an Equinox gym, the high end chain popular in LA and NY with only one other location in SD (in Solana Beach). It really seems like UTC is becoming the “it” place for modern high-end retail beyond clothes in SD. In other large cities you see these types of high end retail downtown (think Chicago’s Michigan Avenue), but I think the person who said it’s probably due to the concentration of high end jobs in the area is right. In any case, having UTC connected by the trolley will only continue to bolster the area, I think. I wish downtown would have more mid-level retail though, like an urban target and that kind of thing. Hopefully it will come in the C-street corridor. And yes, Manchester Gateway should have high end retail, but I think it’s going to be more boutique smaller scale, nothing like the major flagship stores UTC is luring |
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In any case there's a massive stakeholder missing from these reported talks, and that's the California DOT. They're the ones who actually set the 500' limit, and as a state level agency their rules override SD's local regulations. In addition, the FAA lacks any enforcement powers off-airport so there's nothing at the federal level to override them. Without the CA DOT or at least some leaders from the CA state government all this will amount to is SD asking polity if they can have the height limit removed, which they already have several times in the past and been denied. Quote:
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I remember pre-great recession there was a plan to build a 400'+ tower on the site. Maybe that entailed digging up the parking garage though, in which case this shortened height makes some sense. Looking from the video it seems the only major change in the design was the deletion of the top two stories of spire for a restaurant/pool. Still think we've be better off digging up the whole site and starting fresh. |
Oh man... a downtown Urban Target would be absolutely wonderful! I can't count how many times I've had to run up to SP to pick up something from there...
East Village, HP or C Street would all be great locations (as long as it didn't cannibalize the DT Ace Hardware)! |
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Holland Development group are proposing a 467 foot Mixed Use highrise along one of the lots where the old courthouse used to be. I honestly kind of like the design
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I haven't heard anything about downtown's height limit being raised at all. I think there may be some miscommunication going around. And Will O' Wisp, thank you for the information on actual rules and regs for the height limit. I've shared with some friends who may actually be able to do something about this... |
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