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HurricaneHugo Jan 9, 2008 8:29 AM

God damn IM Pei tower blows.

Trvlr Jan 9, 2008 3:38 PM

Lane Field and Broadway Cruise Ship Developments Approved...
 
As per the U-T article this morning. Does anyone have renderings of the cruise ship terminal?



Waterfront projects gain panel backing


By Maureen Magee
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

January 9, 2008

DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO – The Broadway Pier cruise ship terminal and the Lane Field development – two key components of the city's ongoing waterfront makeover – won crucial support from the San Diego Port Commission yesterday.
But questions and concerns about the projects persist. And neither is a done deal.

A sleek and modern design for the cruise ship terminal beat out two less expensive, utilitarian – and widely panned – proposals. Commissioners, though, decided to solicit funding for the project from the city and Centre City Development Corp., the city's downtown redevelopment arm, before committing to the $23.6 million budget.

Commissioners also supported an environmental review of the nearby Lane Field project. Panel members said the review was within the scope of the North Embarcadero Visionary Plan environmental impact report, and it was consistent with their own master plan.

Once home to the Pacific Coast League San Diego Padres, the 5.8-acre Lane Field site – now a parking lot – would be developed into two luxury hotels that would overlook the Broadway Pier. The project would include rooftop terraces, restaurants, shops and underground parking.

Mayor Jerry Sanders attended yesterday's meeting to urge approval of the $400 million project, as did other leaders.

The Port Commission's unanimous decision came over objections by labor unions, environmentalists and the California State Lands Commission.

Port Commissioner Laurie Black pressed the developers, however, to agree to build energy-efficient and environmentally friendly hotels that meet the stringent standards of the Leadership in Energy & Environmental Design certification, a national distinction.

Meanwhile, the State Lands Commission, which oversees the agencies that administer California's tidelands, sent a letter to the San Diego Unified Port District warning about the kinds of developments that violate state law.

For example, the shops and services built on the tidelands must serve the public, not just those who can afford to stay in the expensive hotels.

The developers – a consortium that includes Hardage Hotels LLC, Lankford and Associates, Phelps Development Co. and C.W. Clark – promised to make the city proud.

Developers and port officials said the public would benefit from the development by enjoying the project's shops, restaurants and open spaces. Among the features designed for the public are park spaces and a street-access elevator that would give people access to a roof terrace without entering the hotel lobby.

Lane Field is between North Harbor Drive and Pacific Highway, with Broadway at its most southern edge. The project would be split by C Street into north and south sections.

The California Coastal Commission will ultimately decide the fate of the Lane Field project. The panel will consider environmental concerns and legal matters raised.

Meanwhile, the Port District has asked the city and the Centre City Development Corp. to commit to paying for part of the Broadway Pier project. Port officials asked for a response within 30 days.

It's unclear what the port will do if the agencies do not find the money needed for the project. The port had shored up about $12.7 million before design plans were upgraded.

Commissioners Black and Robert “Rocky” Spane had suggested that the port pay the entire bill itself before others suggested that the city contribute because it earns considerable revenue from the cruise ship industry.

bushman61988 Jan 9, 2008 6:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CoastersBolts (Post 3269758)
I don't know what's worse in that first picture. The two Lane Field buildings or 700 West Broadway (IM Pei Tower).

Wow...good point...

I think I would say the Lane Field buildings because they're RIGHT at the foot of the waterfront, and I hope and pray they AT LEAST keep that sail pinnacles...I mean, it's bad enough they're TWIN towers at the most prominent site of downtown without being HIDEOUSLY plain.

That Pei building is just sad...I was so disappointed I could've cried when I saw it. Iconic my brown ass!!

SDDTProspector Jan 9, 2008 7:16 PM

Another Pei Cobb & Parnters project, or just a typo

http://www.pcf-p.com/a/i/loc/ca/ca.html

San Diego

880 West Broadway
In progress

when it should be 700 West Broadway

kpexpress Jan 10, 2008 6:53 PM

I saw that there is some activity going on at the federal building site on broadway, anyone have any pics?

eburress Jan 11, 2008 2:20 AM

Lane Field should be renamed Lame Field.

