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FrAnKs Aug 28, 2014 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 6709912)
Airports usually quote LTM growth or growth vs the previous years month due to the seasonal variation of air travel.

Growing at a flat 8% a month would equate to a 96% annual growth rate.

Thanks !

So, at least, the perfect growth would be 8.33333% a month

Coldrsx Aug 29, 2014 12:01 AM

Sounds like YEG is going to see KLM...

MalcolmTucker Aug 29, 2014 1:30 AM

Get to Iceland fast my friends ...

bkd Aug 29, 2014 5:21 AM

Are you implying that we'll lose that route or load factors will significantly decrease if KLM enters the market?

Not sure what you're getting at to be honest.

Bigtime Aug 29, 2014 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker (Post 6710125)
Get to Iceland fast my friends ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkd (Post 6710359)
Are you implying that we'll lose that route or load factors will significantly decrease if KLM enters the market?

Not sure what you're getting at to be honest.

I would assume that is what he is getting at.

Now I'm first and foremost a total avgeek that only has a basic understanding of the economics of airlines, but I have seen how KL has steadily built up the YYC-AMS flight over the years while others have gone away (LH). So not really knowing anything of the operating cost specifics of either airline as a layman I would not be surprised that if KL enters YEG and follows their plan FI could be in trouble (same goes for AC and their LHR flight too).

SkahHigh Sep 1, 2014 10:01 PM

LOT Polish Airlines plans to fly to YUL in 2015.

LO 044 Sep 2, 2014 1:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 6713329)
LOT Polish Airlines plans to fly to YUL in 2015.

Can you provide a source for this info?

SkahHigh Sep 2, 2014 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LO 044 (Post 6713714)
Can you provide a source for this info?

http://wyborcza.pl/1,75248,16524545,...zy_o_Azji.html

Don't know if you can read polish but translated that's what it says!

Acey Sep 2, 2014 9:30 PM

They are considering it. Nothing definitive... YUL is mentioned in response to a question "what is the long term plan for the airline".

cyeg66 Sep 3, 2014 10:21 AM

Time for an update....using available info.

Update Pax growth YTD 2014

YYZ: Jan-June 18,371,030 (+5.6%), rolling 12 mo: 37,088,499
YVR: Jan-July 11,151,541 (+8.1%), rolling 12 mo: 18,808,653
YYC: Jan-July 8,765,398. (+7.5%), rolling 12 mo: 14,930,945
YUL: Jan-June 7,155,071 (+3.0%), rolling 12 mo: 14,304,334
YEG: Jan-July 4,769,759 (+8.1%), rolling 12 mo: 8,054,263*
YOW: Jan-July 2,701,958 (+0.2%), rolling 12 mo: 4,584,278
YHZ: inquired, won't share data for 2014, 2013: 3,585,864
YWG: Jan-June (est.) 1,781,591 (+3.5% est.), rolling 12 mo (est.): 3,543,477**
YTZ***: nothing posted, rolling 12 mo: anyone's guess, 2013: 2,300,000 approx.
YYJ: Jan-July 932,954 (+5.9%), rolling 12 mo: 1,608,881
YLW: Jan-July 921,769 (+6.8%), rolling 12 mo: 1,562,090
YYT***: nothing posted, rolling 12 mo: anyone's guess, 2013: 1,500,000 approx.
YQB***: Jan-July (no numbers posted) (approx +6.8%), 2013: 1,475,717
YXE***: nothing posted, rolling 12 mo: anyone's guess, 2013: 1,389,900
YQR***: nothing posted, rolling 12 mo: anyone's guess, 2013: 1,227,234
YMM: Jan-July 763,202 (+12.0%), rolling 12 mo: 1,277,439

Notes:
*YEG recently began including FBO passenger stats, bringing them in line with other airports.
**based on YWG's announced "6% growth in 2nd quarter".
***awaiting data from respective Airport Authorities via email, will update info upon getting any info.

isaidso Sep 3, 2014 11:04 AM

Isn't that 2013 figure for Billy Bishop (2,300,000) actually a re-posting of their 2012 number?

Chadillaccc Sep 3, 2014 2:34 PM

Amazing, YYC just broke 14 million last year and is now poised to be well-past 15 million (for the first time ever) by the end of this year. Even with just an average growth from August through December of 6% (a wildly conservative projection), the passenger stats will be at around 15.3 million by end of year. So likely the actual number will be around 15.5 million or so. Great to see Vancouver and Edmonton growing so fast too. Can't believe Toronto is at nearly 40 million!!!

