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superfishy Jan 16, 2017 4:39 AM

Just got back from Shanghai, Taipei, and Nanjing. Those supertalls really make me envious. 500 feet max for SD? :((

mello Jan 16, 2017 8:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bobcat (Post 7678847)
Too much attention is being given to Comic Con when in the grand scheme of things it's just one convention. The much greater danger is that LA and OC are spending billions on attractions, hotels, and transportation infrastructure and are both poised to see explosive growth in tourism over the next few years. SD will have to find a way to keep up or risk being left behind.

I take it you are saying SD might start seeing its toursim numbers lag due to siphoning from OC/LA? So Disneyland is doing the Star Wars thing, and Lucas is building his big fancy museum near USC/Exp Park... I get it Seaworld is getting a bit stale, although the Zoo does keep getting better. I think our North Coast is getting much better every time I'm in Encinitas/Cbad/Oside I am impressed with how the amenities and general feel are improving.

Little Italy only keeps stepping up, Manchester Pac Gateway, Harbor Island, Seaport Village all transformative projects. Tons of hotel rooms are coming online, Liberty Station while maybe a bit boring to us who live here by now continues to improve and is a pretty unique place (OC/LA have nothing like it). Balboa Park will be getting the redo which willadd appea. I think Hillcrest and PB need a refresh and to step their game up but overall San Diego continues to get better.

The Wine Scene is booming in Ramona we have the Indian Casinos with tons of hotels Tijuana keeps getting better so don't worry bobcat we are holding our own against Smell A and Orange Clownty. :cheers:

Leo the Dog Jan 16, 2017 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bobcat (Post 7678980)
Oh really?

Let's look at a recent report
https://www.visitsandiego.com/sites/...ecast_2016.pdf

According to their figures, the top 5 conventions by economic impact and attendance were:

1. SDCC, $140.0 miillion/130,000
2. Society for Neuroscience, $109.6 million/32,000
3. Digestive Disease Week, $62.8 million/20,000
4. American Society of Hermatology, $61.8 million/19,000
5. American Chemical Society, $60.5 million/19,000

SDCC's attendance was 4 times that of the #2 convention, yet the economic impact was only 28% greater! In fact, SDCC's attendance was 44% more than #2-5 put together (90,000), but its total economic impact was less than half of their $294.7 million combined total.

$140 million for a couple of days is still $140 million, the number of people crammed into the building doesn't matter.

SDCC is growing YoY. It would be extremely foolish to even risk losing this event due to the city being unable to expand the CC. Comic-Con is only under contract with SD through 2018. The city better get it's act together, losing comic-con would be a blow to the city.

SD could lose some of these other conventions if a competitor builds the next biggest/best thing. Cities either evolve and continue to grow or they get left behind by their competition.

SD is a convention/tourism town and should do everything possible to remain a top destination in the US. The climate helps, but that's not enough to keep people coming, there are just too many options.

Nerv Jan 16, 2017 5:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bobcat (Post 7678980)
Oh really?

Let's look at a recent report
https://www.visitsandiego.com/sites/...ecast_2016.pdf

According to their figures, the top 5 conventions by economic impact and attendance were:

1. SDCC, $140.0 miillion/130,000
2. Society for Neuroscience, $109.6 million/32,000
3. Digestive Disease Week, $62.8 million/20,000
4. American Society of Hermatology, $61.8 million/19,000
5. American Chemical Society, $60.5 million/19,000

SDCC's attendance was 4 times that of the #2 convention, yet the economic impact was only 28% greater! In fact, SDCC's attendance was 44% more than #2-5 put together (90,000), but its total economic impact was less than half of their $294.7 million combined total.


Most of the people that attend comic con are younger. So they probably spend more like the average person would. Same type of crowd maybe that Disneyland gets on a given day. So yeah, doctors and the like as a group are going to spend more than the average group of tourists.

The biggest figure you're missing in that chart that has already been mentioned is media coverage which is free advertising for the city. This type of coverage of comic con extends outside the US too. So how do you place a price on that type of free press? Super Bowls, World Series, olympics, oscars, bowl games or whatever all come with various degrees of advertising for the cities they are held in.

