ILNY . . so funny . . a totally LOL post.
"I still have hopes that Fox News will back out from the deal
and this project will end up where it truly belongs - trash can." . .
thanks for the laugh.
I've already contributed all the diatribes I can muster on this one.
just 2 more words . . unsightly Clunk . .

People worried that there's some sort of rush here . . haven't been looking around town.
Plenty's going on . . And with the transportation hub & tower 3 finishing up . .
there is no way this site will sit idle for long . . even if a big real-estate bubble bursts.
I truly hope they get this one right.

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Look closely here, and you get an idea of how eye popping both towers 2 and 3 will be from the observation deck...


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^ Since 2 WTC's height got a slight reduction, that will most likely enhance views from 1 WTC's observatory when looking east.

Personally I think a higher tower would enhance views more than being able to see a little more of Kings and Queens, but to each their own.

I think he means that because of the closeness of the towers, more of the view would be blocked. I made a similar observation on my trip up there. Anyway, even at 1,270 ft, it would be at or above deck level, depending where you are.

I think you're in the minority. I'd rather be able to see to the ocean on a clear day.

People should remember 1,270 is still huge, and more in keeping with Libeskind's site plan.

This could start in January of 2016. Based on some info I received from a guy called Tom k. at yimby.

Blegh, I still wish they kept the original design xD

And still higher than Foster's design, if that means anything. It's less than a hundred ft height difference, and could still change when all is said and done. It will also be yet another tower in New York City that will be taller than the Empire State.

Unless it is taller than the pinnacle of the tip of the antenna, then it's shorter.

When I see the Empire State Building (I see it every single day), my eyes are drawn to the very top.

Say what you want, but that's my reality. :rolleyes:

I wholly agree. Regardless of what the CTBUH says, the ESB is very clearly 1454 feet tall, not 1250.

Unfortunately for you two, your opinion, or your "reality" doesn't matter. The antenna, which was add a couple of decades later, does not count towards the height of the Empire State Building, no matter how hard you may wish. That's why the Twin Towers were taller.

Anyone on the street would say the height of the ESB is to the pinnacle of the antenna. So, regardless of some institution, people see it as it is nowadays: a 1454 feet tall masterpiece.

This conversation wasn't about bragging rights or some random made-up "official" statistic. This is about how the people and tourists in NYC see the building and will compare it to those around them. So the top of the ESB, for these purposes, is the top of the antenna. Which stands at 1454 feet.

Anyone on the street would probably tell you that the Empire State is the tallest in the world, among with a host of other ignorant things. Some would even tell you that the "top" of the building is the 1,050 ft observation deck. Does that make it so? Of course not. I've never pretended to be ignorant, and won't start now.

:previous: Is there a way to create a Poll to determine who is correct here?

Clearly, the majority of regulars here seem to be at odds on the height.
For NYguy to suggest that WTC 2 would be taller than the iconic Empire State Building is an opinion that many of us do not seem to share.

The ESB's antenna was added onto the spire long after it was completed. I find it hard to officially count that antenna as part of the full height considering it's not an architectural element of the building. Say what you want about 1 WTC and BofA Tower but I count those spires because those buildings were designed with their respective spires and even the uncladded spire on 1 WTC has an architectural beacon at its very top while BofA's spire definitely fits with the aesthetics of its building's design.

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