1overcosc Sep 3, 2014 3:12 PM

YYZ is growing fast... a little concerning given that its maximum capacity is about 50 million, and that the new Pickering Airport is not supposed to be ready until 2027.

LeftCoaster Sep 3, 2014 4:12 PM

There is plenty of expansion capacity remaining at Pearson itself.

esquire Sep 3, 2014 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1overcosc (Post 6715185)
YYZ is growing fast... a little concerning given that its maximum capacity is about 50 million, and that the new Pickering Airport is not supposed to be ready until 2027.

What about bridging the gap by sending the charters and LCCs to YHM?

Can they reactivate the infield terminal (remember that?) for some flights?

big W Sep 3, 2014 6:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyeg66 (Post 6714976)
Time for an update....using available info.

Update Pax growth YTD 2014

YYZ: Jan-June 18,371,030 (+5.6%), rolling 12 mo: 37,088,499
YVR: Jan-June 9,210,889 (+8.3%), rolling 12 mo: 18,676,269
YYC: Jan-July 8,765,398. (+7.5%), rolling 12 mo: 14,930,945
YUL: Jan-June 7,155,071 (+3.0%), rolling 12 mo: 14,304,334
YEG: Jan-July 4,769,759 (+8.1%), rolling 12 mo: 8,054,263*
YOW: Jan-July 2,701,958 (+0.2%), rolling 12 mo: 4,584,278
YHZ: inquired, won't share data for 2014, 2013: 3,585,864
YWG: Jan-June (est.) 1,781,591 (+3.5% est.), rolling 12 mo (est.): 3,543,477**
YTZ***: nothing posted, rolling 12 mo: anyone's guess, 2013: 2,300,000 approx.
YYJ: Jan-July 932,954 (+5.9%), rolling 12 mo: 1,608,881
YLW: Jan-July 921,769 (+6.8%), rolling 12 mo: 1,562,090
YYT***: nothing posted, rolling 12 mo: anyone's guess, 2013: 1,500,000 approx.
YQB***: Jan-July (no numbers posted) (approx +6.8%), 2013: 1,475,717
YXE***: nothing posted, rolling 12 mo: anyone's guess, 2013: 1,389,900
YQR***: nothing posted, rolling 12 mo: anyone's guess, 2013: 1,227,234
YMM: Jan-July 763,202 (+12.0%), rolling 12 mo: 1,277,439

Notes:
*YEG recently began including FBO passenger stats, bringing them in line with other airports.
**based on YWG's announced "6% growth in 2nd quarter".
***awaiting data from respective Airport Authorities via email, will update info upon getting any info.

YYZ is in a league of its own in Canada. Next tier appears to be YVR, YYC and YUL. Then YEG also in a separate tier.

esquire Sep 3, 2014 6:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big W (Post 6715467)
YYZ is in a league of its own in Canada. Next tier appears to be YVR, YYC and YUL. Then YEG also in a separate tier.

Looks to me like you have YYZ/YVR/YYC/YUL as the key international gateways to Canada, with YYZ being the undisputed king. That sounds about right for a country of Canada's size.

Everything below that would mainly domestic/transborder, with relatively few if any international connections - basically the list from YEG moving downward.

Looks like a familiar pattern you see in many countries: one dominant international hub, a few key international gateways, then the domestic hubs, then the regional airports. For example, Italy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ports_in_Italy

Chadillaccc Sep 3, 2014 6:40 PM

Calgary doesn't do too well in the international department, actually. So far our 12-month ended July, we had about 1.4 million international passengers. We'll likely end the year between 1.5 and 1.6 million. Solid growth, but nothing like the numbers in YVR or even YUL. Our combined transborder/international is over 4.4 million so far though.

esquire Sep 3, 2014 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc (Post 6715484)
Calgary doesn't do too well in the international department, actually. So far our 12-month ended July, we had about 1.4 million international passengers. We'll likely end the year between 1.5 and 1.6 million. Solid growth, but nothing like the numbers in YVR or even YUL. Our combined transborder/international is over 4.4 million so far though.

Calgary is growing quickly in that department... it is doing impressively well considering that it has only been in that top rank of airports for about a decade or so. With several flights a day to European and Asian destinations, it's clear that Calgary is establishing itself as a major hub for the region.

Denscity Sep 3, 2014 9:12 PM

YVR has just put out their July numbers (as posted by Johnny in the YVR thread) and its the busiest month YVR has EVER had! Overall Just under 2 million passengers in July or up 8.1% ytd! Asia Pacific up a whopping 13%!!


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