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raisethehammer Mar 10, 2007 8:11 PM

it is true though - Hamilton airport looks like a hospital cafeteria.
That pic of the Thunder Bay airport at least looks like a small version of a real airport.
YHM needs to add a second floor or blow off the roof and raise it by 10 or 15 feet and get something other than the tubes of florescant lighting like a call centre office area.
The pics of new areas and eateries look great...hopefully they'll keep renovating the place.

the dude Mar 10, 2007 8:14 PM

those ambassadors would be more effective if they were younger and sexier. just my opinion. perhaps they ought to open up a hooters at the airport. it wouldn't affect the number of passengers but there would be a lot more people hangin' around up there. :haha:

fastcarsfreedom Mar 11, 2007 2:29 AM

YHM's so-called "ugly" terminal came courtesy of a Liberal federal government who tossed John Munro some money as a favor for his loyalty--and invested those dollars in an airport that was built to fail. It was in a corn field with meagre highway access, short runways amidst an era of airline regulation that prevented tangible growth. I have nothing at all against Thunder Bay--but really, it's apples and oranges. Thunder Bay is isolated--far away from competing airports--and really in a position where air travel is the only viable way in and out of town for most travellers.

Hamilton's sucesses, the reason I celebrate a revamped screening area or a new Tim Hortons, is because they are hard-fought, hard-won sucesses--by sweat equity and in spite of all the obstacles that have held back the airport for so long. The terminal might have a low ceiling or "hospital cafeteria" ambience--but you know, that's no excuse at all for still using YYZ while complaining about lack of service at YHM. Nice looking airports are great--but the utilitarian models work just as well.

It wasn't long ago there was a single airline and nothing but silence in that terminal--hell, at one point, even the single restaurant closed up. Y'all might not like the ceiling or the sexiness of the ambassadors--but I'm thrilled--I've wanted that place to thrive for so long--it's wonderful to finally see it happen.

Hammer Town Mar 11, 2007 4:59 AM

Wow I love seeing these pics of the Terminal. I know I will be there welcoming Flyglobespan to Hamilton on May 1st its already booked off.

The 24-06 will probably be expanded to 10,000 ft. If you go to flyhi.ca and look at the Master Plan that is near the bottom on the left you can see some of the details the they want to see for the future.

As far as DC-10s coming the YHM it has already happened with Cargo, Arrow air brought one in. 747s have been in as well an AN-124s.

If Flyglobespan ever actually does some sort of Advertising they will do well other wise they may struggle unless they have high loads from the UK which they have said this is the case.

As far as loads in general I sometimes wonder if the Arrogance of people outside of the Hammer regarding the view of the city as a whole is the same reason people chose to drive past Hamilton airport to get to Pearson. I sometimes get frustrated when I talk to people even in Hamilton who tell me they drove to Pearson to Catch a Westjet flight to Calgary. It drives me bonkers.

I was doing a co-op with Westjet dring there busiest time here in Hamilton and they had great loads on just about every flight from Hamilton. Too Bad the GTAA gave them a nice deal to lure them away but thats a differant topic for a differant day.

One last thing. I think that Hamilton should change the airport to the Hamilton-Niagara International Airport. With so many people going to Niagara Falls every year this should be something to focus on.


Anyway Long live the Hammer and YHM

p.s. I like this thread as I know alot more about the Airport then Downtown.

LikeHamilton Mar 12, 2007 12:44 AM

I do like this video produced by Hamilton International Airport.

http://www.flyhi.ca/about/v-cargo.shtml

LikeHamilton Mar 12, 2007 2:29 PM

The Original Plans for the Hamilton International Airport Terminal Expansion

I have found some of the plans for the original airport expantion. I am still looking for the floor plans.

Quote:

Hamilton International Terminal Expansion – Key Facts

Phase 1

Time Frame - Currently underway through to end of 2002

Major Work
· Terminal renovation and expansion to provide interim increase in check-in and bag claim capacity
· New covered walkways on apron
· Aircraft apron expansion
· Access road realignment and car park expansion
· Initial design work for new terminal
· Hangar demolition and other site preparation
Capacity at Completion
· Up to 7 aircraft gates (apron access)
· 1.4 million passengers annually

Phase 2

Time Frame - Spring 2003 to Spring 2004
Major Work
· Construction of first portion of new terminal to west of existing terminal, providing new arrivals facilities
· Additional apron construction
· Realigned exit road and additional parking expansion
Capacity at Completion
· 9 gates
· 2.3 million passengers annually

Phase 3

Time Frame - Spring 2004 to Spring 2005
Major Work
· Partial demolition of eastern side of existing terminal
· Construction of second portion of new terminal to east of existing terminal, providing new check-in facilities
· Final apron and taxiway construction
· Final reconfiguration of terminal curbs
Capacity at Completion
· 15 gates
· 4 million passengers annually

