Medinah Temple needs a new use . . .

Maybe so, but the Thompson center area would not be able to provide the affordable parking needed for a casino, I believe. Also if the Mayor is speaking of an entertainment area component, then would the Thompson center area meet that criteria?.

Do you prefer a tower located in this place (south McCormick) ...

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or in the Loop? :)

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Apparently Mercy Hospital is closing? https://www.chicagobusiness.com/heal...spital-closing

That's where the casino should go.

Interesting... the trick is convincing people to walk across the Stevenson trench. If they can do something to the bridge on Michigan (wider sidewalks, landscaping, etc) to lure people down from Motor Row than I think it could be a great site. I have my usual concerns about urban design, but I think this site could allow for something closer to the traditional casino design with plenty of on-site parking, big gaming floors and a hotel tower. Just need to arrange those elements in an urban way.

Motor Row was always tossed around as an option, but it would be very challenging to acquire enough land there and deal with historic preservation issues... Mercy is a ready-made site that is basically a blank slate. I doubt the alderman would be on board, and there are other political challenges to redeveloping these sites... Michael Reese has taken over 10 years to get off the dime, and they still haven't broken ground. I imagine the same folks who protested Lincoln Yards will also come out against a casino on this site, if they think the casino factored into the decision to close the hospital.

New Green line stop around 26th and State. Problem solved ;)

I think the Casino would lure people on its own, but landscaping on Michigan would help bring casino people to Motor Row, which would be nice. Maybe even a nice plaza with a small outdoor entertainment space might make sense, although that would be costly (as would an infill Green Line site at 26th street, which this could catalyze). I bet a casino could actually use the high-rise portion of the hospital as a hotel if it wanted too though.

Somebody needs to copy/paste this to city halls bulletin board/Lightfoots desk. It's practically gift wrapped.

I'm sure Mercy will hire a broker to market the property, if that broker doesn't shop it as a casino site then they're basically negligent.

Lightfoot doesn't seem like she's in a rush to do a casino deal while Covid is ongoing. Seems like she's more focused on getting the Obama Center done for the time being. Also, she hasn't indicated whether she will have the city select a site and then shop it to operators, or whether she will expect different operators to find their own sites.

The city is out with an RFI for casino operators now:
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/dept...formation.html

It's a good sign that they are looking to take industry feedback into account from the start... obviously the city should not roll over for the casino operator on every detail but I'm glad they are not coming out and dictating a short list of "acceptable" casino sites, etc. that could be a poison pill for operators or at least seriously handicap the potential revenue. Developing this casino will need to be collaborative between the city and the operator.

They need to hurry up and build this, would be an excellent looting spot...

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Lori and her failed administration saw it as another thing to botch and further tank the city, so don't expect much.

LOL I'm sure any casino operator will have real security like a bank and not just the low-grade rent-a-cops that other places have.

The trick will be convincing them not to design a blank wall fortress like most other urban casinos.

Chicago doesn’t need a casino. Casinos are urban and social blight.

Based on the amount of unemployed and unskilled people living in Chicago I think Chicago definitely needs a casino.

By that logic then most cities in the US need a casino.

we are well on our way....

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I wouldn’t say most but many... Yes. Look At Chicago’s poverty rate and % people without a high school diploma.

Actually, for the top 10 most populous cities in America Chicago ranks highly in terms of educational attainment. I know all about this data. The poverty rate in Chicago is also on par with that of NYC and given a margin of error from the ACS ranks around the middle (NYC, Dallas, San Antonio, and Chicago are all fairly similar).

2018, Percentage of people 25+ with less than a HS degree

1. San Diego: 13.02%
2. Chicago: 14.12%
3. Philadelphia: 14.13%
4. San Jose: 14.29%
5. Phoenix: 16.87%
6. New York City: 17.29%
7. San Antonio: 17.73%
8. Houston: 21.42%
9. Dallas: 21.54%
10. Los Angeles: 22.41%

Source: Table S1501, 2018 American Community Survey 1 year (https://data.census.gov/)


2018, Percentage of people 25+ with Bachelor's degree or higher

1. San Diego: 46.02%
2. San Jose: 42.06%
3. Chicago: 39.40%
4. New York City: 38.98%
5. Los Angeles: 34.49%
6. Dallas: 33.61%
7. Houston: 32.92%
8. Philadelphia: 30.88%
9. Phoenix: 28.91%
10. San Antonio: 25.76%

Source: Table S1501, 2018 American Community Survey 1 year (https://data.census.gov/)

2018, Percentage of people below 50% of poverty level
1. San Jose: 3.81%
2. Phoenix: 6.41%
3. San Diego: 6.53%
4. Los Angeles: 6.83%
5. New York City: 7.69%
6. Dallas: 8.00%
7. Chicago: 8.04%
8. San Antonio: 8.11%
9. Houston: 9.33%
10. Philadelphia: 11.11%

Source: Table S1701, 2018 American Community Survey 1 year (https://data.census.gov/)

2018, Percentage of households making $100K+ income

1. San Jose: 55.19%
2. San Diego: 39.76%
3. New York City: 33.23%
4. Los Angeles: 31.42%
5. Chicago: 29.05%
6. Phoenix: 25.52%
7. Houston: 23.98%
8. Dallas: 23.55%
9. Philadelphia: 20.67%
10. San Antonio: 19.75%

Source: Table B19001, 2018 American Community Survey 1 year (https://data.census.gov/)

Sears looked ridiculous where it is when it was built. As long as zoning could accommodate other large towers nearby eventually, it could grow into it like the areas around Sears basically did.