SDCAL Jan 11, 2008 8:55 AM

am I the only one who thinks the new Lane Field renderings look decent? Yeah they could be alot more creative, but they seem pretty good to me considering the height. Remember, that close to the water we definately want lower buildings so the view from the bay isn't walled-off. They look like buildings that are kind of boring but that could age well

SDCAL Jan 11, 2008 8:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IconRPCV (Post 3267012)
There is no need to spend the gazillions of dollars it would take to put the uptown line underground.

Have the new line travel north from the smart corner up the median of the 163. Cool stairs could then connect stops at the Prado, a zoo stop, and University Avenue. The line could then go down with a stop at hotel circle then on to the transit center at the fashion valley mall.

I was at the game Sunday and it was awesome. It was great to see few if any Titans' fans.

GO CHARGERS!

underground, above ground, a combination of both, either way downtown needs to be better connected to uptown :)

sandiego_urban Jan 11, 2008 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 3274713)
am I the only one who thinks the new Lane Field renderings look decent? Yeah they could be alot more creative, but they seem pretty good to me considering the height. Remember, that close to the water we definately want lower buildings so the view from the bay isn't walled-off. They look like buildings that are kind of boring but that could age well

I agree with you on this, especially the part about keeping the buildings shorter the closer you are to the water. I only wish the proposed IM Pei tower behind it, made more of a statement.

I'm not sure how up-to-date this is, but here's a link to a "Lame" Field PowerPoint presentation that has some ground-level and tower (which appear different from the ones posted earlier) renderings. http://www.ccdc.com/events/resources...esentation.pdf



Quote:

Originally Posted by kpexpress
I saw that there is some activity going on at the federal building site on broadway, anyone have any pics?

Yeah, it sure looks like something is going on there. Weren't they short on money to be able to get this thing to rise?
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2144140085.jpg



Quote:

Originally Posted by trvlr
As per the U-T article this morning. Does anyone have renderings of the cruise ship terminal?

I saw the rendering that accompanied this article in the paper, and thought it looked great, especially compared to what we have now. The City needs to get this thing built so that it can accommodate our growing cruiseship traffic.

Marina_Guy Jan 12, 2008 5:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 3274713)
am I the only one who thinks the new Lane Field renderings look decent? Yeah they could be alot more creative, but they seem pretty good to me considering the height. Remember, that close to the water we definately want lower buildings so the view from the bay isn't walled-off. They look like buildings that are kind of boring but that could age well

I do like them too. They have mid-century LA / South Beach appeal to them. I wonder about the materials being used. The only thing is that they do appear to be much wider than the previous rendition. I looks like the developer went shorter with big floor plates. That does impact view corridors. But, hey, San Diego is about the best city in the nation at blocking view corridors...

I saw a picture of the new cruise ship terminal rendering. For 23 million it looks like a warehouse with a saw-tooth roof. While much better than the box they planned. I think it could be better. Maybe someone can find a picture to share...

Why isnt the public allowed to comment on these designs...?

IconRPCV Jan 12, 2008 7:01 PM

Those latest renderings are much better I feel. I appears that some sort of ornamental crown has been placed on top. I like these towers.

Derek Jan 15, 2008 5:07 AM

According to Wikipedia, Philippine Airlines will start serving San Diego pending a government approval.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindbergh_Field
Philippine Airlines (Manila, Vancouver) [pending gov't approval]

Trvlr Jan 15, 2008 5:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 3283147)
According to Wikipedia, Philippine Airlines will start serving San Diego pending a government approval.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindbergh_Field
Philippine Airlines (Manila, Vancouver) [pending gov't approval]

Big discussion about this over at airliners.net, a popular aviation forum. Apparently problems remain involving traffic rights granted by the Canadian gov't (as the flight would route through Vancouver), and the fact that the Philippines as a country might have its safety designation downgraded by int'l authorities, effectively eliminating any chance of operating new services to the United States.

If both of these problems can be worked out, flights could start by 4Q 2008.

SDCAL Jan 15, 2008 5:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 3283147)
According to Wikipedia, Philippine Airlines will start serving San Diego pending a government approval.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindbergh_Field
Philippine Airlines (Manila, Vancouver) [pending gov't approval]

It also says that due to SDs congestion and short runways, Tijuana Internation can be considered an alternate airport for our area.

