You got the wrong Tuckahoe, as those photos are of the one in New York :).
This is the New Jersey one. Still a nice rail station, and used as an event hall now. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...n_Cape_May.JPG photo from wikipedia |
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2010 & 2030 Ridership Projections based on Rail oriented development and growth along the lines and future gas prices.... The Urban development push along some lines was factored in the projections. I have some of the Development proposals , and plans.... I might post some later if requested.
Regional Impact projects by 2030 Gateway Project - 250,000 East Side Access - 220,000 Hudson Valley and Connecticut New Haven line - 118,050 (2012) > 280,000 (2030) New Canaan Branch - 6,370 (2012) > 12,300 (2030) Danbury Branch - 5,800 (2012) > 17,800 (2030) Waterbury Branch - 690 (2012) > 1,300 (2030) Harlem line - 75,200 (2012) > 122,000 (2030) Hudson line - 55,000 (2012) > 83,700 (2030) Port Jervis Line - 7,600 (2012) > 14,200 (2030) Shore Line East - 3,200 (2012) > 12,400 (2030) Knowledge Corridor - 4,200 (2012) > 84,800 (2030) Future lines Beacon line - 6,300 West Shore line - 45,000 I-287 Railway/Cross Chester line - 182,000 Danbury Branch Extension to New Milford - 6,500 Hell Gate line - 73,000 West Side line - 13,000 Infill Stations on the Regional Rail system - 18,200 New Jersey Transit Light Rail - Commuter Rail Hybrid Riverline - 11,000 (2011) > 25,000 (2030) -Regional Rail Atlantic line - 1,760 (2012) > 5,000 (2030) Northeast Corridor - 115,700 (2012) > 210,000 (2030) North Jersey Coast line - 17,800 (2012) > 35,000 (2030) Raritan Valley line - 12,100 (2012) > 25,000 (2030) Main Line - 9,160 (2012) > 30,000 (2030) Bergen County Line - 5,600 (2012) > 17,000 (2030) Pascack Valley Line - 9,150 (2012) > 16,000 (2030) Montclair-Boonton Line - 10,142 (2012) > 27,000 (2030) Morristown Line - 54,000 (2012) > 85,000 (2030) Gladstone Branch - 3,036 (2012) > 6,500 (2030) Future Regional & Light Rail lines Glassboro LRT - 25,000 West Trenton LRT - 15,000 MOM Rail Network (Red Bank - Forked River line ,Monmouth JCT line ,Matawan line ,Amboy Branch) - 130,000 West Trenton line - 15,000 Philpsburg Connections - 30,000 Pompton Branch - 4,600 Lackawanna Line - 9,400 Northwest line - 15,000 West Shore line - 45,000 Kingsland Branch - 5,000 Southern Jersey Network - 35,200 Pennsville LRT - 5,800 Millville LRT Extension - 13,000 Infill Stations on the Regional Rail system - 30,000 NJT & MNRR Ridership - 2010/2011 > 424,625 NJT & MNRR Ridership - 2030 > 1.8 Million |
Kingsland Branch? Where would that go?
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(BTW, you should put up your complete set of future Philly subway posts on this forum or City-Data or somewhere else, if you haven't already.) |
Slightly old map...alot has been added or put on the shelve since then
http://www.nj-arp.org/njt2020.gif All Commited Projects are completed... 10 , on hold till the CSX tunnel Expansion and upgrade , it will service a gap in the Rail Network in Eastern Bergen and Rockland County , Projected Ridership is about 50,000 11 , 2018 Target Date , it will bring HBLR into Bergen County and add 60,000 daily users 12 , Could Be merged with #22 13 , Completed opened 2009 14 , Newark - Elizabeth LRT on hold for some reason even though Ridership was projected to be 85,000 and there were developments tied into it... 15 , On hold , was tied to the Newark - Elizabeth LRT 16 , On Hold , needs to studied again and expanded , Projected Ridership expected to 120,000 17 , On Hold , could be up and running by 2015 as a seasonal service though 18 , 2019 Target Date , would branch a LRT from Camden to Glassboro servicing 25-40,000 daily Riders and a growing corridor 19 , On hold till CSX and NS upgrade their trackage could be up and running by 2022 and would service Central Jersey with about 15,000 daily Riders 20 & 21 , Could be done later this decade after NS trackage upgrades ,Daily Ridership will be around 45,000 22 , will be Rail line servicing the NJ-23 Corridor , some plans have it running from Sparta to Hawthrone and others send it to the West Shore line #10 over # 12 plans , Ridership would be about 10,000 for this line. 23 , is Under Construction from Port Morris JCT to Andover and is set to Open by 2014 , Phase 2 will go into PA and open by 2019 if funded 24 , Is on hold and tied to 2 developments in the Amboys 25 , is on Hold , it was tied to a development that tanked after the recession 26 , was canceled and rebranded as the Amtrak Gateway Project 27 , Preparations were made for the first Phase of the Project to Belleview , but no other movement. NJT is in talks with NS to buy the line. 28 , was completed in 2009...Full BRT is under study 29 , would come with # 22 30 , is under study , could be a Rail shuttle 31 , a Private firm would