Do we really need town gas systems to residential areas in warm climates anymore? Electric can do everything gas can with the benefit of integrating into home solar and battery installations and various smart grid smart meter stuff. People who want cooking gas could use lpg-sng tanks with regulators so it delivers the same characteristics of piped natural gas.
There’s money to be saved to non gas users in the form of lowered utility relocation costs in construction and public works and lowered fire risk and insurance costs probably? |
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Why is this great for homeowners? Choice seems better than no choice. Btw..I love your signature. Big words from a guy that ran his country off of oil revenue LOL |
Delete please. I apoligize for getting political and contributing to the "right-wing culture war." I don't know how culture war got included in this discussion but I don't want any part of it lol
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It seems overkill to ban them but certainly their prerogative.
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Restaurants are almost certainly going to be in zones that already have it, so, they can apply for a "sauté chef between 80th and 90th percentile intelligence" exemption, I imagine. It would be trivial to let them use it, even new restaurants. I don't expect the city's currently sprawling to the point there are new restaurants opening in the fringes... |
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If you have big volume and several chefs, I agree that in this case it's a factor that makes things more complicated (with no advantage at the restaurant level, as you don't "see" the reduction in GHG vs clean electric). |
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Meanwhile, in reality, PG&E has already provided the breakdown on how they produce power for Caifornia cities, including Berkeley: 33% renewable (solar, wind, geothermal, biomass and waste, small hydro), 27% nuclear, 20% natural gas, 18% large hydro, and 2% market purchases. They make a point of putting coal into the chart, and it's 0%. |
Ontario Hydro tried to push electric heating back in the 1970s, which totally backfired on those who bought homes with that kind of heating. Baseboard heating in a cold climate is inefficient, guarantees an uncomfortable house in winter and out of control electric bills.
Also, the Ontario government pushed green energy for power generation, which escalated electric rates far above inflation rates, to the point that it now has one of the highest electricity rates in North America. Interestingly, the first electric oven was demonstrated in the Windsor Hotel in downtown Ottawa, Canada in 1892 by inventor Thomas Ahearn who also invented the electric heater for streetcars. |
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Second, not in California. And not in PG&E service territory. PG&E power sources are only like 20% natural gas now, and zero coal. Mostly renewables, nuclear, and hydropower. |
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Cool story bro's now all it does is inconvenience Berkeley residents to "make a statement" politically. Good for them, Just like renaming Columbus Day "indigenous peoples day" (which Berkeley did long ago) Even though it is still a day because of Columbus and the signage still says (Columbus day) in parentheses because otherwise nobody would know what the hell they were talking about. Banning natural gas in New Buildings in Berkeley for heat and cooking does absolutely nothing to effect or change the amount of greenhouse gasses we emit and will have absolutely no impact other than "making a statement". A bunch of rich lefties making grand meaningless gestures to prove to themselves that they aren't really "that bad" as rich westerners because they "care" oh so much about X topical cause of the day. The whole thing gets a big eye roll from me dog. But its Berkeley, You know what you are getting into if you move there. |
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You're wrong yet again, but just cannot bear to admit it!! :haha: Big surprise around here! How do you get through the day being wrong so much? You shouldn't even bother responding, but rather slink away with your tail between your legs and lay low until we've moved onto the next thread topic. And then you can chime in on that topic and... be wrong again!!!:cheers: |
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