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thenoflyzone Oct 6, 2020 6:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9064803)
Why would they pay dearly to obtain them just to return them just a few weeks later?!!?! :shrug:

You clearly haven't been reading what I wrote. WS didn't pay for these slots. They were ad-hoc slot approvals, due to the looseness in the schedules that COVID provided. They were most likely very surprised when the LHR slot coordinator gave them these slots. The pandemic made these slots possible for WS, and the very same pandemic is the reason why they dont feel the need to operate them.

No sense in transfering some flights to a more expensive airport for nothing, especially when there is no guarantee you will get the same slots come next summer or winter seasons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9064078)
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-04oct20/

AC S21 changes. Interesting they can load summer changes, but not update their schedule from October 25 onwards for the winter.

Looks like YUL-GRU is being extended to year-round, and YYZ/YUL-ATH upguaged to a 77W. A few other routes had mostly equipment changes.

As for WS, they've extended YYZ-YVR 789 service until early December. So far showing daily in November.

Also as we all expected WestJet has returned the slots they obtained for LHR.

Let's see if they operate GRU come December, much less year round.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9064513)
They need to have something scheduled so people can make reservation. Reduction will always come later :D

Indeed.

hollywoodcory Oct 6, 2020 3:50 PM

UA/DL further reduced frequencies on their limited number of routes they will be offering through November.

American also updated their schedule and will only operate the following routes:
CLT-YYZ
DFW-YYC
DFW-YYZ
ORD-YYZ
PHL-YUL
PHL-YYZ
PHX-YYC

thenoflyzone Oct 6, 2020 11:31 PM

It baffles me that AA isn’t serving YVR, but is running YYC flights from both Dallas and Phoenix.

Dominion301 Oct 7, 2020 2:27 AM

YHZ's AIFs going way up: Http://skiesmag.com/press-releases/r...fee-increases/

nname Oct 7, 2020 3:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9065811)
It baffles me that AA isn’t serving YVR, but is running YYC flights from both Dallas and Phoenix.

Too far for their regional plane, at least for DFW? If I remember correctly, AA had always been running daily mainline from DFW to YVR before they pull out completely. Definitely not the limitation of the plane, at least not the CRJ... maybe some contract issue that prevent them from putting a regional plane on the route?

casper Oct 7, 2020 6:48 AM

So is this flight by TAP Lisbon-Zaragoza-Toronto have any passengers or it cargo only.

https://www.heraldo.es/noticias/econ...p-1390924.html

nname Oct 7, 2020 8:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9064702)
WestJet and Air Canada are always the last North American carriers to update their schedules.

AC schedule was updated tonight.... Here is the FULL mainline schedule for trans-border and international routes for the week of Nov 10-16:

Code:

AC 4        789        2357        NRT - YVR
AC 8        789        12456        HKG - YVR
AC 16        789        37        HKG - YYZ
AC 22        789        146        NRT - YYZ
AC 26        77W        16        PVG - ICN - YVR
AC 30        789        14        PEK - YVR
AC 42        789        24567        YYZ - DEL
AC 44        789        135        YVR - DEL
AC 64        789        23467        ICN - YVR
AC 80        789        237        YYZ - TLV
AC 90        789        246        YYZ - GRU
AC 92        789        246        YYZ - SCL
AC 94        788        146        YYZ - BOG

AC 554        321        D        YVR - LAX
AC 566        320        D        YVR - SFO

AC 730        320        47        LAS - YYZ
AC 790        788        247        LAX - YYZ

AC 832        788        3567        YUL - BRU
AC 842        789        357        YYZ - DUB
AC 846        789        2467        YYZ - MUC
AC 848        77W        D        YYZ - LHR
AC 854        789        13567        YVR - LHR
AC 864        333        24567        YUL - LHR
AC 870        789        D        YUL - CDG
AC 872        77W        D        YYZ - FRA
AC 874        77W        D        YUL - FRA