due the LRT , the Busway is being studied by the DOT it would run down Route 27 32 , Its on hold for now , but could come with # 19 33 & 34 , have yet to be studied but wouldn't require that much Theres also the following projects being studied by the state...and some private groups - I-80/280 Bus Rapid Transit from Parsippany - Troy Hills to University Heights - Newark - I-80 Bus Rapid Transit from Wayne to Bogota then Express service to Manhattan - NJ 4 Busway from Paramus to Englewood Transit Center w/ connections to future Northern Branch LRT , Express Service to Manhattan - US 1 Bus Rapid Transit from Princeton to New Brunswick - US 1 Bus Rapid Transit from Edison to Elizabeth - US 9 Bus Rapid Transit from Freehold to South Amboy , Express service to Newark and Jersey City - NJ 18 Bus Rapid Transit from New Brunswick to Old Bridge - NJT Mount Holly - Fort Dix Rail line - NJT Amboy Branch - South Amboy - East Windsor Rail - NJT Red Bank Branch Extension to Forked River - Journal SQ - Historic Downtown Streetcar Network - Bayonne Streetcar lines - Princeton Streetcar line , replaces Dinky , Extends service into the Downtown - NJ 55 Busway from Camden to Millville - Vineland Commuter Rail line |
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Current , Proposed or Under Construction stations East of the Hudson New Haven line - GTC route Grand Central Terminal Harlem - 125th Street Yankees – East 153rd Street (Game Days only) Fordham Mount Vernon East Pelham New Rochelle Larchmont Mamaroneck Harrison Rye Port Chester Greenwich Cos-Cob Riverside Old Greenwich Stamford East Stamford Norton Heights Darien Rowayton South Norwalk East Norwalk Wesport Green Farms Southport Fairfield Fairfield Metro Center Bridgeport East Bridgeport Stratford Milford Orange West Haven New Haven Union Station New Haven State street Hell Gate line New York Penn Station Sunnyside JCT Astoria Hunts Point Parkchester Morris Park Co-Op City City Island-Orchard Beach South Rochelle New Rochelle Larchmont Mamaroneck Harrison Rye Port Chester Greenwich Cos-Cob Riverside Old Greenwich Stamford East Stamford Norton Heights Darien Rowayton South Norwalk East Norwalk Wesport Green Farms Southport Fairfield Fairfield Metro Center Bridgeport East Bridgeport Stratford Milford Orange West Haven New Haven Union Station New Haven State street New Canaan Branch Stamford East Stamford Glenbrook Springdale Talmadge Hill New Canaan Danbury Branch South Norwalk Wall Street Merritt 7 Wilton Cannondale Georgetown Branchville Redding Bethel Danbury North Danbury Brookfield New Milford Waterbury Branch Stamford Bridgeport Stratford Derby-Shelton Ansonia Seymour Beacon Falls Naugatuck Waterbury Harlem line Grand Central Terminal Harlem-125th Street Melrose Tremont Fordham Botanical Garden Williams Bridge Woodlawn Wakefield Mt. Vernon West Fleetwood Bronxville Tuckahoe Crestwood Scarsdale Hartsdale White Plains North White Plains Valhalla Mt. Pleasant Hawthrone Pleasentville Chappaqua Mt. Kisco Bedford Hills Katonah Golden's Bridge Purdy's Croton Falls Brewster Southeast Patterson Pawling Appalachian Trail Harlem Valley-Wingdale Dover Plains Tenmile River Wassaic Hudson line - GCT Route Grand Central Terminal Harlem-125th Street Yankees-E. 153 St Morris Heights University Heights Marble Hill Spuyten Duyvil Riverdale Ludlow Yonkers Glenwood Greystone Hastings-on-Hudson Dobbs Ferry Ardsley-on-Hudson Irvington Tarryrown Philipse Manor Scarborough Ossining Croton-Harmon Cortlandt Peekskill Manitou Garrison Cold Spring Breakneck Ridge Beacon New Hamburg Poughkeepsie West Side Line New York Penn Station West 62nd Street West 125th Street Dyckman St Riverdale Ludlow Yonkers Glenwood Greystone Hastings-on-Hudson Dobbs Ferry Ardsley-on-Hudson Irvington Tarryrown Philipse Manor Scarborough Ossining Croton-Harmon Beacon / Maybrook line Beacon Beacon Town Center Fishkill Brinckernoff Hopewell JCT Brewster Danbury Newton Derby-Shelton West of the Hudson Port Jervis line Hoboken Terminal Secaucus JCT Paterson Ridgewood Suffern Hillburn Sloatsburg Tuxedo Harriman Salisbury Mills-Cornwall Campbell Hall Middletown-Town of Wallkill Otisville Port Jervis I-287 Rail Corridor Hillburn East Suffern Airmont Monsey Spring Valley West Nyack Nyack Tarrytown Elmsford Fairview White Plains Transit Center Downtown White Plains East White Plains Port Chester I-287 Rail Corridor GCT spur Hillburn East Suffern Airmont Monsey Spring Valley West Nyack Nyack Irvington Yonkers Harlem-125th Street Grand Central Terminal West Shore line Hoboken Terminal Secaucus Road - Jersey City Heights North Bergen Transit Center Vince Lombradi Park & Ride Ridgefield Park Cedar Lane - Teaneck West Englewood Bergenfield Haworth Harrington Park Tappan Blauvelt Valley Cottage Congers Haverstraw Stony Point Bear Mountain Highland Falls West Point Cornwall on Hudson Newburgh |
The New Upgraded NJT Map...
