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ucsbgaucho May 23, 2007 6:10 AM

I would think there's someone at some of these papers, the U-T, NC Times, Business Journal, etc that we could email and push them to do a little investigation on the height limit matter, find out whether the city is working on it, who's really holding back, are developers even interested in going higher than 500', etc. Would make for an interesting story!

Derek May 23, 2007 6:14 AM

The Navy and the Marines can stay and should stay. The naval facilities (save thier ugly ones downtown, and luckily they are being replaced) are fine where they are and I love seeing the huge ships in the bay. But Miramar is just such a bad spot for the Marine Corps. I support them, but not where the base is.

spoonman May 23, 2007 6:16 AM

Does anyone have updated pics of Electra, Aria, etc. that can be posted on the Projects forum?

mello May 23, 2007 6:47 AM

Ok here is a more reasonable solution for the Marine Corps to relocate the operations that they perform at Miramar. The March Air Force Reserve (Station/Whatever).... That location is still fairly islolated along the I 15 corridor (or is it 215 always get them confused)

Anyway that airstation is stagnating and in a fairly isolated spot compared to Miramar. Why not shift the operations that are done at Miramar to March??? It seems perfectly reasonable to me. It is still very close to Pendelton. I know that the military always says that they have "symetry" between Miramar and Pendelton, this can be maintained if operations are shifted to March.

Like you all have said we can all "get along" if we compromise, Marines MOVE ON to March and let San Diego grow and prosper. This is also a strategic metro area along the Pacific Rim and Southern California needs another Mega Airport to handle future growth. Imagine LAX and San Diego both pumping out massive amounts of flights, worries will go away and the region can thrive! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :cheers:

Derek May 23, 2007 6:49 AM

I think it's the 215, but anyways...


That is a good idea! I like it. You are a good thinker. Now if we only had more power.:(

Marina_Guy May 23, 2007 2:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmfarley (Post 2852307)
fwiw... the piece in the Voice is an opinion piece. I think some of the information, although may be factual, may tell a different story than reality.

Here are the numbers... Directly from the San Diego Airport Authority's consultant report.

http://www.san.org/airport_authority...st_summary.asp

Maybe someone can find 04, 05 and 06 numbers to see if the pattern has changed. But it looks pretty flat to me...


Commercial Airlines
Air Air Percent
Year Carrier Taxi Subtotal Civil Military Total Change
1980 65,235 28,857 94,092 48,978 3,621 146,691 -
1981 59,497 35,320 94,817 40,200 2,329 137,346 -6.4%
1982 65,447 32,437 97,884 32,985 2,822 133,691 -2.7%
1983 73,531 32,773 106,304 32,778 2,838 141,920 6.2%
1984 88,726 25,417 114,143 34,490 2,899 151,532 6.8%
1985 101,544 23,858 125,402 33,200 3,810 162,412 7.2%
1986 116,677 20,253 136,930 29,278 3,887 170,095 4.7%
1987 127,723 41,027 168,750 25,336 4,097 198,183 16.5%
1988 134,095 41,337 175,432 24,873 4,283 204,588 3.2%
1989 133,060 46,484 179,544 23,525 4,319 207,388 1.4%
1990 132,561 51,984 184,545 23,238 4,531 212,314 2.4%
1991 132,381 49,616 181,997 20,934 4,276 207,207 -2.4%
1992 130,892 54,273 185,165 22,378 5,479 213,022 2.8%
1993 137,879 45,628 183,507 19,860 5,239 208,606 -2.1%
1994 141,968 51,697 193,665 21,536 5,845 221,046 6.0%
1995 138,728 64,198 202,926 19,027 5,041 226,994 2.7%
1996 145,275 57,498 202,773 16,779 6,511 226,063 -0.4%
1997 150,847 54,770 205,617 16,034 2,817 224,468 -0.7%
1998 148,472 56,413 204,885 16,114 2,258 223,257 -0.5%
1999 148,173 56,298 204,471 16,847 1,036 222,354 -0.4%
2000 153,314 37,097 190,411 15,708 770 206,889 -7.0%
2001 148,280 43,808 192,088 13,396 1,504 206,988 0.0%
2002 144,737 45,346 190,083 15,044 1,253 206,380 -0.3%
2003 141,702 45,797 187,499 14,535 1,251 203,285 -1.5%
Average Annual Growth
1980-1990 7.3% 6.1% 7.0% -7.2% 2.3% 3.8%
1990-2002 0.7% -1.1% 0.2% -3.6% -10.2% -0.2%
1980-2002 3.7% 2.1% 3.2% -5.2% -4.7% 1.6%

eburress May 23, 2007 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandiegodweller (Post 2852274)
Where would you suggest that the Naval Pacific Fleet and the Marine Corps relocate?

I'm not saying they all have to leave, but if they did, I don't know or care where they go. About Miramar specifically, I don't think the Marines need to be 7 miles from downtown. Consolidating at Pendleton, some of the other local air stations, or even more inland would serve the same purpose.

dl3000 May 23, 2007 10:07 PM

^Hear hear.

And the article on railroads, that definitely is the future but in America it is harder to pull off, but someday... In the meantime, air travel is up across the board since 9/11 and it will continue to grow, and San Diego is on the outside looking in, until a new multirunway airport is built.

