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casper Mar 12, 2020 3:02 AM

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Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8858809)
You bet you bippy it is, and they have given broad powers to HS.

They are trying to stop the spread.

You may want to read the link I provided. It does not ban EU passport holders from entry to the US.

The same with China. The China ban that has been in place now with a little while does not ban anyone based on the type of passport they have. It bans them based on where the have spent the last 14 days. It then introduces some exceptions for air crew, US citizens, permanent residents, the relatives of US citizens etc.

Here is the Air Canada guidance (based on the China ban) .....
https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...uirements.html

craneSpotter Mar 12, 2020 5:20 AM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 8858843)
You may want to read the link I provided. It does not ban EU passport holders from entry to the US.

It effectively does... but yes not per se... it is any foreign national who has been in the EU (specified free movement area) anytime during the previous 14 days prior to their arrival. Plus foreign nationals are subject to extra screening now - if you are ill trying to enter the US, they can bar you subject to testing at their discretion.

So a Canadian would be denied US entry if they visited Paris just days before business in NYC - transiting tru YUL. However a foreign national that has spent the past 14 days in Canada before entering the US should be OK - not guaranteed tho.

Canada should follow suit - the EU did not act fast enough for containment (free internal travel within the zone).

casper Mar 12, 2020 9:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8859011)
It effectively does... but yes not per se... it is any foreign national who has been in the EU (specified free movement area) anytime during the previous 14 days prior to their arrival. Plus foreign nationals are subject to extra screening now - if you are ill trying to enter the US, they can bar you subject to testing at their discretion.

So a Canadian would be denied US entry if they visited Paris just days before business in NYC - transiting tru YUL. However a foreign national that has spent the past 14 days in Canada before entering the US should be OK - not guaranteed tho.

Canada should follow suit - the EU did not act fast enough for containment (free internal travel within the zone).

Exactly. There have been a number of Canadians denied entry over the past few weeks because within the previous two weeks they had been to China or Iran. There is no shortage of people who hold European or Chinese passports living in Canada or other countries that can still freely enter the US.

For this to all be legal and not challenged in the courts in the US it has to be based on a legitimate risk and not which countries the US president personally likes.

The Chinese airlines are still operating flights into the US, they have just dramatically reduced frequency of service. I think the same will start to happen from Europe tomorrow.

My prediction is come tomorrow Air France may decide to switch from multiple daily flights to New York to just one flight. A city like Seattle may well have its Air France/Delta service to Paris dropped and instead there would be increased connecting traffic over Vancouver.

BenYOW Mar 12, 2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8858569)
I wonder which other cities were dropped? The flights are still available to book on AC's website?

Their booking system has been updated; Medicine Hat and Lethbridge are both cancelled as of April 1. There may be other destinations, however these are the only two I could find.

thenoflyzone Mar 12, 2020 1:11 PM

Trump is just showboating. It’s too little too late really. The US already has over 1,300 cases of COVID-19, and almost 40 deaths. Those numbers will keep climbing in the next 2-3 weeks.

He’s saying the EU did nothing to contain the virus, but he didn’t do much either.

And what’s this nonsense of excluding the UK for some reason? The UK has more cases of COVID than Belgium, Austria, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Finland, Iceland, Hungary, Croatia, etc.

Maybe it’s because the British drink tea, or speak English. Who the fuck knows.

LHR has more flights to the US than any other European airport. Someone should tell Trump he’s not containing anything as long as the UK still has access to US flights.

Bishop2047 Mar 12, 2020 1:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BenYOW (Post 8859124)
Their booking system has been updated; Medicine Hat and Lethbridge are both cancelled as of April 1. There may be other destinations, however these are the only two I could find.

Cranbrook is losing the direct flight to Calgary, and looks like Medicine Hat, and Lethbridge will be reduced frequency (but larger craft). Hope I am getting this all right.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/western...-schedule/amp/

hollywoodcory Mar 12, 2020 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bishop2047 (Post 8859182)
Cranbrook is losing the direct flight to Calgary, and looks like Medicine Hat, and Lethbridge will be reduced frequency (but larger craft). Hope I am getting this all right.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/western...-schedule/amp/

That is from a year ago. YQL and YXL are new cuts.

casper Mar 12, 2020 2:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8859164)
Trump is just showboating. It’s too little too late really. The US already has over 1,300 cases of COVID-19, and almost 40 deaths. Those numbers will keep climbing in the next 2-3 weeks.

He’s saying the EU did nothing to contain the virus, but he didn’t do much either.

And what’s this nonsense of excluding the UK for some reason? The UK has more cases of COVID than Belgium, Austria, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Finland, Iceland, Hungary, Croatia, etc.

Maybe it’s because the British drink tea, or speak English. Who the fuck knows.

LHR has more flights to the US than any other European airport. Someone should tell Trump he’s not containing anything as long as the UK still has access to US flights.

You would expect a country like the US uses fact based decision making and unlike a banana republic does not make decisions based on the personal relationships of its supreme leader with other countries.

Trump was pushing for the UK to leave the EU. (Why a leader of the US would touch that file is questionable.) Trump does not get along with the EU leadership in general.

hollywoodcory Mar 12, 2020 7:51 PM

As expected, AC suspended YYZ-TLV from March 17-31.

