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iheartphilly Oct 8, 2020 2:21 PM
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to some extent the Fed Fund Rate, but more accurately the prime rate.

summersm343 Oct 13, 2020 1:52 PM
Gloria Casarez mural is irreplaceable and must be saved | Opinion

Read more here:
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/com...-20201012.html

summersm343 Oct 13, 2020 1:58 PM
Sounds like a NIMBY battle brewing for this one unfortunately. I mean, I get it, it's a beautiful mural, but this is my #1 gripe with murals. They're painted to cover up blight or a hideous building, and for the most part, are meant to be a temporary Band-Aid until the parcel, building or empty lot next door is developed. The problem then is, that once the mural is up, people kick and whine when the mural is being covered up or demolished for development and progress.

iheartphilly Oct 13, 2020 2:06 PM
^why should they have the right...it's not their bldg. it sounds like more of an ulterior motive to prevent development for whatever reasons are in their minds. They can digital scan the mural and put it on another bldg-problem solved.

PHLtoNYC Oct 13, 2020 3:49 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't sound like there is too much momentum (and money) involved in this fight. I think the develop won't have an issue moving forward with the plans. If this were Society Hill, then its a different story.

Aaamazarite Oct 14, 2020 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC (Post 9071584)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't sound like there is too much momentum (and money) involved in this fight. I think the develop won't have an issue moving forward with the plans. If this were Society Hill, then its a different story.
There is an extremely wealthy person in the neighborhood actively attempting to kill this project-- not because of the mural. I dont want to name names here but the person is a hypocrite in many ways and this is just their latest exercise of that.

DudeGuy Oct 14, 2020 3:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaamazarite (Post 9072597)
There is an extremely wealthy person in the neighborhood actively attempting to kill this project-- not because of the mural. I dont want to name names here but the person is a hypocrite in many ways and this is just their latest exercise of that.
Is this project by right? If so, what other avenues are there to jam this project up?

SEFTA Oct 14, 2020 3:34 PM
This thread is lacking images.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...38a62a08_b.jpg204 S 12th Street


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...518a443a_b.jpg204 S 12th Street 2

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...382e9475_b.jpg204 S 12th Street 3

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b11ced6e_b.jpg204 S 12th Street 4


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9c162955_b.jpgGloria Casarez mural

mcgrath618 Oct 14, 2020 4:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaamazarite (Post 9072597)
There is an extremely wealthy person in the neighborhood actively attempting to kill this project-- not because of the mural. I dont want to name names here but the person is a hypocrite in many ways and this is just their latest exercise of that.
You don’t have to give specifics, but what reason would anyone have for opposing this?

Aaamazarite Oct 14, 2020 5:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeGuy (Post 9072775)
Is this project by right? If so, what other avenues are there to jam this project up?
Anyone can appeal a permit up to 30 days after it is issued-- they have 16 days left to appeal their zoning/use permit-- hopefully they won't bother.

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You don’t have to give specifics, but what reason would anyone have for opposing this?
I'm not even certain about that. This person has brought up the lack of affordable housing, killing the gayborhood, and concerns about height/density. Personally, I think the person has a completely unrelated reason. Hopefully they were all talk-- but of all the people who have commented against it, this person has the ability ($$$) to drag it out.

DudeGuy Oct 14, 2020 7:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaamazarite (Post 9073039)
Anyone can appeal a permit up to 30 days after it is issued-- they have 16 days left to appeal their zoning/use permit-- hopefully they won't bother.



I'm not even certain about that. This person has brought up the lack of affordable housing, killing the gayborhood, and concerns about height/density. Personally, I think the person has a completely unrelated reason. Hopefully they were all talk-- but of all the people who have commented against it, this person has the ability ($$$) to drag it out.
Now I'm curious. I live in the neighborhood and haven't heard of any opposition outside of some complaining on the neighborhood FB group. I'll have to keep my ears open.

DudeGuy Oct 19, 2020 5:05 PM
This one is going to turn into a clusterfuck.

https://i.imgur.com/YidCMm9.png

https://www.facebook.com/Keep-Gloria...16422853537884

mcgrath618 Oct 19, 2020 5:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeGuy (Post 9078122)
Uh oh.

summersm343 Oct 19, 2020 5:53 PM
Sigh... sounds like a disaster in the making. Developer should head this off at the pass and commission the recreation of this mural elsewhere.

Flyers2001 Oct 19, 2020 5:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mcgrath618 (Post 9078179)
Uh oh.
Paint it some where else... Erect a statue. It's not as if your digging her body up to relocate. Of all reasons to stop a building...

Larry King Oct 19, 2020 5:54 PM
Not a big deal, gym will jump on anything that gets her press. She’s not that influential

mcgrath618 Oct 19, 2020 6:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry King (Post 9078197)
Not a big deal, gym will jump on anything that gets her press. She’s not that influential
I went to a SEPTA event with her as a speaker just before COVID...

every answer she gave was either dodging a question or was spoken from an uninformed position on public transit. I have no idea why she was even asked to speak.

PHLtoNYC Oct 19, 2020 6:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mcgrath618 (Post 9078222)
I went to a SEPTA event with her as a speaker just before COVID...

every answer she gave was either dodging a question or was spoken from an uninformed position on public transit. I have no idea why she was even asked to speak.
Gym considers herself a "progressive" (I still don't really know what that means), but I see her as an updated version of the democratic Philadelphia machine. Forget investment, jobs, growth, wealth, lowering poverty, etc. Lets put our efforts into saving a mural... :rolleyes: Truly amazing...

I still would be shocked if this project got derailed because of this.

thoughtcriminal Oct 19, 2020 7:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mcgrath618 (Post 9072943)
You don’t have to give specifics, but what reason would anyone have for opposing this?
to get paid off to go away.

Justin7 Oct 20, 2020 1:04 PM
It's incredible to me that none of you can even imagine wanting to save the building at 12th & Chancellor, or that no one is bothered by adding a new large curb cut on 12th.


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