SDDTProspector May 23, 2007 10:35 PM

Three topics.....
 
Topic 1:
Does anyone know what the time for the Fully realized harbor Front Design and why is was not added to the North Embarcadero Visionary Plan that was past a year or two ago? I know it was expensive but it should of been atleast added to the general plan.....

http://www.sasaki.com/what/portfolio...egion=4&page=2

Topic 2:
I have heard of this proposal about a ChinaTown district in Downtown San Diego. I don't know if its in the design stage and just fell off the radar for CCDC, but I did find a link a developer was using.

http://www.fehlmanlabarre.com/#projects


Topic 3:
Is this a backdoor plan if San Diego does not get its airport? A high speed rail system to LA? The guess there are several proposals on the table here one....

http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/

and

01.30.2007
Sasaki On Board as Part of LA-to-San Diego Rail Project
Sasaki Associates is part of a multi-disciplinary team of designers and engineers, led by HNTB Corporation, that was recently chosen to provide design services for the Los Angeles-to-San Diego portion of the California High Speed Rail Project. Sasaki's San Francisco office will provide urban design, station area planning and architectural design services for the team. For more information on this project visit:

http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov

PadreHomer May 23, 2007 10:46 PM

NIMBYS killed Brown Field. A real pity there.

eburress May 23, 2007 11:24 PM

I always really loved that waterfront proposal of theirs. Too bad it never happened.

Derek May 23, 2007 11:28 PM

I really wish downtown had a stronger Chinese influence and a nice little Chinatown. :(

sandiego_urban May 24, 2007 12:59 AM

Just some random stuff I snapped from the webcams today -

Gaslamp
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../gaslamp23.jpg

East Village
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...%203/ev-10.jpg

Another view towards East Village
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...%203/ev-20.jpg

Banker's Hill, looking North towards Hillcrest
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ankers23-1.jpg

The area is starting to show some height, as well.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ankers23-2.jpg

How cool would it be to have a freeway lid here that leads directly into Balboa Park?
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...03/balbo23.jpg

Thank goodness for view corridors
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...203/view23.jpg

A real city shot
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...03/trolley.jpg

Diegan tops out at 23 floors
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...3/diegan23.jpg

A rapidly densifying Little Italy, with the "Evil" airport runway in the background.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../litit23-1.jpg

Enjoy this view now before Bayside and Sapphire go up
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../baysapp23.jpg

5 cranes on 3 blocks (Sapphire Tower, Bayside and Breeza)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...cranes23-2.jpg

Children's Museum construction
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ldrens23-1.jpg

eburress May 24, 2007 1:48 AM

^^ Thanks for posting! It won't be long until Sapphire, Bayside and Breeza make it out of the ground.

stockjock May 24, 2007 2:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2853906)
I really wish downtown had a stronger Chinese influence and a nice little Chinatown. :(

You know, I was just thinking that a couple of days ago. I work near Horton Plaza and took a walk to Little Italy for lunch. I started thinking about New York's Little Italy which is right next to NY's Chinatown. Then I thought, "San Diego has considerable Chinese heritage dating back more than 100 years, particularly in the area south of Market Street and slightly northwest of Morton's Steakhouse. Why don't they make an effort to expand that and turn it into a real Chinatown?"

Derek May 24, 2007 2:27 AM

It seems like Rancho Penasquitos is San Diego's Chinatown! :jester:

There are more chinese sings there than anywhere else in the city.

eburress May 24, 2007 3:54 AM

More than Kearny Mesa or Manila Mesa?

Derek May 24, 2007 3:56 AM

Possibly? I was only making a joke of course and is in no way a fact. :)

bmfarley May 24, 2007 5:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDDTProspector (Post 2853769)
Topic 3:
Is this a backdoor plan if San Diego does not get its airport? A high speed rail system to LA? The guess there are several proposals on the table here one....

http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov

Is this a backdoor plan? Where have you been? The California High Speed Rail Authority is a state agency that has been in existence since 1996; long before Lindbergh was projected to have capacity problems. Their charge has been to examine, plan and design a high speed rail system for California linking all the major city's with trains that can link Socal with Norcal in as little as 2 hours and 30 minutes... or something like that.

With that said, CaHSR will not save San Diego. At best, it will decrease demand for in-state air-travel by shifting it to trains. I don't know.... nor anybody probably knows... is that by how much will it decrease demand at Lindbergh and push back the theoritical year that it supposedly reaches capacity.

edluva May 24, 2007 8:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockjock (Post 2854349)
You know, I was just thinking that a couple of days ago. I work near Horton Plaza and took a walk to Little Italy for lunch. I started thinking about New York's Little Italy which is right next to NY's Chinatown. Then I thought, "San Diego has considerable Chinese heritage dating back more than 100 years, particularly in the area south of Market Street and slightly northwest of Morton's Steakhouse. Why don't they make an effort to expand that and turn it into a real Chinatown?"

because there are no chinese people. cities are organic. remember, NY's, and virtually all other cities' chinatowns evolved, they didn't become chinatowns just because some city planners decided to create a cute little tourist trap 150 years ago.

LA had considerable Italian heritage some 100 yrs ago, but you don't see a little italy now for a good reason - all those italians either assimilated, or dispersed, and italian immigration tapered off.


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