They have a direct flight to Tokyo and are going to have Seoul and Pudong (Shanghai) by the end of this year according to the article

Maybe I'm crazy, but what is the value in a flight to Manila that goes through Vancouver???? That seems awfully far north to go somehwere awfully far south. If LA has a direct flight, wouldn't that be quicker?

I guess the only plus would be, if you don't get off the plane in VC, you would go through customs only in Manila and SD, saving the hassle of having to get luggage through customs then re-check for domestic flight as when you fly through LA

Derek Jan 15, 2008 6:31 AM

I think it's just based off of the huge Filipino populations in the San Diego and Vancouver metro areas. Nearly all of my Filipino friends (and I have a lot) make a yearly trip to and from the Philippines and they usually fly to Vancouver first anyways (via Air Canada and then connecting to Philippine Airlines). I don't know why. But that's just what they do.

Trvlr Jan 15, 2008 8:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 3283253)
They have a direct flight to Tokyo and are going to have Seoul and Pudong (Shanghai) by the end of this year according to the article

Maybe I'm crazy, but what is the value in a flight to Manila that goes through Vancouver???? That seems awfully far north to go somehwere awfully far south. If LA has a direct flight, wouldn't that be quicker?

You are crazy, but it's not your fault ;-).

Because of the curvature of the earth (or, rather, because of the way we misrepresent distances on maps), Vancouver is actually closer to Manila than LA is. In fact, the difference is rather large...roughly 800 miles. Additionally, because LA is farther away from Manila, PAL's aircraft must make a stop en route (usually in Guam) in order to take on more fuel. PAL's flights out of Vancouver can make it to Manila non-stop.

Perhaps ironically, then, flying SAN-YVR-MNL is actually less than 100 miles longer than doing LAX-GUM-MNL...which, when you add the hassle it takes to fly or drive up to LA, makes the journey much shorter for San Diego residents.

Anyway, I hope the issues get worked out soon. It is entirely conceivable that by the end of 2008 San Diego could have nonstop service to both Europe AND Asia!

HurricaneHugo Jan 16, 2008 7:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trvlr (Post 3284431)
You are crazy, but it's not your fault ;-).

Because of the curvature of the earth (or, rather, because of the way we misrepresent distances on maps), Vancouver is actually closer to Manila than LA is. In fact, the difference is rather large...roughly 800 miles. Additionally, because LA is farther away from Manila, PAL's aircraft must make a stop en route (usually in Guam) in order to take on more fuel. PAL's flights out of Vancouver can make it to Manila non-stop.

Perhaps ironically, then, flying SAN-YVR-MNL is actually less than 100 miles longer than doing LAX-GUM-MNL...which, when you add the hassle it takes to fly or drive up to LA, makes the journey much shorter for San Diego residents.

Anyway, I hope the issues get worked out soon. It is entirely conceivable that by the end of 2008 San Diego could have nonstop service to both Europe AND Asia!

I did not know that, i'ma get a globe and measure the distance between vancouver and manila as well as la and manila. :yes:

sandiego_urban Jan 16, 2008 7:27 AM

Here's a link to an article in today's Vancouver Sun regarding the proposed Philippine Airlines flight to San Diego. Let's hope it happens

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/n...a-ad71cd073e4c

sandiego_urban Jan 16, 2008 6:02 PM

A few more shots from the various webcams. Poor quality, but, oh well. -

Vantage Pointe
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...WebCam/vp1.jpg

Diegan/Setai
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...am/setai-1.jpg

Children's Museum
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...chilmuseum.jpg

Hilton
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...am/hilty-1.jpg

Aria looks finished
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...0WebCam/bp.jpg

Loft on 6th
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...m/lofts655.jpg

Strata site prep
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...m/strata-1.jpg

Looking down Harbor Drive
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...0WebCam/cc.jpg

View from Symphony Towers
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...0WebCam/gl.jpg

East Village skyline
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...WebCam/ev2.jpg

Hotel Del in between Harbor Club, with Mummy Island in the background
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...bCam/mummy.jpg

National City is growing up
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...lcitytower.jpg

OCtoSD Jan 16, 2008 10:55 PM

Are those the naval housing in National City, or what project is that?


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