702 Sansom Street, Jewelers Row, showed here with boxy proposal at 709 Chestnut Street, both in red.
http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/...%20Row%202.jpg http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/...lers%20Row.jpg It's ashame they couldn't figure out how to fill all those surface lots with buildings before tearing down historic buildings http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/...%20Row%203.jpg :yes: |
What proposal at 709 Chestnut Street? Isn't that abandoned?
http://philly.curbed.com/2016/9/12/1...velopment-deal I do not believe this has been revised or picked up by any other developer. |
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Wouldn't it be nice if Toll filled in 709 instead of taking out part of Jeweler's Row? There are still prime lots for the taking.
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I kept it in, 709 Chestnut Street, because the thread is not closed. It also makes my point, that with all the other available lots, why do they need to tear down historic buildings. Unless I hear it is officially dead, I try to remain optimistic. Tho the renderings of 709 didn't scream a great project, I liked the idea of it happening. I keep the red as only proposals. The blue are under construction or, at least, very hopeful. Seeing all the projects together is really impressive. Reflects the interest in the area.
The Jewelers Row tower will have a great view of Washington Square. |
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^Use ArcGis City Engine, optimally with VR
They use Philadelphia in a lot of their YouTube videos, presumably because so many West Chester University Geography and Planning graduates go to work for ESRI in Redlands. https://youtu.be/lcLEOGO1JPE https://youtu.be/nj78eQxidFc |
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This building design is typical Philadelphia. Red brick base with cornice line matching neighboring buildings with a setback tower to give the illusion that the tower doesn't actually exist. This approach is getting very old.
The base is well designed but boring and very unoriginal. I hope that the two jewlers who were interested in the retail space are retained. This tower itself is not a threat to the Row but it will be if this tower follows the pattern of all other new development in the city in that the retail space will either go to a drugstore, a bank, a fast casual chain, or an upscale chain/celebrity chef restaurant. The Sansom Street facade is awful. Someone likened it to the Federal Courthouse building. I agree - and that's not a good thing, that building is hideous. The back of the building with the glass facade is okay but doesn't mesh well at all with red brick. This is truly a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Heide building. It doesn't need a little tweaking but a complete redo. What would work very well IMHO is a contemporary building built with traditional materials, as exemplified by the proposed Hyde Hotel on South Broad or (to a lesser extent) the brick/metal building on Sansom that houses Dizzengoff. Such a design would compliment the other buildings on Jewlers Row, whereas the current design is attempting to be a carbon copy. Finally, do away with the setback. You're building a high rise - own up to it, it's nothing to be ashamed of. |
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But you're way off on the setback. I get that they annoy you and a I will agree they're overused in Philadelphia. Buildings like 2116 Chestnut, there's simply no need for a setback. But I mean there is a reason why people use them and it's not just because people are "ashamed" to build skyscrapers. Jeweler's Row is a beautiful human scaled street. Inserting a 350 foot skyscraper right into the middle of the block would look absolutely absurd and totally destroy the intimate nature of this street. The setback is basically the only thing they got right here. The setback should remain but they should accomplish it by simply preserving the facades of the existing buildings. But then the tower itself, a striking a contemporary tower would work great here. |
I guess I can see the rationale of a setback here, but I still think a contemporary design with traditional materials would mesh very well here - to compliment the existing buildings without detracting or overpowering them, the way a modern glass building would.
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I can't wait for the CDR comments on this Jekyll and Hyde monstrosity. I think the three faux storefronts (replacing the five existing ones) are OK. I'll never understand the tower.
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If they are dead set in demolishing them and we're truly powerless to stop, they should at least break it up with different designs and make them look distinct. Currently it's such a big bland block of sameness that I think it overpowers the whole street. But yes the tower's design is most problematic. Truly the worSt design I've seen proposed in Philadelphia for high rise inot a long time. |
^ I too wish the base were better/more preservationist, but if all of this is by right (on unprotected parcels), I'll take what I can get. I would take ANYTHING over the tower with an identity crisis.
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Inga and the "two-faced" tower: http://www.philly.com/philly/home/to...n.html?photo_4
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