AC 900        320        D        YUL - FLL
AC 902        320        D        YUL - FLL
AC 910        320        56        YYZ - FLL
AC 912        319        1        YUL - CZM
AC 914        321        3        YYZ - SJD
AC 918        321        467        YYZ - MIA
AC 922        321        D        YYZ - FLL
AC 924        320        D        YUL - MCO
AC 932        320        5        YVR - CUN
AC 934        320        6        YVR - ZIH
AC 936        320        146        YVR - LAS
AC 938        321        67        YYZ - TPA
AC 940        321        14567        YYZ - RSW
AC 942        320        5        YYZ - BDA
AC 946        333        7        YYZ - SJO
AC 948        320        7        YUL - PTP
AC 954        320        6        YUL - FDF
AC 960        320        7        YYZ - ANU
AC 962        321        4        YYZ - PVR
AC 966        320        347        YYZ - BGI
AC 970        319        7        YVR - PVR
AC 978        320        6        YVR - SJD
AC 980        320        67        YYZ - NAS
AC 990        320        167        YUL - CUN
AC 992        319        D        MEX - YYZ
AC 996        320        14        YVR - MEX

AC 1250        320        36        YYZ - PLS
AC 1288        319        14        PHX - YYZ
AC 1292        320        5        YUL - VRA
AC 1294        320        6        YYZ - AUA
AC 1296        320        6        YUL - PUJ

AC 1420        320        6        YYZ - VRA
AC 1428        320        1        YUL - CCC

Again, further changes are very likely!

Notable changes are of course the addition of many sun routes.
The addition of PEK from YVR.
Another attempt to restart the majority of South America route from YYZ, without the EZE tag.
The fifth(?) attempt to restart Mexican routes from YVR.
And NO mainline international routes outside of YYZ, YVR, and YUL.

The following Rouge routes are also operating from YYZ only:
MCO, PUJ, GND, LIR, CCC, KIN, MBJ, CUN, SVD, UVF

hollywoodcory Oct 7, 2020 1:49 PM

Perhaps American is operating to YYC and not YVR because it’s less crowded there? Maybe taking advantage of Air Canada’s absence like KLM is doing.

Hopefully WestJet’s November schedule is loaded on Sunday.

thenoflyzone Oct 7, 2020 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9066063)
So is this flight by TAP Lisbon-Zaragoza-Toronto have any passengers or it cargo only.

https://www.heraldo.es/noticias/econ...p-1390924.html

It’s 100% cargo.

hollywoodcory Oct 7, 2020 4:37 PM

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...e-updates.html

AC has updated this page and has charts to January now (although some of the routes are pretty optimistic).

First time they've included YYC-Transborder since May.

nname Oct 7, 2020 7:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9066394)
https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...e-updates.html

AC has updated this page and has charts to January now (although some of the routes are pretty optimistic).

Way too optimistic. I'll be surprised if even a quarter of the increase in December is materialized. The November schedule is more reasonable.

Four daily YVR-LAX and SFO?? Definitely not happening unless they're converting the routes to express.

hollywoodcory Oct 7, 2020 7:21 PM

WestJet's November schedule is coming this weekend, and it looks like they are cutting YYC-LGW and consolidating it into YYZ-LGW. This has to be one of the few rare times they've cut YYC in favour of YYZ.

I'm curious if KLM's aggressive planned 5x weekly Alberta service hurt their advance bookings.

WS is resuming PHX / PSP tomorrow and PVR & SJD on Saturday.

zahav Oct 7, 2020 8:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9066153)
Perhaps American is operating to YYC and not YVR because it’s less crowded there? Maybe taking advantage of Air Canada’s absence like KLM is doing.

Hopefully WestJet’s November schedule is loaded on Sunday.

I figured AA is relaying on it's relationship with Alaska Airlines to funnel pax on the YVR-SEA routing, and then onwards onto either AS or AA's cities. Right now SEA is by far the main route from YVR, being operated by AC, AS, and DL. As far as I know, we only have service to the extreme Westcoast cities SEA, PDX, SFO, and LAX. But the AS/AA relationship is just a guess, no idea if that actually was a factor or not. AA doesn't have a partner in the other Canadian cities so maybe they thought those destinations should be done first. But as of Nov. 1, AS will start flying to YYC again, so not sure. I agree it would seem odd that YYC has AA service and AS service while YVR only has one, but I have no idea the demand side of things, so could be true.

