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mxg308 May 31, 2020 2:32 PM

Huge loss for YOW as it appears AA and DL are pulling out of YOW.

AA PHL-YOW JUN 0.7>0.1[2] JUL 1.8>0[2.0] AUG 2>0[2] SEP 2>0[1.9] OCT 2>0[2] NOV 3>0[1.9] DEC 3>0[1.9] JAN 3>0[1.9] FEB 3>0[1.9]
DTW-YOW JUN 1.0>0.6[1.8] JUL 1.0>0[1.7] AUG 1.8>0[1.8] SEP 1.9>0[1.8] OCT 1.8>0[1.7] NOV 1.9>0[1.7] DEC 1.9>0[1.9] JAN 1.8>0[1.8] FEB 1.9>0[1.8]
LGA-YOW AUG 1.8>0[1.8] SEP 1.9>0[1.7] OCT 1.8>0[1.7] NOV 1.9>0[1.6] DEC 1.5>0[1.5] JAN 1.7>0[1.7] FEB 1.9>0[1.7]

So that leaves YOW with only UA as the only non-Canadian airline flying out of YOW.

Dominion301 May 31, 2020 4:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxg308 (Post 8937623)
Huge loss for YOW as it appears AA and DL are pulling out of YOW.

AA PHL-YOW JUN 0.7>0.1[2] JUL 1.8>0[2.0] AUG 2>0[2] SEP 2>0[1.9] OCT 2>0[2] NOV 3>0[1.9] DEC 3>0[1.9] JAN 3>0[1.9] FEB 3>0[1.9]
DTW-YOW JUN 1.0>0.6[1.8] JUL 1.0>0[1.7] AUG 1.8>0[1.8] SEP 1.9>0[1.8] OCT 1.8>0[1.7] NOV 1.9>0[1.7] DEC 1.9>0[1.9] JAN 1.8>0[1.8] FEB 1.9>0[1.8]
LGA-YOW AUG 1.8>0[1.8] SEP 1.9>0[1.7] OCT 1.8>0[1.7] NOV 1.9>0[1.6] DEC 1.5>0[1.5] JAN 1.7>0[1.7] FEB 1.9>0[1.7]

So that leaves YOW with only UA as the only non-Canadian airline flying out of YOW.

That’s rather shocking given currently AA to PHL and DL to DTW are the only two airlines flying transborder currently out of YOW. I imagine they’ll be back eventually but for now they’re gone as opposed to UA who have merely suspended YOW.

That means as of mid-June YOW will have zero transborder service until later in the year.

Coldrsx Jun 2, 2020 1:57 AM

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Simon Pontin on FB's YEG Airport Spotters Group

Truenorth00 Jun 2, 2020 2:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8937710)
That’s rather shocking.....

Is it? Is it really?

YOW is Air Canada's bitch. And in the age of passenger loads being able to fit in a car, there's no point trying to compete where there's no edge. Post-TS, AC is going to absolutely dominate international and transborder out of YOW and YUL.

thenoflyzone Jun 2, 2020 1:38 PM

LH updated their schedules for the last 2 weeks of June.

MUC-YUL set to resume June 22. 3x weekly A359. As mentioned a few weeks ago, FRA-YYZ resumes tomorrow, 3x weekly A333.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-31may20/

YYCguys Jun 2, 2020 4:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8939872)
LH updated their schedules for the last 2 weeks of June.

MUC-YUL set to resume June 22. 3x weekly A359. As mentioned a few weeks ago, FRA-YYZ resumes tomorrow, 3x weekly A333.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-31may20/

Are there still 14 day isolation restrictions in effect for Germany, Ontario and Quebec? Wonder what kind of loads they can expect if the restrictions are still in effect (perhaps residents only versus visitors?)

thenoflyzone Jun 2, 2020 5:15 PM

I think the EU wants to lift restrictions for non-EU citizens by June 15, and Germany thus far has followed the EU guidelines. Not sure if they will go ahead with that plan though.

Considering YUL is one of only 7 long haul destinations LH is resuming from MUC, I tend to guess loads are better than expected. Don’t forget, it’s a hub-hub route and is only 3x weekly. Seat capacity is also limited, so considering all of those conditions, wouldn’t surprise me to see the flights close to ”full”, so to speak.

Same thing for FRA-YYZ.

lubicon Jun 2, 2020 5:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8940067)
Are there still 14 day isolation restrictions in effect for Germany, Ontario and Quebec? Wonder what kind of loads they can expect if the restrictions are still in effect (perhaps residents only versus visitors?)

If by Ontario and Quebec you mean Canada then the answer is yes. International arrivals to Canada must self isolate. Province of arrival is irrelevant.

rbt Jun 2, 2020 6:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8940067)
Are there still 14 day isolation restrictions in effect for Germany, Ontario and Quebec? Wonder what kind of loads they can expect if the restrictions are still in effect (perhaps residents only versus visitors?)

Having a guaranteed full cargo hold paying a premium to be at the front of the line helps the numbers quite a bit.

hollywoodcory Jun 2, 2020 9:06 PM

https://news.klm.com/klm-adds-more-d...ns-to-network/

According to this press release KLM will only resume YYC and YVR in July. YEG and YUL are TBD.

ReeceZ Jun 2, 2020 9:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8940383)
https://news.klm.com/klm-adds-more-d...ns-to-network/

According to this press release KLM will only resume YYC and YVR in July. YEG and YUL are TBD.

It should have been YYC and YEG TBD, and YVR and YUL resuming service in July.

YUL>>>>>>>>>YYC

YYCguys Jun 2, 2020 9:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReeceZ (Post 8940404)
It should have been YYC and YEG TBD, and YVR and YUL resuming service in July.

