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kwoldtimer Dec 18, 2017 9:52 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8022742)
^ That's a long route for a place with 6,000 visitors to sustain, even if it is just once week. I know tourism is a big part of their economy, but still.

Propping up SPM must cost the GofFrance beaucoup de francs each year.

Acajack Dec 18, 2017 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8022743)
Propping up SPM must cost the GofFrance beaucoup de francs each year.

Maybe they think that as long as they have a foot in the door, they still have a chance at reclaiming their former North American possessions? :haha:

begratto Dec 18, 2017 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ghYHZ (Post 8022724)
Not really Canada....but close enough. ASL Airlines is launching non-stop transatlantic '737 service between Paris and Saint-Pierre et Miquelon.

http://laerien.fr/2017/12/18/saint-p...-saint-pierre/

Previously you had to take an Air St. Pierre ATR-42 to Halifax, St. John's or Montreal to connect to France.

http://airsaintpierre.com/en/

Saint-Pierre et Miquelon is a Territory "Collectivité" of France located about 15 miles off the south coast of Newfoundland. The islands might be in North America but the local currency in the Euro and the food and wine.....excellent!

I wonder if they'll start selling Montreal - Paris flights with a stopover in St-Pierre et Miquelon. Not that options are missing between Mtl and Paris (10 direct flights per day, plus many other options that include one stop), but more competition is always good.

kwoldtimer Dec 18, 2017 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 8022749)
Maybe they think that as long as they have a foot in the door, they still have a chance at reclaiming their former North American possessions? :haha:

Could we rename them Saint Pierre et Malvinas and claim that they're ours? ;)

Acajack Dec 18, 2017 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8022758)
Could we rename them Saint Pierre et Malvinas and claim that they're ours? ;)

Yeah that turned out well...

begratto Dec 18, 2017 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by begratto (Post 8022757)
I wonder if they'll start selling Montreal - Paris flights with a stopover in St-Pierre et Miquelon. Not that options are missing between Mtl and Paris (10 direct flights per day, plus many other options that include one stop), but more competition is always good.

I just noticed the price... 1025 euros, or $1550. Not a good deal!

thenoflyzone Dec 19, 2017 2:00 AM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8022742)
^ That's a long route for a place with 6,000 visitors to sustain, even if it is just once week. I know tourism is a big part of their economy, but still.

Flights are subsidized.

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8022743)
Propping up SPM must cost the GofFrance beaucoup de francs each year.

This particular route will cost $13.7 million Euros for 5 years, +2.5 million to help reduce the fares to YHZ.

http://laerien.fr/2017/12/13/saint-p...directe-paris/

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Originally Posted by begratto (Post 8022771)
I just noticed the price... 1025 euros, or $1550. Not a good deal!

Worth it. No backtrack to YUL or YHZ, and no need to file for an eTA either.

LO 044 Dec 19, 2017 2:41 PM

The rumor du jour on the LOT Skyscraper page is that Air Canada's YYZ-WAW Rouge route will revert to a mainline 767. Any confirmation on this?

esquire Dec 19, 2017 2:45 PM

^ Out of curiosity, what is the LOT Skyscraper page?

And who on earth would take an AC 767, Rouge or not, when you could take a LOT 787 instead?!

thenoflyzone Dec 19, 2017 4:17 PM

Priority Pass named it's best airport lounges for 2017.

https://news.get.com/priority-pass-j...-lounges-2017/

YQB's Salon VIP lounge was voted best North American lounge.

LO 044 Dec 19, 2017 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8023345)
^ Out of curiosity, what is the LOT Skyscraper page?

And who on earth would take an AC 767, Rouge or not, when you could take a LOT 787 instead?!

I can't speak for flights out of YYZ but out of YEG LO is always more expensive by a fair amount.

Here's a random example: YEG-YYZ-WAW June 14-28.
from LO website on LO 787 = $1,925
from AC website on AC 767 = $1,392

And by the above i have just confirmed for myself that it will be a mainline AC 767 which begs the question where does the extra Rouge aircraft go?

esquire Dec 19, 2017 6:05 PM

^ There has to be a price advantage for AC, otherwise who would take them when it's a 767 vs. a 787? Especially Rouge.

LO 044 Dec 19, 2017 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8023621)
^ There has to be a price advantage for AC, otherwise who would take them when it's a 767 vs. a 787? Especially Rouge.

It's not Rouge though anymore.

AC 767
- 2-3-2 seating
- seat pitch 31-33
- seat width 17.8
- AC has a better entertainment system vs LO

LO 787
- 3-3-3 seating
- seat pitch 32
- seat width 16.9
- 787 is quiet (from what some say) aircraft vs 767

I don't see much difference. The 767 beats the 787 in some aspects. I have read many complaints about LO's seats but i guess everything is subjective including the food. Still the LO 787 is not worth a 40% price markup vs the AC 767.

I am curious whether the switch to mainline was because
a) the Rouge 767 can be used elsewhere
b) there is enough interest to warrant a business class
c) simply take away passengers from your Star Alliance "partner" LO, LH has been doing this for years

esquire Dec 19, 2017 10:33 PM

^ I find the 787 quiet and there is something about the air quality on board... I have never felt as refreshed stepping off an overseas flight as I do when it's a 787 that I'm on. But yeah, as nice as it is it still isn't worth a 40% premium.

Alexcaban Dec 20, 2017 7:11 AM

Would be nice if that extra rouge 767 would be used to start YUL-WAW.
YUL desperately lacks service to Poland.

Cage Dec 21, 2017 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LO 044 (Post 8024032)
I am curious whether the switch to mainline was because
a) the Rouge 767 can be used elsewhere
b) there is enough interest to warrant a business class
c) simply take away passengers from your Star Alliance "partner" LO, LH has been doing this for years

With TXL, PRG, BUD, and VIE all Rouge summer season and reasonably close by, upgrading WAW to mainline was probably the right choice. If they had mainlined TXL this would have detracted from FRA and MUC.

The route could benefit from small Biz class, but this is another route that could also use premium economy (a class of service on the 787 mainline and 767 rouge, but not on the 767 mainline).

This could also be a bridge year for Rouge. If mainline max8 TransAt flying is popular, then MAN, GLA, EDI and more could move away from rouge. This would free up 2-3 767s.

yyzer Dec 22, 2017 2:08 PM

In addition to their passenger flights, Turkish Airlines are adding a weekly cargo flight to YYZ effective Jan 18, and it's a daytime arrival... :)

Istanbul Ataturk – Maastricht – Chicago O’Hare – Toronto – Istanbul Ataturk eff 18JAN18 1 weekly
TK6319 IST0425 – 0540MST0740 – 1020ORD1220 – 1515YYZ 33X 4
TK6320 YYZ1715 – 1115+1IST 33X 4

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...s-in-jan-2018/

thenoflyzone Dec 24, 2017 10:09 PM

YUL got to 18 million pax on dec 22nd.

http://www.instagram.com/p/BdA1Kw-n4...ged=mtltrudeau

Same day, YYC hit 16 million pax.

http://calgaryherald.com/business/lo...senger-in-2017

Denscity Dec 25, 2017 1:36 AM

...and YVR 21 million?

Johnny Aussie Dec 25, 2017 3:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 8028710)
...and YVR 21 million?

More like 24 million.

I was the 24 millionth when I arrived on Friday!

:P


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