PS, that AC schedule does seem sketchy. Also some mistakes between the list and the destinations guides. It says:

Take off to Honolulu
-Non-stop flights from Toronto: 1 flight per day starting December 1st

But then on the list it says the flights are from YVR? Weird

EDIT: YVR apparently has PHX service right now to PHX on AC. Didn't realize that, maybe another reason why AA isn't trying there?

Dominion301 Oct 7, 2020 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9066069)
AC schedule was updated tonight.... Here is the FULL mainline schedule for trans-border and international routes for the week of Nov 10-16:

Code:

AC 4        789        2357        NRT - YVR
AC 8        789        12456        HKG - YVR
AC 16        789        37        HKG - YYZ
AC 22        789        146        NRT - YYZ
AC 26        77W        16        PVG - ICN - YVR
AC 30        789        14        PEK - YVR
AC 42        789        24567        YYZ - DEL
AC 44        789        135        YVR - DEL
AC 64        789        23467        ICN - YVR
AC 80        789        237        YYZ - TLV
AC 90        789        246        YYZ - GRU
AC 92        789        246        YYZ - SCL
AC 94        788        146        YYZ - BOG

AC 554        321        D        YVR - LAX
AC 566        320        D        YVR - SFO

AC 730        320        47        LAS - YYZ
AC 790        788        247        LAX - YYZ

AC 832        788        3567        YUL - BRU
AC 842        789        357        YYZ - DUB
AC 846        789        2467        YYZ - MUC
AC 848        77W        D        YYZ - LHR
AC 854        789        13567        YVR - LHR
AC 864        333        24567        YUL - LHR
AC 870        789        D        YUL - CDG
AC 872        77W        D        YYZ - FRA
AC 874        77W        D        YUL - FRA

AC 900        320        D        YUL - FLL
AC 902        320        D        YUL - FLL
AC 910        320        56        YYZ - FLL
AC 912        319        1        YUL - CZM
AC 914        321        3        YYZ - SJD
AC 918        321        467        YYZ - MIA
AC 922        321        D        YYZ - FLL
AC 924        320        D        YUL - MCO
AC 932        320        5        YVR - CUN
AC 934        320        6        YVR - ZIH
AC 936        320        146        YVR - LAS
AC 938        321        67        YYZ - TPA
AC 940        321        14567        YYZ - RSW
AC 942        320        5        YYZ - BDA
AC 946        333        7        YYZ - SJO
AC 948        320        7        YUL - PTP
AC 954        320        6        YUL - FDF
AC 960        320        7        YYZ - ANU
AC 962        321        4        YYZ - PVR
AC 966        320        347        YYZ - BGI
AC 970        319        7        YVR - PVR
AC 978        320        6        YVR - SJD
AC 980        320        67        YYZ - NAS
AC 990        320        167        YUL - CUN
AC 992        319        D        MEX - YYZ
AC 996        320        14        YVR - MEX

AC 1250        320        36        YYZ - PLS
AC 1288        319        14        PHX - YYZ
AC 1292        320        5        YUL - VRA
AC 1294        320        6        YYZ - AUA
AC 1296        320        6        YUL - PUJ

AC 1420        320        6        YYZ - VRA
AC 1428        320        1        YUL - CCC

Again, further changes are very likely!

Notable changes are of course the addition of many sun routes.
The addition of PEK from YVR.
Another attempt to restart the majority of South America route from YYZ, without the EZE tag.
The fifth(?) attempt to restart Mexican routes from YVR.
And NO mainline international routes outside of YYZ, YVR, and YUL.

The following Rouge routes are also operating from YYZ only:
MCO, PUJ, GND, LIR, CCC, KIN, MBJ, CUN, SVD, UVF

Are you able to load all the Express transborder ops?

hollywoodcory Oct 7, 2020 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9066888)
Are you able to load all the Express transborder ops?