Station by Station Guide https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...34181,6.696167 Urban Rail Hudson Bergen Light Rail Nyack South Nyack Piermont Sparkill Northvale Norwood Closter Demarest Creeskill Tenafly North Tenafly Town Center Englewood Hospital Englewood Town Center Englewood Route 4 Leonia Palisades Park Ridgefield 91st Street Tonnelle Avenue Bergenline Avenue (Underground) Port Imperial Lincoln Harbor North Hoboken 9th / Congress 2nd Street Grove Street / 18th Street Hoboken Terminal Pavonia-Newport Harsimus Cove Harborside Financial Center Exchange Place Essex Street Marin Boulevard Jersey Ave Liberty State Park Split > Garfield Avenue , Martin Luther King Drive , West Side Avenue , Bayfront Canal Crossing Richard Street Danforth Avenue 45th Street 34th Street 22nd Street 8th Street (Elevated) Newark Light Rail Main line Newark Penn station (Underground) Military Park (Underground) Washington Street (Underground) Warren Street (Undeground) Norfolk Street Orange Street Park Ave Bloomfield Ave Davenport Ave Branch Brook Park Silver Lake Grove Street Wateseeing Ave Prospect Street Glenwood Ave Brighton Ave Thomas Boulevard High Street Thomas Edison Historic Site / Lakeside Ave Park Ave Board Street Branch Newark Penn station NJPAC / centre street Atlantic Street / Washington Park Newark Board Street Ironbound Connector Newark Broad Street Atlantic Street / Washington Park NJPAC / Centre Street Newark Penn Station (Underground) Jackson Street (Underground) St. Charles Street (Underground) Bayfront (Elevated) West Side Ave Martin Luther King Drive Garfield Ave Liberty State Park Jersey Ave Marin Boulevard Essex Street Exchange Place Harborside Harsimus Cove Pavonia/Newport Hoboken Terminal Springfield Ave LRT Newark Penn Station (Underground) - Newark Military Park (Underground) - Newark Washington Street (Underground) - Newark South Orange Ave (underground) - Newark 18th Ave (Underground) - Irvington Clinton Ave (Underground) - Irvington Chancellor Ave (Underground) - Maplewood Prospect Street (Underground) - Maplewood Laurel Ave (Underground) - Maplewood Vauxhall (Underground) PATH Newark Line Cranford Cranford - Garden State Parkway Park & Ride Chestnut Street (Roselle) Linden Road (Roselle) Elmora Midtown Elizzy Elizabethport Jersey Gardens Terminal A Terminal C Airport Transfer South Street Newark Penn station Harrison Journal SQ Grove Street Exchange Place World Trade Center Journal SQ - Hoboken - 33rd line Journal SQ Grove Street Newport Hoboken Christopher Street 9th Street 14th Street 23rd Street 33rd Street RiverLine Trenton Transit Center Hamilton Ave Cass Street Bordentown Roebling Florence Burlington Towne Centre Burlington South Beverly-Edgewater Park Delanco Riverside Cinnaminson Riverton Palmyra Pennsauken-Route 73 Pennsauken Transit Center 36th Street Walter Rand Transportation ctr Cooper St-Rutgers Univ. Aquarium Entertainment Center Glassboro / Millville Branch Walter Rand Transportation ctr Cooper Hospital Atlantic Ave Gloucester City Crown Point Road Red Bank Ave Cooper Street Woodbury Heights Wenonah Mantra Boulevard Sewell Pitman Rowan University Glassboro Clayton Newfield Oak Road Landis Ave Walnut Road Route 55 Park / Ride Broad Street Main Street West Trenton Extension Trenton Transit Center State and Canal Street State and Warren Street State House Calhoun & Passaic Street Calhoun & Bernard Street Prospect Street Parkside Ave Lower Ferry Road West Trenton Transit Center New Brunswick Light Rail Bound Brook Train Station Canal Road - South Bound Brook Edgewood Terrace - South Bound Brook Worlds Fair Dr - Franklin JFK Boulevard - Franklin Enters tunnel Franklin Boulevard (underground) - Franklin Hamilton Street (Underground) - New Brunswick New Brunswick Station (Underground) - New Brunswick Livingston Ave (Underground) - New Brunswick Commercial & George (Underground) - New Brunswick Feaster Park (Underground) - New Brunswick Howard Street (Underground) - New Brunswick Emerges from Tunnel US 1 Park & Ride - North Brunswick Washington Ave - Milltown Rydners Lane - Milltown Main Street - East Brunswick Willet Ave - South River Whitehead Ave - South River Jernee Mill Road - Sayreville South Minnisink Ave - Sayreville Washington Road - Sayreville Sayreville North Stevens Ave North - South Amboy Main Street Amboy South Amboy Train Station Passaic - Essex LRT (Paterson Link) Mountain View Station Riverview DR - Totowa Enters Tunnel Crews Street (Underground) - Totowa Totowa Road (Underground) - Totowa Cumberland Ave (Underground) - Paterson Preakness Ave (Underground) - Paterson Emerges from Tunnel begins street running Paterson Great Falls National Park - Paterson Factory Village - Paterson Enters Tunnel Main Street (Underground) - Paterson Memorial Dr (Underground)- Paterson 21st Ave (Underground) - Paterson St. Joesph's Hospital (Underground) - Paterson Emerges from Tunnel Pacific Street - Paterson US 46 Park & Ridge - Clifton Clifton Ave - Clifton Mount Proposect Ave - Clifton Bloomfield Ave - Clifton Allwood Road - Clifton Chemical Works - Nutley Franklin Ave - Nutley Passaic Ave - Nutley Washington Ave - Nutley Little Street - Belleview Joralemon Street - Belleview Rutgers Street - Belleview Mill Street - Belleview North Boardway Transit Center - Newark Grafton Ave - Newark Chester Ave East - Newark 4th Ave - Newark Clark Street - Newark Broad Street - Newark Washington Park - Newark Centre Street - Newark Newark Penn Station Pennsville LRT Pennsville Carney's Point Penns Grove Bridgeport Gibbstown Paulsboro Woodbury JCT Red bank Ave Crown Point Road Gloucester City Atlantic Ave Copper Hospital Walter Rand Transit Center Regional Rail Atlantic line Philadelphia-30th Street Station Pennsauken Transit Center Cherry Hill Lindenwood Atco Hammonton Egg Harbor City Absecon Atlantic City North Jersey Coast line Bay Head Point Pleasant Beach Manasquan Spring Lake Belmar Bradley Beach Asbury Park Allenhurst Elberon Long Branch Monmouth Park Little Silver Red Bank Middletown Hazlet Aberdeen-Matawan Laurence Harbor South Amboy Perth Amboy Woodbridge Avenel Rahway Linden Broad St. Elizabeth North Elizabeth Newark Airport Newark Penn Hoboken Northeast Corridor Trenton Hamilton Princeton JCT Jersey Ave (Southbound only) New Brunswick Edison Metchun Metropark Rahway Linden Midtown Elizabeth North Elizabeth Newark Airport Newark Penn station Secaucus JCT New York Penn Gladstone Branch Gladstone Peapack Far Hills Bernardsville Basking Ridge Lyons Millington Stirling Gillette Berkeley Heights Murray Hill New Providence Summit Short Hills Millburn Maplewood South Orange Mountain Station Highland Ave Orange Brick Church East Orange Newark Board Street Harrison Hoboken Morristown line Philpsburg - Main Street Philpsburg - US 22 / NJ 57 Park / Ride Washington Hackettstown Mount Olive Netcong Lake Hopatcong Mount Arlington Dover Denville Mount Tabor Morris Plains Morristown Convent Station Madison Chatham Summit Short Hills Millburn Maplewood South Orange Orange Brick Church Newark Board Street Harrison Hoboken Montclair - Boonton line Hackettstown Mount Olive Netcong Lake Hopatcong Mount Arlington Dover Denville Mountain Lakes Boonton Towaco Lincoln Park Mountain View-Wayne Wayne-Route 23 Little Falls Montclair State University Montclair Heights Mountain Avenue Upper Montclair Watchung Avenue Walnut Street Bay Street Glen Ridge Bloomfield Watsessing Avenue Ampere Newark-Broad St Harrison Hoboken Raritan Valley Line Phillipsburg Bloomsbury Ludlow Hampton Glen Gardner High Bridge Annandale Lebanon White House North Branch Raritan Somerville Bridgewater Bound Brook Dunellen Plainfield Netherwood Fanwood Westfield Garwood Cranford Roselle Park Union Newark Penn station Hoboken (Peak Hours only) Morristown line - Midtown Direct Service Dover Denville Mount Tabor Morris Plains Morristown Convent Station Madison Chatham Summit Short Hills Millburn Maplewood South Orange Orange Brick Church Newark Board Street Harrison Secaucus JCT New York Penn station Montclair line - Midtown Direct Service Montclair State University Montclair Heights Mountain Avenue Upper Montclair Watchung Avenue Walnut Street Bay Street Glen Ridge Bloomfield Watsessing Avenue Ampere Newark-Broad St Harrison Secaucus JCT New York Penn station Pascack Valley line Hoboken Terminal Secaucus JCT Wood-Ridge Teterboro Essex Street - Hackensack Railroad Ave JCT - Hackensack Anderson Street - Hackensack New Bridge Landing River Edge Oradell Emerson Westwood Hillsdale Woodcliff Lake Park Ridge Montvale Pearl River Pfizer Plant Nanuet Spring Valley Monsey Airmont East Suffern Hillburn Port Jervis line Hoboken Terminal Secaucus JCT Paterson Ridgewood Suffern Hillburn Sloatsburg Tuxedo Harriman Salisbury Mills-Cornwall Campbell Hall Middletown-Town of Wallkill Otisville Port Jervis Main Line Hoboken Secaucus JCT Kingsland Lyndhurst Delawanna Passaic Clifton Paterson North Paterson Hawthorne Transit Center Glen Rock Ridgewood Ho-Ho-Kus Waldwick Allendale Ramsey-Main St. Ramsey-Route 17 Mahwah Suffern Hillburn Bergen line Hoboken Terminal Secaucus JCT Rutherford Wesmont Garfield Plaunderville Broadway - Fair Lawn Radburn - Fair Lawn Glen Rock Boro Hall Ridgewood Ho-Ho-Kus Waldwick Allendale Ramsey-Main St. Ramsey-Route 17 Mahwah Suffern Proposed lines Jersey Ave Branch West Trenton Transit Center I-95 Park / Ride Pennington Hopewell Belle Mead Hillsborough Millstone Middlebush Jersey Ave Transit Center New Brunswick Edison Metchun Metropark Rahway Linden Midtown Elizabeth North Elizabeth Newark Airport Newark Penn station Secaucus JCT New York Penn Kingsland Branch Hoboken Harrison East Kearny Kingsland Lyndhurst Delawanna Passaic Clifton Paterson North Paterson Hawthorne Transit Center Glen Rock Ridgewood Ho-Ho-Kus Waldwick Allendale Ramsey-Main St. Ramsey-Route 17 Mahwah Suffern Hillburn West Trenton line West Trenton Transit Center I-95 Park / Ride Pennington Hopewell Belle Mead Hillsborough Bridgewater Bound Brook Dunellen Plainfield Netherwood Fanwood Westfield Garwood Cranford Roselle Park Union Newark Penn station Hoboken West Shore line Hoboken Terminal or New York Penn Station Secaucus JCT Secaucus Road - Jersey City North Bergen Transit Center Vince Lombradi Park & Ride Ridgefield Park Cedar Lane - Teaneck West Englewood