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the 2nd city of the midwest is going to be a tricky one. detroit is big, but doesn't have much reach/hinterland outside of michigan and wasn't a "gateway city" running its own railroads and banking spheres between the east coast and the mountains...and became big for very specific industrial reasons, so it never laid the groundwork as an important trans-midwestern "power" like chicago did. the twin cities DOES have that historical and contemporary reach but is also super isolated up there relatively speaking, takes me about the same amount of time to get to NEW ORLEANS from st. louis. i'd argue that there simply is no 2nd city of the midwest...that's not to say that there are no good arguments for one, or certainly for one at certain points in the past, but i'm not feeling it in st. louis at this time. |
^ in the context of the thread, many people are using "2nd city" as the 2nd largest, or 2nd most important (as measured by GDP) city.
by the measures of size and economy, detroit is the midwest's 2nd city. but the twin cities are creeping up on the motor city, and growing faster. 2017 MSA population detroit: 4,313,002 twin cities: 3,600,618 2010-2017 MSA pop. growth detroit: 0.39% twin cities: 7.52% 2017 MSA GDP detroit: $252.691 Billion twin cities: $246.689 Billion |
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Otherwise, there is no other city that really comes close, on any metric. |
Don't forget that Detroit has its oft-forgotten Canadian counterpart, which adds another 350,000 people to the Metro, putting it easily at a million people over MSP.
It's where 19-year-olds go to party. |
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You might have street viewed it for a little while if you've never gone over there yet. That's the main retail street in town. It is entirely pedestrian, all along. You'll notice these 2 fast food restaurants are located at the crossing of 2 main streets downtown, and there's a Starbucks to the opposite sidewalk, facing them. Ha. These US international fast food chains often occupy primary spots because they've got some significant financial means to back them. Bah, there's nonetheless plenty of independent restaurants all around, so you'd easily find more entertaining and original things. |
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It's a very fascinating place, and I would consider living there again for sure |
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if the current growth rates so far this decade continue (admittedly, that's a GIGANTIC "if"), the twin cities MSA would overtake the detroit MSA in ~16 years. i'm not saying it's gonna happen that soon, but the gap has been closing quicker than i think some people realize. |
Depending on the sector you work in, Minneapolis already eclispses Detroit in many respects. Detroit has more soul but Minneapolis is a much more important services economy business center. Detroit has autos, Minneapolis has a lot of medtech, etc.
But “second city of the Midwest” is a silly concept anyway because the Midwest isn’t a discrete economy or culture. |
^ MSP also has a much, much stronger core than Detroit. And that's the going thing today. Central city living is much more appealing to the professional youngsters.
Even through Detroit is seeing a lot of reinvestment downtown, it has way more ground to recover, whereas MSP's twin downtowns have been going at it for decades without any significant disinvestment issues. |
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minneapolis lost a good deal of old school urban fabric to urban renewal in the postwar period. it wasn't nearly as extreme as the evisceration of pre-war detroit, but it saw a significant loss of traditional urban fabric none-the-less (just like all midwest cities). |
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metro areas, states, megalopolises, micro-regions, macro-regions, nations, continents, the globe. there is no definitive "2nd city" of any other city unless we first establish the scale talking about. as for the midwest, i don't think anyone could make a credible argument that chicago isn't the "1st city" of the region. as for what chicago's "2nd city" is, depending on the scale, you could answer naperville, peoria, milwaukee, or detroit, and maybe minneapolis in the future. |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...c_sign.svg.png the only other city that has that kind of sprawling reach (on a smaller population scale) is minneapolis-st. paul, although you could really argue the canadian border aspect of detroit, which probably is an understated feature of metro detroit. |
As some have already pointed out, Brazil's second city in population- Rio de Janeiro- about half the population of São Paulo is the country's cultural capital without question.
Most television production comes from Rio, as well as lots of music. São Paulo, however, has been catching up recently in terms of entertainment and is certainly financially stronger than Rio de Janeiro. There will likely always be a rivalry between the two cities, as Rio is poised to grow tremendously when the oil industry there is finally in full swing. But São Paulo will most likely always be larger, as Rio as little space to grow since it's smashed between mountains and ocean. Brasilia is growing at breakneck pace, and it's possible that in a few decades that it be the second Brazilian metropolis in population, passing Rio. But time will only let us know if this will happen. |
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News to me. |
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