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Spain is probably 98% "white", what does that say about demographics/immigration though? And I'm not arrogant nor did I attack you. As far as I'm concerned you are just parroting certain other people who called me that last week. What I am is fed up with how it seemingly is impossible to have a normal debate on European issues on here. Mention France and without failure you'll either see the words "socialist" or "riots" or both within a couple of posts. "Demographics" and "Europe" is an open invitation for some dude to show up claiming how "it's projected that Germany and Italy will have their populations plummet before 2050" (!) Well that theory was proven wrong last year (Italy added 300,000) and we still have 43 years to go. It's ridiculous... I have nothing against you and I know of your connection with Spain, but why mention Spain is 90% white when that is totally besides the point? |
Shiro, there are many biased and/or ignorant forumers, but I think you are being a bit sensitive.
There's more than a grain of truth to both topics. Germany's population IS declining (I have no idea what's going on in Italy) and any mention of Sarkozy will lead to discusssion of his defining moment during the 2005 unrest. |
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For me it's personal stuff, like the fact that it's getting difficult to find good German food in major cities (German food is "uncool" for German natives and immigrants generally open their own places) or that German values of tidiness, punctuality, etc. are disapperaing. The end result is that Germany is as prosperous as ever, but feels almost indistinguishable from the U.S., the U.K., or wherever. Globalization makes all places seem a little less unique. I'm selfishly a little happy that Southern and Eastern Europe are (so far) not as multicultural. I would hate for Naples to feel like an indistinct mix of peoples (like current Frankfurt or Rotterdam). At that point, I feel I might as well stay here in Brooklyn because everywhere else is pretty much the same. |
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France has a serious public relations problem here in the United States. Thankfully, the US media and political talking heads are singing the prasies of their new president and the whole freedom fires thing has calmed down. As for my population posts, I'm sooooooo sorry I don't read the EU's censuses religously:rolleyes: . All I know is the BBC did a several part series on the changing demographics of Europe and Merkel made it a central part of her campagin. WHO's own reports show the charts and Europe's population slice of the pie is going down. I agree with the above poster that Europe should try to preserve it's heritiage and it's own people. BTW, is your number an actual census figure? Or something you pulled off the economist or something? |
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...opulation+2005
And if you don't read the EU's censuses religiously, why are you commenting about "Europe's" supposed decline? ;) What strikes me is that it are strictly non Europeans here who are "worried" that native Europeans (whatever they mean by that) are going to die out and that Europe is going to lose its culture... Sorry but Rotterdam is still very much a Dutch city even with 50+% of its inhabitants being non Dutch as is the case now. And if I'm being too sensitive, please link me to a thread on this forum about Europe that doesn't descent into myths and uninformed "opinions" on the very first page. |
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I wouldn't worry, we'll always have Eastern Europe.
My photo from Warsaw's Praga district last month - not a face that doesn't "belong" there. After a number of years in multi-culti Toronto, I felt right at home. Everyone there looked like me, dressed like, behaved like me - don't get me wrong but it was a REAL refreshment :) http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7...23largeqe8.jpg |
I can't figure out if you are being sarcastic.
Knowing you, you aren't even kidding, right...:rolleyes: |
Nah, carry on...i just wanted to show off with a nice Warsaw photo taken by me, myself and I;)
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I hope you noticed the big "Kebab" sign.
Hmm Polish food... |
Shiro,
I apologize for being rude to you. I was just a little upset with your response after I made a factual, non-offensive statement in response to someone else. You're right that classifying people in Europe by race does not take into account fully the amount of immigration certain regions have experienced recently. Even my family in Spain is not Spanish by birth (they are from Argentina). However, even if the percentage "white" / "light-skinned Caucasian" or whatever you want to call it may not be as relavent to this discussion as the numbers of immigrants coming into Spain, I feel obliged to dispell non-factual information about said country when I have the chance to do so. I agree that lots of things posted on here by Americans are terribly misinformed or non-factual, but this is really a two-way street: I have heard some horrendously untrue things said by Europeans about the United States. Having discussions like this (that involve people from both sides of the Atlantic) help us all to be better informed if the information exchanged is honest, relavent, and true. That's all. :) |
I don't see why race seems to be taboo in Europe...Taking tabs on race must be un-PC there, and I don't see why! I guess it must be because sizeable populations of nonwhites is relatively recent. Since America's conception, we have never been less than 10% nonwhite (and were at 1/3 nonwhite now). And not that anyone cares, but generally Turks are considered white, at least where I am from. Obviously the US and Europe have vastly different opinions on race basically here, if you are not less than half black, Mexican/Central American, Asian, or Native American, you are considered white.
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Hey, if America turned all non-white, then it wouldn't really bother me. I just don't want to see the world lose more diversity. I would say the same things if it was Chinese declining in China. |
Give it a couple of millenniums and the global warming will take care of the white people.
Anyway, all this talk of Europe being overrun by immigrants is total bull, as Europe has been overrun by immigrants for the last 35 000 years. |
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Foreigners living in Germany in 2006 (Note: these numbers do not include persons who immigrated to Germany and have gained the German citizenship - only holders of foreign passports are included)
Overall: 6.751.002 Turkey: 1.738.831 Italy: 534.657 Poland: 361.696 Greece: 303.761 Serbia: 282.067 Croatia: 227.510 Russia: 187.514 Austria: 175.653 Bosnia & Herzegovina: 157.094 Netherlands: 123.466 Portugal: 115.028 Spain: 106.819 France: 104.085 United States: 99.265 United Kingdom: 96.507 Vietnam: 83.076 China: 75.733 Iraq: 73.561 Romania: 73.353 Morocco: 69.926 Montenegro: 62.295 Iran: 58.707 Hungary: 52.347 Afghanistan: 52.162 |
So the situation is like this in Germany:
Overall: 6.751.002 Turkey: 1.738.831 Yugoslavs: 728900 (without Slovenes & Macedonians) Italy: 534.657 Poland: 361.696 Greece: 303.761 Russia: 187.514 Austria: 175.653 Netherlands: 123.466 Portugal: 115.028 Spain: 106.819 France: 104.085 United States: 99.265 United Kingdom: 96.507 Vietnam: 83.076 China: 75.733 Iraq: 73.561 Romania: 73.353 Morocco: 69.926 Iran: 58.707 Hungary: 52.347 Afghanistan: 52.162 I believe the real numbers are even higher than these "official" statistics. |
Back to my original simple question.
Does anyone have a wild/educated/uneducated guess as to the racial demographics of the whole of Europe at this point. Europe is what? over 700 million people. I'm guessing it's around 90-95% white. And for the immigrants in certain countries that didn't come from another European country, I would only include Turks and Israelis as being white. Syria and Iran have many white looking people but not enough to generalize them as being majority white. Any ideas? Guess, I don't care, I'm just looking for a gross idea. Thanks again guys. |
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