Bergenfield Haworth Harrington Park Tappan Blauvelt Valley Cottage Congers Haverstraw Stony Point Bear Mountain Highland Falls West Point Cornwall on Hudson Newburgh Milton Kingston Cape May Branch Philadelphia-30th Street Station Pennsauken Transit Center Cherry Hill Lindenwood Atco Woodbine Cape May Courthouse Rio Grande North Cape May Cape May Mount Holly Branch Philadelphia-30th Street Station Pennsauken Transit Center Maple Shade Moorestown Hainesport Mount Holly Lambertville Branch Lambertville Ringoes Flemington Three Bridges Manville Bridgewater Bound Brook Dunellen Plainfield Netherwood Fanwood Westfield Garwood Cranford Roselle Park Union Newark Penn station Hoboken (Peak Hours only) Pompton Branch Butler I-287 Park / Ride Pompton Plains Pequannock Wayne Town Center Mountain View-Wayne Wayne-Route 23 Little Falls Montclair State University Montclair Heights Mountain Avenue Upper Montclair Watchung Avenue Walnut Street Benson Street Rowe Street North Newark Arlington West Arlington Laurel Hill State Park Hoboken Northwest Rail Link Hamburg (Limited) Franklin (Limited) Sparta Ogdenburg Butler I287 Park & Ride Pompton Lakes Oakland Franklin Lakes Wyckoff Midland Park Hawthrone North Paterson Broadway - Paterson Vreeland Ave - Paterson Elmwood Park Saddle Brook Maywood Midtown Hackensack Ridgefield Park Vince Lombradi Park & Ride North Bergen Transit Center Secaucus Road - Jersey City Hoboken Terminal MOM Network Red Bank Branch Manchester / Lakehurst Jackson Lakewood Howell - Glen Road Howell - Route 33 Eatontown Red Bank Middletown Hazlet Aberdeen-Matawan Laurence Harbor South Amboy Perth Amboy Woodbridge Avenel Rahway Linden Broad St. Elizabeth North Elizabeth Newark Airport Newark Penn Hoboken Jamesburg Branch Manchester / Lakehurst Jackson Lakewood Howell - Glen Road Freehold Freehold Boro - Throckmorton Street Manalapan Jamesburg South Brunswick Jersey Ave (Southbound only) New Brunswick Edison Metchun Metropark Rahway Linden Midtown Elizabeth North Elizabeth Newark Airport Newark Penn station Secaucus JCT New York Penn Matawan Branch Manchester / Lakehurst Jackson Lakewood Howell - Glen Road Freehold Freehold Boro - Jackson Street Marlboro Morganville Aberdeen-Matawan Laurence Harbor South Amboy Perth Amboy Woodbridge Avenel Rahway Linden Broad St. Elizabeth North Elizabeth Newark Airport Newark Penn Hoboken South Amboy Branch Manchester / Lakehurst Jackson Lakewood Howell - Glen Road Freehold Freehold Boro - Throckmorton Street Manalapan Jamesburg Helmetta Spotswood Route 18 Park & Ride Madison Park South Amboy Perth Amboy Woodbridge Avenel Rahway Linden Broad St. Elizabeth North Elizabeth Newark Airport Newark Penn Hoboken Highland Branch Atlantic Highlands Port Monmouth Keansburg Keyport Aberdeen Laurence Harbor South Amboy Perth Amboy Woodbridge Avenal Rahway Linden Elizabeth North Elizabeth Newark Airport Newark Penn Station Secaucus JCT Newark Penn Station |
I recently passed the West Haven Station construction site. Very nice.
Metro North will have three major new stations on the easternmost part of the New Haven line. Fairfield Metro, which opened last year, was first, then comes West Haven, and I forgot the third. Each station costs roughly $200 million, so these are major investments, with big parking facilities, adjacent space for transit-oriented development and the like. These stations are very important, because current ridership is constrained by parking issues at many existing stations. |
I wonder, why aren't the New Haven Line and Shore Line East combined? The Shore Line's zapped all the way to Boston, after all, and the M8s are equipped to handle both the old New Haven zapping and new Amtrak zapping.
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The MTA and CT negotiated for years on expansion, but it never worked out. So the Shore Line East is Conn DOT, though the trains are coordinated with Metro North service, and some trains run all the way to Stamford. Similarly, the upcoming service from New Haven past Hartford will be Conn DOT, though service will be coordinated with Metro North. There's also the proposed Danbury expansion (first only to New Milford), and Metro North and CT have been negotiating over this. I think this extension, if built, may end up being Metro North. It runs right along the NY State border and would really serve population in both states. |
ALP-45DP Locomotive
In Service : 2012 - Present Manufacturer : Bombardier Transportation Number built : 26 Maximum speed : 100 mph (161 km/h) for Diesel & 125mph (201 km/h) for Electric Electric system(s) : 25kV 60 Hz, 12.5 kV 60 Hz, 12kV 25 Hz Current collection method : Pantograph http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8005/7...4e892b40_b.jpg Ready to Depart by ns3010, on Flickr http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5145/5...98ed0689_b.jpg NJT ALP-45 DP by PeetThePhotographer, on Flickr http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7246/7...c72efdff_b.jpg (New Jersey Transit) 2011-12 Bombardier ALP-45DP Dual-Powered Locomotive #4509 by tloganjr, on Flickr |
Ive decided to add the Long Island Railroad....