Planned AC Transborder resumptions:
YYC-IAH - Dec 1
YYC-PHX - Dec 1
YUL-DEN - Dec 1
YUL-IAH - Dec 1
YUL-LAS - Dec 1
YUL-LAX - Dec 18
YUL-MIA - Dec 18
YUL-SFO - Dec 18
YUL-TPA - Dec 1
YUL-IAD - Dec 1
YUL-DCA - Dec 1
YOW-FLL - Dec 18
YOW-MCO - Dec 18
YOW-DCA - Dec 1
YYZ-DEN - Dec 1
YYZ-LAS - Nov 5
YYZ-MIA - Dec 1
YYZ-PSP - Dec 1
YYZ-PHX - Dec 1
YYZ-SFO - Dec 1
YYZ-SEA - Dec 1
YYZ-PBI - Dec 1
YVR-DEN - Dec 1
YVR-HNL - Dec 1
YVR-LAS - Nov. 5
YVR-OGG - Dec. 1
YVR-PSP - Dec. 1
YVR-SAN - Dec. 1

December schedule is hilariously optimistic though. Seeing a lot of schedule jumps from once daily in November to 4x daily.

nname Oct 8, 2020 1:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9066901)
December schedule is hilariously optimistic though. Seeing a lot of schedule jumps from once daily in November to 4x daily.

Here are the time for the "4 daily" SFO-YVR in December:

AC561 SFO 0600 - 0829 YVR
AC565 SFO 1350 - 1619 YVR
AC567 SFO 1350 - 1619 YVR (no this is not a typo)
AC569 SFO 1705 - 1934 YVR

Now I'm convinced they just generate that page by dump whatever that's left on their schedule. All those super optimistic multi-daily or business-as-usual routes are probably because they haven't have a chance to removing them yet...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9066888)
Are you able to load all the Express transborder ops?

Only part of the JAZZ have weekly schedule when I queried. The other ones just show the route exists but don't show any op days...

Dominion301 Oct 8, 2020 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9066901)
Planned AC Transborder resumptions:
YYC-IAH - Dec 1
YYC-PHX - Dec 1
YUL-DEN - Dec 1
YUL-IAH - Dec 1
YUL-LAS - Dec 1
YUL-LAX - Dec 18
YUL-MIA - Dec 18
YUL-SFO - Dec 18
YUL-TPA - Dec 1
YUL-IAD - Dec 1
YUL-DCA - Dec 1
YOW-FLL - Dec 18
YOW-MCO - Dec 18
YOW-DCA - Dec 1
YYZ-DEN - Dec 1
YYZ-LAS - Nov 5
YYZ-MIA - Dec 1
YYZ-PSP - Dec 1
YYZ-PHX - Dec 1
YYZ-SFO - Dec 1
YYZ-SEA - Dec 1
YYZ-PBI - Dec 1
YVR-DEN - Dec 1
YVR-HNL - Dec 1
YVR-LAS - Nov. 5
YVR-OGG - Dec. 1
YVR-PSP - Dec. 1
YVR-SAN - Dec. 1

December schedule is hilariously optimistic though. Seeing a lot of schedule jumps from once daily in November to 4x daily.

The most ridiculous one I saw was YUL-YTZ resuming 2x daily in November and then increasing to 14x in December. Hmmm!

Dominion301 Oct 8, 2020 1:53 PM

YAM September Passenger Statistics:

Quote:

September statistics saw 2,798 passengers travel through the airport, down 83.4 per cent from the previous year.
https://www.saultstar.com/news/local...-sault-airport

Quote:

There are currently more Medevac Air Ambulances arriving and departing from the Sault Ste. Marie Airport than passenger planes.

On average, there are 45-60 Medevac Air Ambulances that arrive and depart from the Sault Ste. Marie Airport monthly.

Airboy Oct 8, 2020 6:02 PM

Flying out of YEG on Tuesday. New body temp scanner being used in security preclearance.
Service level is still low, but that was at 5am. YVR service level is up a bit. Terminal A&B are now open for west jet and transat.

A few more food options as well. No more gate temp checks at either airport. YXT checks you as you get your ticket. Even if you have done it online.

Did the trip in reverse yesterday. YVR terminal was definitely busier than 2 months ago.

Coldrsx Oct 9, 2020 2:31 PM

AC sells/leases-back Max

https://www.thestar.com/business/202...37-max-8s.html


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