Djeffery Mar 12, 2020 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8859164)
Trump is just showboating. It’s too little too late really. The US already has over 1,300 cases of COVID-19, and almost 40 deaths. Those numbers will keep climbing in the next 2-3 weeks.

He’s saying the EU did nothing to contain the virus, but he didn’t do much either.

And what’s this nonsense of excluding the UK for some reason? The UK has more cases of COVID than Belgium, Austria, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Finland, Iceland, Hungary, Croatia, etc.

Maybe it’s because the British drink tea, or speak English. Who the fuck knows.

LHR has more flights to the US than any other European airport. Someone should tell Trump he’s not containing anything as long as the UK still has access to US flights.

How many Trump golf courses are in those countries compared to the UK lol

zahav Mar 12, 2020 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8859199)
That is from a year ago. YQL and YXL are new cuts.

Weird, these flights are still in the AC schedules for summer? But the booking engine is all wonky with some days available and some not. Is that what happens when flights are getting in the process of being removed?

nname Mar 13, 2020 1:36 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8859746)
As expected, AC suspended YYZ-TLV from March 17-31.

Add these to the list:
YYZ-MAD
YYZ-VIE
YYZ-CPH
YOW-LHR

There are also reductions in April and/or May for these and many other routes I've checked.

zahav Mar 13, 2020 3:52 AM

It wasn't even that long ago (mere weeks!) when everyone thought this was just a China thing and YVR would be the only airport really affected because of it's exposure. Now look what this mess has turned into :( I really hope this short pain and isolation will cut the virus spread right down, and we can move on. If all of these "draconian" measures are done and it doesn't improve, then..

Dominion301 Mar 13, 2020 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8860271)
Add these to the list:
YYZ-MAD
YYZ-VIE
YYZ-CPH
YOW-LHR

There are also reductions in April and/or May for these and many other routes I've checked.

I checked YOW-LHR a little more in-depth and at this point AC888/889 appears to have been cancelled from 07APR20-29APR20. Still showing the upgauge to a 330 as of 01JUN20.

The seasonal YOW-FRA that LH are taking over from AC is still showing as launching/resuming on May 16th at this point.

esquire Mar 13, 2020 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8860401)
It wasn't even that long ago (mere weeks!) when everyone thought this was just a China thing and YVR would be the only airport really affected because of it's exposure. Now look what this mess has turned into :( I really hope this short pain and isolation will cut the virus spread right down, and we can move on. If all of these "draconian" measures are done and it doesn't improve, then..

Not to get too morbid, but you can probably start an airline deathwatch. First on the list, Flair.

hollywoodcory Mar 13, 2020 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8860271)
Add these to the list:
YYZ-MAD
YYZ-VIE
YYZ-CPH
YOW-LHR

There are also reductions in April and/or May for these and many other routes I've checked.

AC April suspensions at a glance (updated):

YYC-NRT

YVR-PEK
YVR-PVG

YYZ-PEK
YYZ-PVG
YYZ-ICN
YYZ-HKG
YYZ-MXP
YYZ-FCO
YYZ-VIE
YYZ-MAD
YYZ-CPH

YUL-PVG
YUL-FCO

YOW-LHR

WS Suspensions:
Nothing yet. Upcoming schedule update should be interesting.

thenoflyzone Mar 13, 2020 4:09 PM

Transport Minister Garneau hinting at limiting inbound overseas international flights to a certain number of specified airports.

G.S MTL Mar 13, 2020 4:35 PM

Yul 2020


january +4.5% 1,600,363

thenoflyzone Mar 13, 2020 5:08 PM

^ Great results for January. February should be decent as well. It's in March and beyond that we will be bleeding red.

https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/...et_2020_EN.pdf

Domestic: 491,540 +0.2%
International: 760,535 +8.5%
USA: 348,288 +2.3%

Total international is 1,108,823, compared to 1,084,619 for YVR. So already ahead, even before the coronavirus really hit the YVR numbers.

Too bad. As these numbers show, YUL was going to have a great year, yet again. Alas, that scenario is no more.

======================================================================================

Also, a press release from ADM basically confirming travel restrictions for Europeans transiting YUL to the US as of midnight tonight.

https://www.admtl.com/en/node/17656

Quote:

Subject: Restrictions - Entry to the U.S. for some passagers

As of March 13, 11:59 p.m. passengers who were present within the Schengen Area (Europe) during the last 14-days will be denied entry to the United States of America. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation.

Dominion301 Mar 13, 2020 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8860815)
^ Great results for January. February should be decent as well. It's in March and beyond that we will be bleeding red.

https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/...et_2020_EN.pdf

Domestic: 491,540 +0.2%
International: 760,535 +8.5%
USA: 348,288 +2.3%

Total international is 1,108,823, compared to 1,084,619 for YVR. So already ahead, even before the coronavirus really hit the YVR numbers.

Too bad. As these numbers show, YUL was going to have a great year, yet again. Alas, that scenario is no more.

======================================================================================

Also, a press release from ADM basically confirming travel restrictions for Europeans transiting YUL to the US as of midnight tonight.

https://www.admtl.com/en/node/17656

Yeah I'd imagine both YUL and YOW will have very good February results thanks to the Via blockades most of the month. There were lots or Rapidair upgauges during that period.


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