Long Island Island Railroad Long Term Plans & Proposals - 2050 https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...01329,1.674042 City Terminal Division Atlantic Branch Atlantic Terminal Nostrand Avenue East New York Woodhaven Junction Jamaica 110 Ave Foch Boulevard Locust Manor Laurelton Rosedale Valley Stream Western Network Main line New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Forest Hills Kew Gardens Jamaica Hollis Francis Lewis Boulevard Queens Village Floral Park New Hyde Park Merillon Avenue Mineola Carle Place Westbury Hicksville Bethpage Farmingdale Port Washington Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Elmhurst Corona Mets–Willets Point Flushing Main Street Murray Hill Broadway Auburndale Bayside Douglaston Little Neck Great Neck Manhasset Plandome Port Washington Oyster Bay Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal Starting in 2019) Jamaica Mineola East Williston Albertson Roslyn Greenvale Glen Head Sea Cliff Glen Street Glen Cove Locust Valley Oyster Bay Babylon Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Forest Hills Kew Gardens Jamaica Saint Albans Farmers Boulevard Valley Stream Lynbrook Rockville Centre Baldwin Freeport Merrick Bellmore Wantagh Seaford Massapequa Massapequa Park Amityville Copiague Lindenhurst Babylon West Hempstead Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal Starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Forest Hills Kew Gardens Jamaica Saint Albans Farmers Boulevard Valley Stream Westwood Malverne Lakeview Hempstead Gardens West Hempstead Hempstead Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal Starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Forest Hills Kew Gardens Jamaica Hollis Francis Lewis Boulevard Queens Village Floral Park Stewart Manor Nassau Boulevard Garden City Country Life Press Hempstead Oyster Bay Branch Extension New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal Starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Forest Hills Kew Gardens Jamaica Saint Albans Farmers Boulevard Valley Stream Westwood Malverne Lakeview Hempstead Gardens West Hempstead Hillton Ave Stewart Ave East Williston Albertson Roslyn Greenvale Glen Head Sea Cliff Glen Street Glen Cove Locust Valley Oyster Bay Central Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal Starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Forest Hills Kew Gardens Jamaica Hollis Francis Lewis Boulevard Queens Village Floral Park Stewart Manor Nassau Boulevard Garden City Nassau Hub - East Garden City East Meadow Levittown Hicksville Road - Levittown Hempstead Turnpike - Farmingdale Main Street - Farmingdale North Lindenhurst Babylon Coastal Network Far Rockaway Branch Atlantic Terminal Nostrand Avenue East New York Jamaica 110 Ave Foch Boulevard Locust Manor Laurelton Rosedale Valley Stream Gibson Hewlett Woodmere Cedarhurst Lawrence Inwood Far Rockaway Long Beach Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal Starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Jamaica Lynbrook Centre Avenue East Rockaway Oceanside Island Park Long Beach Rockaway Beach Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Rego Park South Woodhaven Ozone Park Howard Beach Board Channel Rockaway Beach Eastern Divison Montauk Branch Long Island City Penny Bridge Haberman Fresh Pond Glendale Richmond Hill Jamaica Saint Albans Farmers Boulevard Valley Stream Lynbrook Rockville Centre Baldwin Freeport Merrick Bellmore Wantagh Seaford Massapequa Massapequa Park Amityville Copiague Lindenhurst Babylon Bay Shore Islip Great River Oakdale Sayville Patchogue Bellport Mastic – Shirley Speonk Westhampton Hampton Bays Southampton Bridgehampton East Hampton Amagansett Montauk Greenport Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Jamaica New Hyde Park Mineola Westbury Hicksville Farmingdale Ronkonkoma Medford Yaphank Riverhead Mattituck Southold Greenport Port Jefferson Branch New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Jamaica New Hyde Park Mineola Westbury Hicksville Syosset Cold Spring Harbor Huntington Greenlawn Northport Kings Park Smithtown St. James Stony Brook Port Jefferson Wading River Extension New York Penn Station (Grand Central Terminal starting in 2019) Sunnyside JCT Woodside Jamaica New Hyde Park Mineola Westbury Hicksville Syosset Cold Spring Harbor Huntington Greenlawn Northport Kings Park Smithtown St. James Stony Brook Port Jefferson Mount Sinai Miller Place Rocky Point Shoreham Wading River JFK AirTrain JFK Airtrain - Trunk line Jamaica Liberty Ave Linden Boulevard Rockaway Boulevard Federal Circle Terminal 1 Terminal 2 & 3 Terminal 4 Terminal 5 Terminal 7 Terminal 8 JFK Airtrain - Howard Beach Branch Howard Beach Lefferts Boulevard Federal Circle Terminal 1 Terminal 2 & 3 Terminal 4 Terminal 5 Terminal 7 Terminal 8 JFK Airtrain - Howard Beach - Jamaica line Howard Beach Lefferts Boulevard Rockaway Boulevard Linden Boulevard Liberty Ave Jamaica |
I think you should focus more on inner lines, and not on additional suburban extensions. The only people who you're going to get on the trains if everything just expresses to one or two Manhattan terminals without any inter-agency integration are peak-hour suburban commuters, and those will drive 10 kilometers to the better park-and-ride.