Doctors at convention here is something you want but they are dwarfed by comic con when talking about advertising for the city. Hell the auto show here gets more national buzz. You can not ignore media coverage with events like comic con and stick to numbers (which by the way vary some from the above depending on your sources). If you do you are not making a fair comparison. I've seen the numbers cited by officials and there's a reason they all mention the national exposure along with the numbers of events like comic con, all star game, Super Bowl, holiday bowl, etc.
It's all part of the package of a event.

Nerv Jan 16, 2017 5:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7679486)
I take it you are saying SD might start seeing its toursim numbers lag due to siphoning from OC/LA? So Disneyland is doing the Star Wars thing, and Lucas is building his big fancy museum near USC/Exp Park... I get it Seaworld is getting a bit stale, although the Zoo does keep getting better. I think our North Coast is getting much better every time I'm in Encinitas/Cbad/Oside I am impressed with how the amenities and general feel are improving.

Little Italy only keeps stepping up, Manchester Pac Gateway, Harbor Island, Seaport Village all transformative projects. Tons of hotel rooms are coming online, Liberty Station while maybe a bit boring to us who live here by now continues to improve and is a pretty unique place (OC/LA have nothing like it). Balboa Park will be getting the redo which willadd appea. I think Hillcrest and PB need a refresh and to step their game up but overall San Diego continues to get better.

The Wine Scene is booming in Ramona we have the Indian Casinos with tons of hotels Tijuana keeps getting better so don't worry bobcat we are holding our own against Smell A and Orange Clownty. :cheers:



It's funny and I can only speak of people I know from outside of California so I'm not suggesting it's universal but it's because San Diego, Orange County and Los Angeles are so close (driving distance) that that synergy is what makes So-Cal so damn popular with people from other states. We have a lot to offer within driving distance from one another. Yes we compete on various levels with the other 2 but I've always viewed So-Cal as this really great area to be in. We can have a lot of fun here with never catching a plane.

Just sayin'

Lipani Jan 16, 2017 8:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcat (Post 7678980)
Oh really?

Let's look at a recent report
https://www.visitsandiego.com/sites/...ecast_2016.pdf

According to their figures, the top 5 conventions by economic impact and attendance were:

1. SDCC, $140.0 miillion/130,000
2. Society for Neuroscience, $109.6 million/32,000
3. Digestive Disease Week, $62.8 million/20,000
4. American Society of Hermatology, $61.8 million/19,000
5. American Chemical Society, $60.5 million/19,000

SDCC's attendance was 4 times that of the #2 convention, yet the economic impact was only 28% greater! In fact, SDCC's attendance was 44% more than #2-5 put together (90,000), but its total economic impact was less than half of their $294.7 million combined total.

Regardless of the number of attendees, Comic-Con is still number one by economic impact and by far receives the most press weeks before and after it takes place. The other four conventions you listed, by the way, are not coming back to San Diego this year. You're assuming that another event would come to San Diego, annually, at the same time of year and produce a similar economic impact. LA, SF and Vegas are all expanding their convention centers right now. All of them, like San Diego, are popular convention cities that want to host more events simultaneously. Certainly part of it, though, is that they want to appease some of their largest annual events (E3 in LA, Dreamforce in SF, CES and SEMA in Vegas).

ChargerCarl Jan 16, 2017 9:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerv (Post 7679702)
It's funny and I can only speak of people I know from outside of California so I'm not suggesting it's universal but it's because San Diego, Orange County and Los Angeles are so close (driving distance) that that synergy is what makes So-Cal so damn popular with people from other states. We have a lot to offer within driving distance from one another. Yes we compete on various levels with the other 2 but I've always viewed So-Cal as this really great area to be in. We can have a lot of fun here with never catching a plane.

Just sayin'

I grew up in Orange County and remember as a kid visiting places out of state and thinking it was really weird how far apart cities and towns were from each other. I've always liked that SoCal is basically one giant contiguous metro, except for Pendleton of course.

