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thenoflyzone Dec 20, 2021 3:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9481461)
Air Canada applied for extra-bilateral authority to operate to New Delhi:
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2021-185

Current bilateral agreement allows AC to operate up to 14x weekly to any single point in India (7x YYZ, 7x YVR)

Ex-bilateral was applied from Oct 15 to operate additional 6x weekly flight (3x YYZ, 3x YUL)

Now AC applied for another 8x weekly starting Dec 15. 1x weekly is already added to the YUL flight, so where would the other 7x weekly go?

Note that the extra frequency expires by the end of March, so the extra flights from YYZ and YUL next summer will need to approve first.

The way I'm reading it, it's only a total of 22x weekly frequencies to India, so 14+8. Not 14+6+8.

Therefore it's only a net gain of 2x weekly frequencies over the last extra-bilateral authority.

hehehe Dec 20, 2021 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9481474)
YYZ increases to 14x weekly, and the others to YVR?

As much as I'd like to eventually see YYC-DEL, I'd say its pretty low on AC's radar.

Do you think WS could eventually launch this? There seems to be a good opportunity to fly to India from the prairies.

hollywoodcory Dec 20, 2021 5:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9481957)
Do you think WS could eventually launch this? There seems to be a good opportunity to fly to India from the prairies.

I’d say WS would be the best airline to launch YYC-DEL, but it’s probably a few years down the road given they’d need a few more 787s.

whatnext Dec 20, 2021 7:56 PM

I wasn't even aware this was a thing. I had just assumed foreign aircrew already had to be vaxxed, like domestic counterparts:

Canada's vaccine mandate for foreign crews a headache for European airlines
December 17, 2021

Dec 17 (Reuters) - European airlines are walking an increasingly fine line to meet both foreign inoculation and local privacy requirements, as more countries require flight crews to be vaccinated against COVID-19, carriers say.

Canada is slated on Jan. 15 to end an exemption that allowed entry of unvaccinated foreign flight crews, joining others that have vaccine mandates for pilots and passengers alike.

That's creating a logistical headache for European carriers, who are unable to ask for their employees' vaccination status since they are bound to strict data protection laws in Europe, a spokesperson for the trade group Airlines For Europe (A4E) said.

"Carriers will need to find workarounds in order to comply with the Canadian entry requirement," A4E spokesperson Jennifer Janzen said by email....


https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2021-12-17/

rbt Dec 20, 2021 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9482144)
"Carriers will need to find workarounds in order to comply with the Canadian entry requirement," A4E spokesperson Jennifer Janzen said by email....[/I]


This seems like a silly thing to worry about. European Carriers just need to ask if the crew member is aware Canada requires vaccination for entry and of the consequences if they cannot provide proof. Let Canadian border control deny them, then apply consequences (immediate return flight at their own cost + 5 year ban from Canada + getting booted back to less pleasant regional routes?).


What happens with the immigrant flight attendant from Israel flying on an Israeli passport to Pakistan? Or any of the other situations where border control denies entry?

JakeLRS Dec 21, 2021 2:10 PM

Flair adds Chicago (ORD) and New York (JFK) to its lineup in the spring, both being serviced from Toronto (YYZ).

Calfan12 Dec 23, 2021 11:32 PM

LynxAir share a photo on Twitter of its 1st Boeing 737Max8 plane✈️ C-GJSL. @Lynx_Air delivery is expected sometime early 2022 to its hub in Calgary YYC Airport in Alberta & should be interesting routes it plans for it within Canada.

https://twitter.com/lynx_air/status/...510041618?s=21

Dominion301 Dec 24, 2021 5:31 PM

YXY's secondary runway is getting an extension next year so that it'll go from being general aviation capable to 737-capable: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...sion-1.6284785

Dominion301 Dec 24, 2021 5:44 PM

YOW's November Pax Stats

Sector / Nov-20 / Nov-21 / % Change
Dom: 31,742 / 143,880 / +353.3%
TB: 0 / 3,790 / #DIV/0!
Int'l: 0 / 3,642 / #DIV/0!
TTL: 31,742 / 151,312 / +376.7%

Sector / YTD 2020 / YTD 2021 / % Change
Dom: 987,373 / 978,052 / -0.9%
TB: 163,093 / 3,950 / -97.6%
Int'l: 168,382 / 3,642 / -97.8%
TTL: 1,318,848 / 985,644 / -25.3%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2019
Dom: 910,578 / -77.2%
TB: 160 / -100.0%
Int'l: 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 910,738 / -82.2%