So, since we're talking long-term, here's what needs to happen: 1. Fares and timetables between the agencies should be integrated, including through-running whenever reasonably possible. Maybe for scheduling reasons it's not the best to have trains run through from New London to Newark, DE, but at least run through from New Haven to Trenton, from New London to New York, from New York to Philadelphia, etc. This means through-running even when it's claimed to be impossible now - we're talking about future rolling stock, and honestly even existing trains can be modified at much lower cost than it costs to build a Manhattan cavern. 1a. Integrated fares and tickets include urban rail and the buses. Best industry practice is to let people ride from Oyster Bay to Carteret, involving a bus, a train, a connecting train, and another bus, on one ticket, with all connections timed. This includes the subway, too - i.e. there should be a unified Far Rockaway station with timed LIRR-subway transfers. (By the way, most rail scheduling innovations that Americans think are impossible to adhere to happen every day thousands of times in Germany, Switzerland, and Japan.) 2. Signaling on the central segments should allow high capacity. Something like SACEM on the RER A is a good example: moving-block signaling in the congested core, standard fixed-block signaling on the branches. Given that Penn Station has more than just one track per direction funneling into the NJT tunnel, 30-32 tph should be achievable. 3. All trains should be EMUs, and future orders should also reduce the weight. FRA regulations have no relationship to actual safety needs and can and should be ignored in favor of more modern rules. 4. Either subsequent orders should allow multi-voltage trains, so that there's rolling stock for any reasonable through-running, or everything should be reelectrified at 25 kV 60 Hz (and the NEC definitely should be so reelectrified, for the benefit of intercity trains). 5. Major suburban stations should not be park-and-ride hell, but instead there should be TOD within a pleasant walking distance. Hicksville is quite close to a large mall, but both the station and the mall are surrounded by parking, and so pretty much nobody takes the LIRR into Hicksville, just from Hicksville. 6. Off-peak frequency should be at worst 10-15 minutes at the urban stations and 30 minutes on the branches. To reduce operating costs, conductors should be replaced with a light rail-style honor system, and off-peak trains could also be shorter. 7. Few trains should be stabled in New York itself. Land for yards is cheaper at the outer terminals of the lines. 8. Physical extensions should be based on the needs of inner suburb-to-inner suburb travel, and also on those of urban travel. Lower Montauk is useless without a connection to Manhattan; stick a fork in it. But frequent-stop through-service between Newark and Jamaica is more useful. Based on funding, additional lines should be built in Manhattan connecting stub-end terminals like Hoboken and Flatbush, and even Grand Central and St. George. Note, by the way, that the extensions are last on the list. There's a reason for this: they're less important than the concept of running commuter rail more like longer-range rapid transit and less like a 1930s-era suburban shuttle to the CBD. If you have just the extensions, you get SEPTA today, rather than what SEPTA was trying to become in the early 1980s. |
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1.- I don't know about merging fares , that's a touchy topic in the Rail Community up here.... 1a,- I do agree that Fares should be integrated and made easier , there was a plan to merge all the fares between NJT & the PATH and Private buses , but that's fallen silent lately. That would have boosted Ridership and made traveling easier , it was to be a smart card system with fare gates at certain stations and points. Same is Proposed for the MTA and NY agencies along with CT , haven't heard much lately. But its badly needed... 2,- There in the Process of upgrading the Signals which will double the amount of trains , my line was upgraded and went from a few trains during peak hrs to 30 trains a day bi-directional. There almost done with that in NJ and NY (MNRR) , the LIRR hasn't done it yet. 3,- The Plan is to buy new EMUs for the smaller branches and future MOM Rail network in NJ and Kingsland branch....there rumored to be Bi-level EMU's similar to Metra EMU's which disgusts me. Its your worst nightmare , the Bi-levels in NJ have had a history of derailing due to there weight...A Single level Dual EMU would be a better choice. 4 , - the Plan is to bring everyone up to 25 kV 60 Hz at least in NJ , CT and NY by 2025....and 2030 to DC....the Newer M8's can switch from various voltages except the Hell Gate Voltage which will be switched by 2025 with upgrades and Penn Station Access. 5,- Relax alot of those Suburban Hells will be transformed into TOD paradises over the decade , Plans have been drawn up the largest one will be in Edison,NJ , Harrison is another huge one along with Jamaica and Jersey City TOD's. They are drawing up plans for another horror show which is unnecessary if the MOM network were to be built and that is North Brunswick station along the NEC. It would include 4 huge Parking's and some TOD but is unnecessary with a MOM Extension and Jersey Avenue Branch Extension. Most stations are not Suburban hells but integrated into the Railroad Suburbs around them. Recently past 15 years NJT has only expanded Highway Park and Rides or built them , not suburban stations which the towns seem to agree with. A lot of these Park Rides can support TOD , which would make up for the below average ridership. 6,- Conductors shouldn't be completly removed but reduced to 1 or 2 per train , which will keep riders safe and collect fares. The honor system does not work in this region , and costs NJT and the MTA millions , more so then to employ Conductors. 7,- I don't understand this one , most trains are stored outside of NY except on weekends....most lines have 2 or 3 yards.... 8,- A lot of those Extensions above are badly needed , bus system can no longer be used as a primary mode of Transit in these areas , Rail needs to restored or Expanded. Same with the Inner Urban areas , the backlog of Light Rail & Subway Extensions or Restorations is causing Bus Capacity issues , there's a lot of overcrowding in Brooklyn , Newark , Jersey City and the Inner suburbs... The Light Rail Extensions could shift the weight and make it balanced... |
If you add up all the people whose commute crosses New York - for example, from anywhere in Jersey to Brooklyn, Queens, and Long Island - you get about 200,000 people, i.e. 400,000 weekday trips. The reason those infill stations (and the extra connections, and the integrated fares and schedules) are important is that they make it easier to take rail to secondary job centers. To Manhattan practically everyone rides trains anyway; the only major exception is the GWB commute shed, and that's a problem of the Erie Lines not serving Manhattan directly and Secaucus being an awful transfer with multiple level changes and internal faregates.