That Pendleton gap always made SD feel world's away from me even though it was so close. Hopefully one day we'll reform our land use regulations to make Japanese style regional train service a viable mode of transit between the two.

bobbyv Jan 16, 2017 9:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7679486)
I take it you are saying SD might start seeing its toursim numbers lag due to siphoning from OC/LA? So Disneyland is doing the Star Wars thing, and Lucas is building his big fancy museum near USC/Exp Park... I get it Seaworld is getting a bit stale, although the Zoo does keep getting better. I think our North Coast is getting much better every time I'm in Encinitas/Cbad/Oside I am impressed with how the amenities and general feel are improving.

Little Italy only keeps stepping up, Manchester Pac Gateway, Harbor Island, Seaport Village all transformative projects. Tons of hotel rooms are coming online, Liberty Station while maybe a bit boring to us who live here by now continues to improve and is a pretty unique place (OC/LA have nothing like it). Balboa Park will be getting the redo which willadd appea. I think Hillcrest and PB need a refresh and to step their game up but overall San Diego continues to get better.

The Wine Scene is booming in Ramona we have the Indian Casinos with tons of hotels Tijuana keeps getting better so don't worry bobcat we are holding our own against Smell A and Orange Clownty. :cheers:

Lol someone is bitter:P, I love it, keep hating little sister of ours keep hating:cheers:

IMBY Jan 18, 2017 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7677353)
Interesting how Mark Davis has not officially filed for relocation to Vegas yet. Word is the Mayor of SD and County Supervisor are talking to him. Think about it he only owns 51% of the Raiders, maybe someone in the group of minority owners is in construction or is a developer and they can give them the deal to develop the SDSU expansion at the Mission Valley Site. There is 166 acres to work with there vs. just a stadium in Vegas and being under the thumb of Billionaire Sheldon Adelson who is putting up tons of money to get it built. I still think there is a chance the Raiders move to SD.

As a Las Vegan, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope the Raiders end up going to San Diego!

I also hope, hope, hope, one day, our short-sighted Clark County Commissioners will be replaced with far-sighted Millennials, who will put mass transit at the top of their lists, and a stadium at the bottom of the list.

dtell04 Jan 19, 2017 4:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7677353)
Interesting how Mark Davis has not officially filed for relocation to Vegas yet. Word is the Mayor of SD and County Supervisor are talking to him. Think about it he only owns 51% of the Raiders, maybe someone in the group of minority owners is in construction or is a developer and they can give them the deal to develop the SDSU expansion at the Mission Valley Site. There is 166 acres to work with there vs. just a stadium in Vegas and being under the thumb of Billionaire Sheldon Adelson who is putting up tons of money to get it built. I still think there is a chance the Raiders move to SD.

Do you have a source? I haven't heard this.

Derek Jan 19, 2017 4:48 AM

That would be so hilarious. They'd retain their rabid fanbase in the Bay Area, their rabid fanbase in Los Angeles, and the salty ex-Chargers fans. The Chargers would become irrelevant.

ucsbgaucho Jan 19, 2017 4:09 PM

Raiders to file for relocation to Vegas

From NFL.com 5 days ago. That's the latest official news.

IconRPCV Jan 20, 2017 2:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bobcat (Post 7678847)
Too much attention is being given to Comic Con when in the grand scheme of things it's just one convention. The much greater danger is that LA and OC are spending billions on attractions, hotels, and transportation infrastructure and are both poised to see explosive growth in tourism over the next few years. SD will have to find a way to keep up or risk being left behind.

Seriously??

COMICON is just about the biggest thing SD has in its tool kit. The entertainment world kinda pays all its attention to our lil hamlet for the duration of the convention. We need to ensure it stays in SD and the organizers of the convention need to work on making sure it stays relavent.

mello Jan 20, 2017 2:51 AM

Just listened to Mike Aguirre on the Radio he says the city has a great shot at getting an injunction to block the Chargers move and file an anti trust lawsuit. He is currently working with the City Attorney and a guy who filed suit against the NFL during the last lock out and was essentially successful. He said the Bolts were consistently 21st to 23rd in revenue among the 32 teams.