YUL>>>>>>>>>YYC

When Quebec brings down its Covid-19 cases (over half of cases in Canada are in Quebec!), then KLM will reconsider when to resume flying to YUL.

thenoflyzone Jun 2, 2020 10:00 PM

It's called AF-KL for a reason. AF never stopped serving YUL, so in essence, KL still serves YUL, just not via AMS. In that context, I understand their decision not to resume YUL for now. YYC and YVR are currently not served by the AF-KL group, so it makes sense for those cities to get KL first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8940435)
When Quebec brings down its Covid-19 cases (over half of cases in Canada are in Quebec!), then KLM will reconsider when to resume flying to YUL.

I dont think that matters. Quebec's covid count is still nothing compared to other jurisdictions in North America.

If it did matter, no foreign airlines would fly to JFK or EWR either, or anywhere else in the US for that matter. Yet they are.

samuelx88 Jun 2, 2020 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxg308 (Post 8937623)
Huge loss for YOW as it appears AA and DL are pulling out of YOW.

AA PHL-YOW JUN 0.7>0.1[2] JUL 1.8>0[2.0] AUG 2>0[2] SEP 2>0[1.9] OCT 2>0[2] NOV 3>0[1.9] DEC 3>0[1.9] JAN 3>0[1.9] FEB 3>0[1.9]
DTW-YOW JUN 1.0>0.6[1.8] JUL 1.0>0[1.7] AUG 1.8>0[1.8] SEP 1.9>0[1.8] OCT 1.8>0[1.7] NOV 1.9>0[1.7] DEC 1.9>0[1.9] JAN 1.8>0[1.8] FEB 1.9>0[1.8]
LGA-YOW AUG 1.8>0[1.8] SEP 1.9>0[1.7] OCT 1.8>0[1.7] NOV 1.9>0[1.6] DEC 1.5>0[1.5] JAN 1.7>0[1.7] FEB 1.9>0[1.7]

So that leaves YOW with only UA as the only non-Canadian airline flying out of YOW.

Why did YOW lose many US destinations and airlines for this summer while YQB hasn't lost yet any frequency, airline or destination to the US even in July?

Those are:
UA YQB-EWR 3-4x daily
UA YQB-ORD 1x daily
AA YQB-ORD 1x daily
AA YQB-PHL 2x daily

hollywoodcory Jun 2, 2020 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuelx88 (Post 8940495)
Why did YOW lose many US destinations and airlines for this summer while YQB hasn't lost yet any frequency, airline or destination to the US even in July?

Those are:
UA YQB-EWR 3-4x daily
UA YQB-ORD 1x daily
AA YQB-ORD 1x daily
AA YQB-PHL 2x daily

Neither UA or AA have updated their July schedules yet. I wouldn’t expect them to actually operate that schedule.

zahav Jun 3, 2020 1:14 AM

Cathay just updated their July scheds too. YVR will be their only long haul destination served daily. This is still so crazy to read, long haul frequencies of 3 weekly were essentially unheard of before, now that is considered good :o

Cathay Pacific in the last few days gradually filed changes to its schedule and inventory, as interim schedule extended to late-July 2020. For the month of July 2020, the airline continues to restore various long-haul flights, with additional frequencies added in the second half.

Planned changes as of 01JUN20 as follows. Further changes remain possible.

Hong Kong – Amsterdam 3 weekly A350-1000XWB (5 weekly from 18JUL20)
Hong Kong – Frankfurt 3 weekly A350-1000XWB (5 weekly from 20JUL20)
Hong Kong – London Heathrow 5 weekly A350-1000XWB (1 daily from 20JUL20)
Hong Kong – Los Angeles 4 weekly A350-1000XWB (1 daily from 15JUL20)
Hong Kong – Melbourne 3 weekly A350-1000XWB (4 weekly from 21JUL20)
Hong Kong – New York JFK 3 weekly 777-300ER
Hong Kong – Paris CDG eff 20JUL20 3 weekly A350-1000XWB
Hong Kong – San Francisco 3 weekly A350-900XWB (4 weekly from 18JUL20)
Hong Kong – Sydney 5 weekly A350-1000XWB (1 daily from 20JUL20)
Hong Kong – Toronto 3 weekly A350-1000XWB
Hong Kong – Vancouver 1 daily 777-300ER/A350-900XWB


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-01jun20/

thenoflyzone Jun 3, 2020 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8940647)
Cathay just updated their July scheds too. YVR will be their only long haul destination served daily

LAX, LHR and SYD are going daily as well a few weeks after YVR.

With the protests regaining intensity in HKG, even all those 3x weekly frequencies look generous.

thenoflyzone Jun 3, 2020 3:05 PM

Trump will ban Chinese carriers from flying to the US as of June 16, unless the Chinese government allows US carriers access into China based on their reciprocal air agreement.

I don’t like Trump, but i agree with this move.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN23A248

kwoldtimer Jun 3, 2020 4:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8941086)
Trump will ban Chinese carriers from flying to the US as of June 16, unless the Chinese government allows US carriers access into China based on their reciprocal air agreement.

I don’t like Trump, but i agree with this move.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN23A248

More trips via Vancouver and Toronto? Does the Canada-USA closed border arrangement address transit passengers?

nname Jun 3, 2020 5:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8941193)
More trips via Vancouver and Toronto? Does the Canada-USA closed border arrangement address transit passengers?

Unlikely to help even if Canada allows transit passengers from US.

All flights to China from anywhere in the world are full for at least 1-2 months. The one that are either won't be running at all (like AC's daily PEK/PVG starting July), or does not allow transit for China-bound passengers (HKG).


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