Month-Over-Month Change
Sector / Oct-21 / Nov-21 / % Change
Dom: 175,215 / 143,880 / -17.9%
TB: 160 / 3,790 / +2,268.8%
Int'l: 0 / 3,642 / #DIV/0!
TTL: 175,375 / 151,312 / -13.7% - traffic has now recovered to about 1978 pax levels
Avg/Day: 5,657 / 5,044 / -10.8%

thenoflyzone Dec 25, 2021 2:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9485909)
YXY's secondary runway is getting an extension next year so that it'll go from being general aviation capable to 737-capable: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...sion-1.6284785

They're extending the runway back to it's original length and maybe even width, although not sure about the latter. And more importantly, they are putting lights on the runway, as currently, the runway has no lights and is daytime use only. If you look at Google Earth, it's clearly evident that the runway in question was originally 390m longer, and also wider.

casper Dec 25, 2021 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9481974)
I’d say WS would be the best airline to launch YYC-DEL, but it’s probably a few years down the road given they’d need a few more 787s.

I think the challenge with WS getting into India is Air Canada is using all the rights allocated to Canada. Air Canada is even asking for additional rights beyond what the treaties allow.

AC has an advantage on international side. When many of these allocations were made it was a split between Air Canada and Canadian/CP Air. After the merger they all went to AC. For countries without open sky agreements WS is left with applying to use rights that AC has passed on.

thenoflyzone Dec 25, 2021 10:35 PM

Some great work by a guy on airliners.

AC daily departures by hub/focus cities and aircraft type for next summer.

The schedule data is correct as of last week, and is based on a random date next summer, Thursday, July 14, 2022. He also compiled some interesting trivia and rankings as far as legacy/full service carriers go in the US and Canada.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/view...?f=3&t=1468229

Quote:

Air Canada

YYZ

Q400: 28
CRJ-200: 40
CRJ-900: 14
E175: 52
A220-300: 36
A319: 15
A320: 51
A321: 29
737 MAX 8: 36
A330-300: 10
777-200LR: 4
777-300ER: 11
787-8: 2
787-9: 15

TOTAL: 343
Mainline: 209: 60.9%
Regional: 134: 39.1%

One-Class RJ: 68
Two-Class RJ: 66
Narrowbody: 167
Widebody: 42

YUL

Q400: 50
CRJ-200: 10
CRJ-900: 11
E175: 22
A220-300: 19
A319: 11
A320: 18
A321: 4
737 MAX 8: 13
A330-300: 9
777-200LR:
777-300ER: 5
787-8: 2
787-9: 7

TOTAL: 181
Mainline: 88: 48.6%
Regional: 93: 51.4%

One-Class RJ: 60
Two-Class RJ: 33
Narrowbody: 65
Widebody: 23

YVR

Q400: 71
CRJ-200:
CRJ-900: 19
E175:
A220-300: 9
A319: 3
A320: 6
A321:
737 MAX 8: 37
A330-300: 1
777-200LR: 2
777-300ER: 3
787-8: 2
787-9: 9

TOTAL: 162
Mainline: 72: 44.4%
Regional: 90: 55.6%

One-Class RJ: 71
Two-Class RJ: 19
Narrowbody: 55
Widebody: 17

YYC

Q400: 35
CRJ-200:
CRJ-900: 13
E175:
A220-300: 8
A319: 2
A320: 2
A321:
737 MAX 8: 29
A330-300:
777-200LR: 1
777-300ER:
787-8:
787-9: 4

TOTAL: 94
Mainline: 46: 48.9%
Regional: 48: 51.1%

One-Class RJ: 35
Two-Class RJ: 13
Narrowbody: 41
Widebody: 5

YOW

Q400: 15
CRJ-200: 6
CRJ-900: 9
E175:
A220-300: 4
A319:
A320: 16
A321:
737 MAX 8: 4
A330-300:
777-200LR:
777-300ER:
787-8:
787-9:

TOTAL: 54
Mainline: 24: 44.4%
Regional: 30: 55.6%

One-Class RJ: 21
Two-Class RJ: 9
Narrowbody: 24
Widebody: 0

YHZ

Q400: 7
CRJ-200:
CRJ-900: 5
E175:
A220-300: 5
A319:
A320: 5
A321:
737 MAX 8: 12
A330-300:
777-200LR:
777-300ER:
787-8:
787-9:

TOTAL: 34
Mainline: 22: 64.7%
Regional: 12: 35.3%

One-Class RJ: 7
Two-Class RJ: 5
Narrowbody: 22
Widebody: 0

Dominion301 Dec 26, 2021 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9486417)
Some great work by a guy on airliners.