That isn't bad hey someone has to be in the bottom third not all can be top ten right? Plus he had rent credits, ticket guarantee in past, and free rent at their team facility now. He has had virtually no costs and the team has gone in value from 70 million to 1.5 billion - 2.2bill. So where is the hardship here? There is none at all. We are going to fight this #SDSTRONG :cheers:

You can't move our Dolts:haha::notacrook:

SDCAL Jan 20, 2017 3:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7683983)
Just listened to Mike Aguirre on the Radio he says the city has a great shot at getting an injunction to block the Chargers move and file an anti trust lawsuit. He is currently working with the City Attorney and a guy who filed suit against the NFL during the last lock out and was essentially successful. He said the Bolts were consistently 21st to 23rd in revenue among the 32 teams.

That isn't bad hey someone has to be in the bottom third not all can be top ten right? Plus he had rent credits, ticket guarantee in past, and free rent at their team facility now. He has had virtually no costs and the team has gone in value from 70 million to 1.5 billion - 2.2bill. So where is the hardship here? There is none at all. We are going to fight this #SDSTRONG :cheers:

You can't move our Dolts:haha::notacrook:

You have to be kidding me, forcing a football team to stay in a city by court order? That would make us look pathetic. Sue them to recuperate the ongoing costs we still have at qaulcomm, but suing to force them to stay is like a husband suing a wife who wants a divorce and telling her she can't move out. This is getting idiotic. We need to stop while we're ahead. We are known right now as the first major city to tell the NFL and their stadium extortion tactics to f**** off, do we really want to swap that out with being the City who has to sue to keep a team? Hahahahaha. It would be so SD to do that though. About as smart as the city turning down Miramar from the Navy who offered it to the city for $ 1 in 1952 !

Lipani Jan 20, 2017 5:23 AM

Most professional sports teams are franchises in this country. As long as they honor their lease agreements and have approval of their leagues, they can move just about anywhere they want. The Chargers covered both of those and a lawsuit like this would be laughed at by the courts.

Lipani Jan 20, 2017 7:43 PM

Gotta wonder how long Westfield is going to let Horton Plaza bleed out. They had similar problems with Downtown Plaza in Sacramento, but eventually sold it (and was later demolished to make way for the Kings' new arena).

Horton Plaza — from remarkable vision to troubled reality
By Peter Rowe

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Today, mired in a midlife crisis, Horton Plaza seems to have lost its sparkle. The mall is bleeding tenants: Nordstrom packed its Coach bags last year; Panda Inn, Horton Plaza’s last full-service restaurant, departs Jan. 31. Besides empty storefronts, visitors wandering the five-story, 900,000-square-foot complex see peeling paint, chipped tiles and cracked woodwork.

Westfield, Horton Plaza’s Australian owner, has promised a “future revitalization” of this property but has not released any details.

Malls around the world face daunting challenges, as online stores siphon off consumers. For busy shoppers, Horton Plaza presents an additional drawback: its trademark design of meandering walkways.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...115-story.html

mwm991 Jan 20, 2017 10:30 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nf...inkId=33624389

Pah, Dean Spanos might just be the worst owner in pro sports.

mwm991 Jan 20, 2017 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lipani (Post 7684682)
Gotta wonder how long Westfield is going to let Horton Plaza bleed out. They had similar problems with Downtown Plaza in Sacramento, but eventually sold it (and was later demolished to make way for the Kings' new arena).

Horton Plaza — from remarkable vision to troubled reality
By Peter Rowe


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...115-story.html

On life support. I think retail in some manner can have a place, but the shopping center mall is done particularly in the downtown setting outwith the extreme NYC type examples. I can see a mixed use replacement in a few years office/retail/residential/entertainment.

SLO Jan 21, 2017 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lipani (Post 7684682)
Gotta wonder how long Westfield is going to let Horton Plaza bleed out. They had similar problems with Downtown Plaza in Sacramento, but eventually sold it (and was later demolished to make way for the Kings' new arena).

Horton Plaza — from remarkable vision to troubled reality
By Peter Rowe


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...115-story.html

That's too bad, I hate to see the total destruction of retail. Horton was pretty darn cool back in the day.


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