Phase 4

Time Frame - Spring 2005 to Spring 2006
Major Work
· Demolition of remaining portion of existing terminal
· Construction of final portion of new terminal linking previously completed arrival and departure halls
Capacity at Completion
· 15 gates
· Up to 5 million passengers annually
Legend

Orange – New phase work

Blue – Completed

Green – Original Terminal still standing

Purple – Demolition


Phase 1 - 2001 to 2002

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8519/phase1wi2.jpg

Phase 2 - Spring 2003 to Spring 2004

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8469/phase2vx7.jpg

Phase 3 - Spring 2004 to Spring 2005

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7491/phase3un8.jpg

Phase 4 - Spring 2005 to Spring 2006

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/981/phase4pd3.jpg

Site Plan

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5936/sitezz6.jpg

You can see in phase 4 the original terminal is the small orange part. It is small compared to the new terminal.
Some parts where completed out of order. They did do all of the parking lot. At the time they released the plans, they where trying to decide whether or not to building a parking garage.

:(

LikeHamilton Mar 12, 2007 2:36 PM

And how the John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport is sold in the UK.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9...rontoadga4.jpg

SteelTown Mar 12, 2007 2:55 PM

Thanx! Now we can sort of get an idea of what the airport might look in the future.

Phase 1 is already done right? Did they demolition that hanger to the west?

Think we'll ever see Phase 2 within this decade?

Now which runway does the airport want to expand? Looking at the site plan I see two runways labeled 12 to 30 and another labeled 90 to 24. Which of those runways will eventually get expanded?

LikeHamilton Mar 12, 2007 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelTown (Post 2682401)
Thanx! Now we can sort of get an idea of what the airport might look in the future.

Phase 1 is already done right? Most of it.
Did they demolition that hanger to the west? Not yet
Think we'll ever see Phase 2 within this decade? If Flyglobespan goes well they may start next year (2008)
Now which runway does the airport want to expand? Looking at the site plan I see two runways labeled 12 to 30 and another labeled 90 to 24. Which of those runways will eventually get expanded? You read it from the ends so it is 06/24 and this is the one they will have to lengthen. They will have to move Airport Rd also.

:)

vid Mar 12, 2007 6:04 PM

Looks ambitious. :) Any renderings of the terminals?

fastcarsfreedom Mar 12, 2007 6:51 PM

I'm not sure what the "official" status is of that redevelopment plan, but you'll recall that the major engineering/consultantcy company ARUP designed that terminal expansion--I imagine that cost TradePort some coin--so I'd anticipate that terminal design/plan surviving.

Depending on the airport's traffic in the next couple of years that ball could get rolling again--perhaps with bickering over additional land for surface parking they could look at a parking deck and a split-level roadway system to serve the terminal.

Hammer Town Mar 12, 2007 7:35 PM

Here is a more recent Master Plan.

Its a fairly large PDF Flight but pretty nteresting to read.

http://www.flyhi.ca/pdf/amp_update.pdf

SteelTown Mar 12, 2007 9:37 PM

Pretty sure there was an article about 2 weeks ago saying Tradeport bought a piece of land across from Airport Road for more surface parking. So I guess a parking structure is out of the question for now.

--------------------------------------------------------

Councillor balks at TradePort's parking proposal

By Stories by Steve Buist
The Hamilton Spectator
(Feb 20, 2007)

A numbered company owned by the same people who operate Hamilton's airport has bought a chunk of land for more than $3.4 million to build a parking lot across the road from John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport.

The property of approximately 25 hectares was purchased on Dec. 14 by 2113522 Ontario Inc., which has the same ownership structure in the same proportions as TradePort International Corporation, which operates the airport under a 40-year lease with the city.

Richard Koroscil, president and CEO of both TradePort and 2113522 Ontario Inc., said the land purchase was funded by the numbered company's shareholders and not from TradePort International.

Koroscil said the numbered company was created because there could have been a potential conflict if TradePort owned the newly acquired land, which isn't within the airport boundary.

TradePort had asked the city to purchase the parcel last year and add it to the airport so that TradePort could develop more parking.

"(The city) had decided that they didn't want to do that at the time," said Koroscil.

"Our concern was that we didn't have a lot of time because of the expansion that was taking place in terms of our business," he added, "so rather than getting caught down the road without having the facilities to expand the parking facility, we moved ahead and purchased it."

TradePort is still hopeful that the city will consider buying the land from the numbered company.

Ward 5 Councillor Chad Collins, a vocal critic of the airport lease, said such a deal "makes no sense financially." Hamilton owns the airport and the land it sits on while TradePort's role is to operate the airport, which includes collecting landing fees, passenger fees and rent from tenants.

TradePort is responsible for developing business at the airport, including the parking lot that already exists, as well as the cost of capital improvements. Anything that gets built on Hamilton's land becomes the city's property when the lease runs out.