How big would a Chicago casino be?

The legislation enacted just over a year ago approved a Chicago casino with up to 4,000 gambling positions (slots or table seats). By comparison, Rivers in Rosemont, which I believe is currently the largest in Illinois, has 1,200 gambling positions. So the Chicago casino would be more than three times the size of Rivers.

Who would be the targeted customers?

Out-of-town people visiting Chicago; tourists, people here on business or for a convention, suburbanites spending a weekend in the city, etc. Most of these people are staying in downtown hotels and are not interested in going to Rivers in Rosemont or the Horseshoe in Whiting.

What’s the best location?

If you want to appeal to out-of-towners staying in a downtown hotel, the most important factors in deciding where to put a casino are

1. number of hotel rooms within a quarter mile, and
2. number of hotel rooms within a half mile.

And for a casino three times the size of Rivers, you probably need a full city block. Based on eyeballing Google maps, I’d say five floors of a full block in River North or eight floors in the Thompson Center would be about right for the gaming floors.

Problem with a very large casino near McCormick Place

Lots of people have said the casino should be near McCormick Place or even south of the Stevenson. It seems to me this creates a feast or famine situation. The casino does well when a large convention is in town but struggles in the rest (i.e., majority) of the year.

The Medinah Temple is a wonderful old building in a terrific location. Unfortunately, it's way too small to be used as the 4,000 position casino that Chicago's planning.

IMO, the best use would be to restore this as a theater.

Downtown is where the action should be, casino developers tell Lightfoot

Four of the 11 responses received by the city came from major casino developers: Hard Rock, MGM Resorts, Wynn Resorts, and Related Midwest in partnership with Rush Street Gaming, the company chaired by Chicago billionaire and Rivers Casino Des Plaines magnate Neil Bluhm.

Four responses came from real estate developers D3 Realty, Development Management Associates, JDL, and R2 Companies.

Link: https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/12...hard-rock-wynn

Honestly if we can get a tall building with some interesting unique architecture I would be very pro of a downtown casino, perhaps in the south loop to give the area a height/density boost and attract more hotels and commerce (motor row?). I like the potential of MGM, City Center and their Macau properties are all quite nice in design and execution. Wynn I'm afraid will give me their standard red tinted glass curved high rise like Vegas and Macau. The team with the Rivers owner I feel like we'd get a very generic build. I could be very wrong of course.

I don't know much about casino ops, but say a developer gets it, would they build it out and then lease it to probably one of the operators listed above? or would the developer try to run their own casino? in this case would an established major brand be the best bet for a properly run facility?

The only other downtown casino I've personally seen is the Jack in Cleveland and it wasn't the best.

I've said this before, but the only location that makes any sense to me is the McCormick Place Lakeside facility. . . it has built in parking, access to rail and bus, close to Chinatown, nearby hotels, the Arie Crown Theater and is woefully underused. . .

You could use the momentum to get rid of that contentious FotParking lot to the north by grassing over and planting a 2,000' observation tower there. . . I know it's a long shot, but I'm just putting it out there to keep the (pipe)dream alive. . .

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I think McCormick is too remote from the Mag Mile to attract the casual tourist.

Were it up to me, I'd open temporarily in the Medinah Temple building and over the next five years convert the Thompson Center to casino and hotel. Both are well-positioned and need new uses.

That would be perfect actually.

Considering the design of literally every modern casino built in the US I would prefer no casino anywhere downtown unless it's reusing something.

I've been to a casino once (Horseshoe in Indiana just over the border), I can tell you pretty confidently that casino-goers are primarily not casual tourists. I firmly believe the vast majority would be high-money gamblers who can afford to lose a lot of money in one sitting, or gambling addicts who don't mind sitting for 6 hours straight in a windowless room - the Venn diagram between those two groups (gamblers and casual tourists) would show almost no intersection.
I think McCormick is more ideal because of what Tom said, plus the number of large hotels currently there (and any more in the immediate vicinity that may be planned for the future) would be better positioned to incentivize nearby gamblers, if any deal could be reached between McPier and those hotels. Far different crowds than people who would be staying at the Langham, St. Regis, or hell, even the Hilton Garden Inn downtown.

I think the corporate/convention traveler is the true audience here. Really just convention traveler. Las Vegas is the biggest convention destination in the US.

Put the building wherever you can drain the pockets of the above as easily and as much as possible.

the 78, the lakefront McCormick place, or motor row area in the south loop.

anyone else that wants to gamble will seek it out, regardless of location.

Casino goers aren't "casual tourists", they're "destination tourists". . . and, incidentally, a desperate bunch that leave lots of sadness and cigarette butts in their wake. . .