Commuter volumes also drop precipitously as distance grows. So of the above 200,000 people, if you e.g. look at those who work in Queens, there are 30,000, of whom 17,000 live in Westchester, Staten Island, Bergen County, and Hudson County, and another 5,000 live in Essex, Rockland, Middlesex, and Monmouth Counties. MOM and other outbound extensions are useful to a small subset of these; being able to make the commute on one train, or two trains with a relatively tame connection, is much more useful. The West Shore Line and the Northern Branch both serve relatively strong suburban markets, to both Manhattan and the job centers to its south and east, but the other possible extensions aren't as important. Few people live along the West Trenton Line, for instance. Now, 1. There are no plans for a fare union between urban transit and commuter rail on the New York side, or for one between NJT and the MTA agencies. Yeah, I know not everyone thinks it's necessary. But unified, mode-neutral fares is how European cities have done their transit revival. (North American ones, too - all bus, ferry, and SkyTrain fares are integrated in Greater Vancouver; the commuter rail fares are separate, but they're a tiny portion of systemwide ridership.) 2. That's on the branches, not in the main trunk tunnels. NJT was planning and Amtrak is planning a tunnel to relieve the North River Tunnels, with no plans to increase throughput on the existing tunnels using better signaling. 3. NJT is still buying locomotives. It's even buying dual-mode locos, at much higher cost and weight than is normal, because electrifying the Erie Lines is for wimps, or something. Really, the only lines that have any business staying diesel in 2050 are Harlem north of Southeast and Waterbury, both of which have approximately zero riders and not enough of a commute market to dense or densifiable CBDs (including even secondary ones like White Plains) to matter 4. Are there concrete funded plans, or wishlists similar to Amtrak's 25 kV wishlists from the 1970s and 80s? 5. TOD is hit or miss. Stamford has some plans, which the local commuters are up at arms about because they think they're entitled to a parking garage right at the station. Hicksville doesn't have any that I know of - instead it recently rebuilt the garage for about $25,000 per spot, which is about as much as the per-rider cost of Second Avenue Subway. Ronkonkoma doesn't have any, either. The LIRR generally lags, what with the one-way rush-hour operation (which is not required by current traffic, as long as one is willing to give up express trains). But Mineola, which is somewhat better, manages to get a couple hundred more eastbound am disembarkings than Hicksville. 6. Conductors are not necessary for anything except makework. Somehow, the French, the Germans, the Swiss, the Dutch, and every light rail and BRT system in the US manage to do with POP, and the safety record is generally better than on US mainline rail (thanks, Metra). Even Caltrain and Metrolink do POP, but they retain conductors because That's How We've Always Done It. At the staffing levels appropriate for a country with first-world wages, the correct number of employees per train is 1, and 0 for a closed rapid transit system. 7. LIRR trains are stabled in Manhattan west of Penn Station, and NJT trains at Sunnyside Yard, for the midday off-peak. ARC Alt G actually included a Manhattan yard expansion, never mind that it was going to connect Penn Station with Grand Central, which is basically a railyard with a train station annex. 8. Sure, but not every rail expansion is needed. For example, the Northwest Rail Link just splits frequency with more useful lines in the inner parts, and serves lightly populated regions farther out. Not every rail line needs to host commuter rail - you want to make sure the lines have reasonable enough frequency. For example, one of my commenters, Anon256, is already complaining that I'm proposing 5 branches going into an Erie tunnel to Lower Manhattan (Northern, West Shore, Pascack Valley, Bergen County, main), which would cut frequency to those lines to avoid saturating the tunnel. |
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1. As far as I know its in the talking phases , of course that means on the NY side its a decade away. NJ I wouldn't know we were supposed to have it by now , but they went with a stupid google wallet which people hate. 2. No thats on the trunks , they've started removing signals from the Morristown line , Coast line due having installing PTC....which makes Rail Photography harder....:hell: 3. After the 45s , I think they'll stop. They have plans on buying EMUS and DMUS to replace branch line services.... But your right there too lazy to Electrify everything even though it be cheaper in the long run. It was estimated at 1.3 Billion for NJT and MNRR west of the Hudson back in 2000. The 45s cost 540 Million.... The Waterbury Branch is the only line I can see being Electric by 2050 , even the Northern Harlem line will have enough service to justify Electrification due to a few large scale TOD projects. 4 , As far as I know , the New Haven line will be brought 25kv once the upgrades are done which will be 2020. The Hell Gate around the same time , then the Gateway Project , and down to New Brunswick by 2025 which means from New Haven to Morrisville by 2025 or Boston to Morrisville. 5. , Stamford wouldn't be whining and bitching if they would just built the streetcar network , which would reduce the need for the garage which is moving and not being eliminated but its Connecticut and thats enough to cause an uproar. Hicksville has a TOD Plan , so do a few towns on Long Island. Stamford , Bridgeport , New Haven , West Haven and Norwalk have plans for TOD.... Most towns have a plan in New Jersey. |
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