The lease with TradePort stipulates that the city is only responsible for purchasing land that would be directly needed for a runway expansion.

"My direction right now is to purchase land for the extension of the runway and that's all I've gotten direction to do," said Guy Paparella, the city's director of airport development. "If (Koroscil) approaches us, obviously we have to consider it and put it in front of council and see what they think."

SteelTown Mar 12, 2007 9:53 PM

I'm getting confused with all these runways news. I know right now the City is paying $10 million for land acquisitions (Hamilton International Airport Land Acquisitions) around the airport, which will expand runways and taxi ways.

But now there's $4.6 million for another runway expansion? Huh?

I really hope Phase 2 of the airport happens soon. It would give the airport a better appearance and make it more modern.

Hammer Town Mar 13, 2007 3:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelTown (Post 2683315)
I'm getting confused with all these runways news. I know right now the City is paying $10 million for land acquisitions (Hamilton International Airport Land Acquisitions) around the airport, which will expand runways and taxi ways.

But now there's $4.6 million for another runway expansion? Huh?

I really hope Phase 2 of the airport happens soon. It would give the airport a better appearance and make it more modern.

Im pretty sure its for the same runway but there were someproblem with the land purchase the city only want to pay for the Land for the Runway but Tradeport also wants to put a bigger fuel farm as well as a flight kitchen on some of the same land so the City doesn't want to pay for the land for that as well, only for the Runway. Another problem is that the developers are wanting more money then the land has been appraised at.


As far as the terminal goes the only way we will see continued growth is if we continue to see passenger numbers go up and Flyglobespan sticks around for good. I think this would have to even include for the winter.

I know without a doubt that if the terminal was built into something more modern the number would probably go up even more then they would realise. We have even seen it somewhat proved on the fourm that the looks of the terminal play a larg part in whether or not people will use it.

Anyway there is a lot banking on Flyglobespan sucess.

zerokarma Mar 13, 2007 5:32 PM

Good to hear that Hamilton's airport is growing and starting to prosper, I think there is a lot of opportunities for them to continue growing it there.

LikeHamilton Mar 15, 2007 3:50 PM

Quote:

Vancouver Airport Services

YVR Airport Services Ltd. - subsidiary company of Vancouver Airport Authority



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

VANCOUVER AIRPORT SERVICES



Richmond, B.C. (March 12, 2007): Vancouver Airport Services (YVRAS), finalised the purchase of the remaining 37.67% of the shares of Tradeport International Corporation, increasing its ownership from 62.33% to 100%. Tradeport International Corporation has a long-term lease to manage, operate and develop the John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport in Hamilton, Ontario.

As one of the fastest growing airports in Canada for 2006, Hamilton International hosted 527,000 passengers, 74,500 aircraft movements and 86,000 tonnes of cargo. The Airport offers regular scheduled service on Air Canada and WestJet as well as seasonal charters to international sunshine destinations and Europe. In addition, the award-winning airline flyglobespan will commence three daily flights this summer to numerous destinations in the UK. The Airport is Canada’s busiest inter-modal freight airport with regular service by Purolator, UPS and CargoJet.

The John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport is owned by the City of Hamilton. In 1995, the city purchased the airport lands and buildings from Transport Canada. In 1996, the city transferred management of the airport to the private sector following a competitive tender process. TradePort International Corporation was awarded a 40-year lease to develop and manage the airport, with YVRAS as a minority shareholder and contracted manager/operator.

George Casey, the President and CEO of YVRAS, stated, “Acquiring the remaining shares is a natural progression for us. We are excited about the continued growth opportunities at the Airport and are committed to working with the City of Hamilton and other key stakeholders to further develop the Airport as a key economic driver in the region.”

Vancouver Airport Services is owned by the Vancouver International Airport Authority. The company operates 18 airports in 7 countries including Canada, the Dominican Republic, Chile, Jamaica, Turks and Caicos, Cyprus and The Bahamas.

For more information contact:



George Casey

Vancouver Airport Services

Tel: 604 276 6060

Fax: 604 276 6070

George_casey@yvr.ca
Maybe we will see more activity and money spent around the airport. I cannot see them spending all that money and not doing something with the airport.

:tup:

SteelTown Mar 15, 2007 8:52 PM

Would you happen to know how much Tony Battaglia got for selling his shares?

I wouldn't be surprised within a few weeks Tony really starts the renovation of the Royal Connaught with that money.

fastcarsfreedom Mar 16, 2007 8:58 PM

Maybe this will change TradePort's access to equity, which has been apparently miserable--most of the improvements they've made have been supported by operations, as opposed to long-term liabilities. Perhaps YVR can more easily go out and borrow a chunk of change to make some major improvements.

Hammer Town Mar 17, 2007 5:32 AM

I hope so they should have more access to funds. Im actually kind of suprised that The City didn't try and stop this from happening.


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