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Also Casinos pretty much always run shuttle services so the mag mile tourists will have no problem getting there.

Right. . . there's a grade seperated bus-way between Millennium Park and McCormick Place today that they can use like they do for Bears games. . . and you could simply run shuttles every ten minutes to Chinatown, twenty four hours a day, every day of the year. . .

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Chicago and Elizabeth, IN are two wholly different places in regards to tourism. Most definitely a Chicago casino would be likely half filled with tourists (specially those that like to casually gamble). Chicago is #5 top city in the US for tourism. I would be pretty sure that's why the respondents said the location should be downtown (or near downtown).

Wiki: As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago. Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the third-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.

The lakefront was another noticeable recommendation, which I can understand, but would seem to be a "pretty please" request.

Don't forget that the size preference mentioned for a casino site was 10-25 acres. For areas around downtown, the new megadevelopments seem primed to host it. I recall last year the Tribune River District site was interested in hosting the casino: https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/8/8/...strict-tribune

For context 10 acres is about the size of the USPS building south of the old main post office.

Precisely this. Obviously a certain segment of the customer base for a downtown casino will overlap with your Indiana/suburban/out-in-the-boonies casinos. However, on the whole, it will be a quite different market (not the destination/day-tripping/chain-smoking caricature) etc

River north would seem like a good spot for casino as well...its close enough to core downtown and mag mile and still in a touristy feel area... only issue is finding a large enough cohesive plot for something substantial... I like the Thompson center site as well... I feel like they can incorporate some type of theatre/live venue element to this casino to add to the Chicago theatre district theme... Either way this development needs to be large and architecturally significant which gives me hesitation because when Chicago is given a blank slate to do something special and large it tends to under perform time and time again unfortunately.. ala block 37, wolf point, spire site .

I've never been to a city that had a downtown casino and thought, "Oh let's pop in here for a bit!" To me any city that has a casino - flashy or otherwise - in or very near to the CBD has an air of desperation around it. . . like, oh boy, this used to be a place once!

A downtown casino in Chicago is best left to where the convention traffic is greatest as well as close proximity to Chinatown - where the bulk of local casino traffic will come from anyways. . . the logical choice is the McCormick Place Lakeside facility. . .

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I wouldn't be opposed to a casino in River North /or/ the Thompson Center if it could be incorporated into a larger entertainment complex which had wholly thought out programming where the casino can function as part of a greater whole. . . the only problem with both of those locations is by adding just a massive casino, you're creating a civic space that is not cohesive to the rest of the "neighborhood" and doesn't necessarily play nice with the surrounding businesses. . . unfortunately it appears as though they're looking for a place to plop down a massive casino-as-money-making-machine rather than what I would have in mind. . .

Therefore. . . McCormick Place Lakeside it is. . .

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I don't like to gamble, but I've popped in to casinos in Detroit and New Orleans simply because they were on my walking route. I've done the same in Europe.

The casinos in Indiana are designed to appeal old people with little money who want to waste it. If you had a nice casino with a sports book and good theater venue attached, it would make coming to Chicago for a sports tournament, convention or long weekend a little more attractive for, say, 20% of the population. That moves the needle.

Basically, Detroit.

Yeah, just like McCormick Place :D

St. Louis is another example I'd use. . . both of which don't have huge tourist numbers anyways, and are likely dwarfed by the numbers of casino-goers and people who happen to be in town for a ballgame that day with nothing else to do. . .

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Unless you're in town for a concert or a ball game, Detroit doesn't have a whole lot to do downtown for the average tourist and New Orleans is a bit one dimensional when it comes to entertainment options. . . casino's in Europe are a totally different animal than anything we have here, whether it's in Las Vegas, Northwest Indiana or on an Native American reservation. . . and even then I doubt the average tourist is walking by a casino in Europe dropping in and spending any money, but rather to simply look at the ornate interior décor. . .

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I understand what you mean about blending in the surrounding area...its almost like it would need a massive decade long term development..almost like Rockefeller center type complex of surrounding buildings based on the central Casino/entertainment complex but also adding a park and other commercial/residential buildings ..The potential is there for something very special if done right with the developer and architects who thinks outside the box.

Or to watch crazy German women scream their way into landing 20-Black.

City should look at the United Center parking lots. Close to the action and near a neighborhood that has seen better days. Could pull from the bar and restaurant scene on Randolph and have it all in place (food/drink, concerts/sports, gambling). You'd have to play politics with the West Loop first...

It'd also be interesting to see it SW of the Loop near Roosevelt. Maybe cap part of the BNSF railyard if doable. McCormick works too.

If we're throwing the UC area in the mix, toss in Comiskey Park area (Guaranteed Rate Field...blah, blah, blah) I would love to see that action get put down there. Total game changer for that area, imo.

Pie-in-the-sky?

MPL is hardly easily accessible. There's only 1 bus that goes over there and it's normally packed; the train isn't that close. You can't walk there from downtown.

Have you ever walked through McCormick when a big convention is going on? The hallways are packed. There aren't enough hotels over there - especially when a convention or big event is going.

Logistically, it would be a nightmare.