AC daily departures by hub/focus cities and aircraft type for next summer.

The schedule data is correct as of last week, and is based on a random date next summer, Thursday, July 14, 2022. He also compiled some interesting trivia and rankings as far as legacy/full service carriers go in the US and Canada.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/view...?f=3&t=1468229

I think the most glaring thing in there is the zero widebodies at YOW. The AC thread shows AC888/889 as still set aside for YOW-LHR, so the big question will be will it return in 2023? Here's YEG & YWG that both have noticeably shrunk (they're becoming ULCC meccas):

YEG (AC)

Q400: 10
CRJ-200:
CRJ-900:
E175:
A220-300: 13
A319:
A320:
A321:
737 MAX 8: 9
A330-300:
777-200LR:
777-300ER:
787-8:
787-9:

TOTAL: 32
Mainline: 22: 68.8%
Regional: 10: 31.3%

One-Class RJ: 10
Two-Class RJ: 0
Narrowbody: 22
Widebody: 0

YWG (AC)

Q400:
CRJ-200:
CRJ-900: 4
E175:
A220-300: 2
A319:
A320: 12
A321:
737 MAX 8:
A330-300:
777-200LR:
777-300ER:
787-8:
787-9:

TOTAL: 18
Mainline: 14: 77.8%
Regional: 4: 22.2%

One-Class RJ: 0
Two-Class RJ: 4
Narrowbody: 14
Widebody: 0

Dominion301 Dec 26, 2021 7:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9486275)
They're extending the runway back to it's original length and maybe even width, although not sure about the latter. And more importantly, they are putting lights on the runway, as currently, the runway has no lights and is daytime use only. If you look at Google Earth, it's clearly evident that the runway in question was originally 390m longer, and also wider.

Interesting. I wonder why it was ever shortened in the first place?

Calfan12 Dec 27, 2021 11:41 AM

It looks like Alaska Airlines ✈️ very well could be 1st US airline to resume flights at Edmonton YEG mid April 2022 as they still haven’t changed it yet, will see when it gets closer.

United Airlines has now pushed back both Edmonton -Denver & Houston flights from end of March to May 2022 & *more changes could still be possible*.

thenoflyzone Dec 27, 2021 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9486662)
Interesting. I wonder why it was ever shortened in the first place?

Probably the same reason why any airport decommissions part/all of their secondary runway. The time came to repave it and it was decided the ends didn't justify the means.

However, now that the airport is busier, they realized that having a second runway capable of handling 737s is useful, especially in winter during snow removal operations.

Dominion301 Dec 27, 2021 5:26 PM

AC's 1st 763 freighter in old colours FIN 637:

https://www.thenetletter.net/images/.../fin637_01.jpg

Photo credit: Wayne Albertson

The 2nd 763 will be in the new livery with 'Cargo' titles.

SignalHillHiker Dec 28, 2021 6:55 AM

After a day of travel, my buddies heading to Spain are finally farther east than when they started :haha:

https://i.postimg.cc/0Q47N9qr/BA401-...99-E495-F6.jpg

They said Pearson was as busy as it’s ever been in terms of crowds inside the terminal.

So glad I’m not trying to travel now. I’m not sure I’m mentally ready to accept having to fly to TO or MTL to get to Europe again. It just turns what should be a short, easy trip into a lengthy headache lol I’ll hold out until we get an affordable direct back, if ever lol

Edit: They’ve made it to London. Heathrow is absolutely deserted compared to Pearson, they say.

Edit 2: They’re flying out of Gatwick. Said only a small minority of people, including only a small minority of staff, are masked. “Security, no one. Not even on their chins. Just no masks. This is worse than the States. Hopefully we can get out of this country before we’re infected.” They checked and apparently they are required so they’re submitting an angry review :haha:

esquire Dec 28, 2021 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 9487527)
Hopefully we can get out of this country before we’re infected.”

I wonder how many vacationers right now have any plan at all for testing and quarantine in case they get sick? Or more realistically is everyone just going to soldier along on their vacations unless they are literally physically unable to go on?

thenoflyzone Dec 28, 2021 8:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 9487527)

So glad I’m not trying to travel now. I’m not sure I’m mentally ready to accept having to fly to TO or MTL to get to Europe again. It just turns what should be a short, easy trip into a lengthy headache lol I’ll hold out until we get an affordable direct back, if ever lol

You'll have several options out of YHZ to Europe come summertime, that's if WS and AC stick with their current schedules that is.

I don't think YYT-LHR is coming back online anytime soon, certainly not year round.


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