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spoonman Mar 19, 2007 8:53 PM

If anyone has something to add to the following new threads in the "Highrise Construction" forum it would be appreciated. I guess Library Circle may be a couple months off, but if anyone has a picture of them pushing dirt around, feel free to add it.

Thanks Charger Fan, Derek5, and BMFarley for helping keep the threads alive

Electra - 43 Floors
One Library Circle (Library Tower) - 43 Floors
Vantage Point -4o Floors
15th & Island - 31 & 39 Floors
Bayside at the Embarcadero - 36 Floors
Sapphire Tower - 32 Floors

spoonman Mar 19, 2007 9:06 PM

PS: Does anyone know what ever happened to this project? Its the Kettner/Ash site, which is ajacent to Sapphire and Bayside. It would make that area incredibly dense as Breeza, Sapphire, Treo, Grande, Allegro are all going to be there.
From this website: http://www.amanatarchitect.com/kettner.html
http://www.amanatarchitect.com/images/kettner-east.jpg
and some body posted this much earlier on this site sorry I forgot who...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tnernight2.jpg

Urban Sky Mar 19, 2007 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2700802)
plus imagine the Embarcadero Visionary Plan along with this...its gonna be nice...i agree they arent the greatest towers in the world...but these are basically only place holder designs so the City would approve the plans...;)

I still have a feeling that the design is going to get changed a little. Or at least I am hoping! Not too fond of those two...

Derek Mar 19, 2007 11:10 PM

^same here...NIMBYs are gonna shit a cow when they see this one(remember the NBC site...)

Derek Mar 19, 2007 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2702204)
PS: Does anyone know what ever happened to this project? Its the Kettner/Ash site, which is ajacent to Sapphire and Bayside. It would make that area incredibly dense as Breeza, Sapphire, Treo, Grande, Allegro are all going to be there.
From this website: http://www.amanatarchitect.com/kettner.html
http://www.amanatarchitect.com/images/kettner-east.jpg
and some body posted this much earlier on this site sorry I forgot who...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tnernight2.jpg

im not sure...but i like it...especially the first render:tup:

Urban Sky Mar 19, 2007 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2702574)
im not sure...but i like it...especially the first render:tup:

yeah, that ones sweet.:tup:

sandiego_urban Mar 19, 2007 11:35 PM

This thread seems to be more active these days, I need to start checking in here more often :tup:


Quote:

Originally Posted by keg92101
If you look on the site, the 1 story building, which will be a cafe/grille for the park, is just about finished out as the pinnacle sales office. I think they are going to try to get this off the ground, pending sales, by years end. The DDA states that the park has to be completed by either the end of 2007 or the end of 2008, and I believe the project will extend the underground garage under a portion of the park.

This is great news! I thought this project died a long time ago, since there hadn't been any updates on it in some time now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg92101
This will not be any competion for San Diego's CC. This will merely serve as overflow as to what the SDCC cannot book due to its surplus of conventions. The SDCC has the gaslamp, CV has nothing.

Hmmm.....I recall an article that expressed concerns by the folks at the SDCC saying that said it may hurt their business in the future. I'm hoping both facilites can work together and be successful. Of course, the SDCC will always be the better of the two because of it's location and surrounding amenities.

Quote:

Originally Posted by octosd
How much weight would you guys give to these timelines. Looks like 15th and Island is not a joke since they're finishing up the sales office.

While the CCDC tries to keep the project descriptions up-to-date, they've never been 100% accurate.


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Originally Posted by spoonman
I started a bunch of new threads under the "highrise construction" forum.
I started ones for:

Electra - 43 Floors
One Library Circle (Library Tower) - 43 Floors
Vantage Point -4o Floors
15th & Island - 31 & 39 Floors
Bayside at the Embarcadero - 36 Floors
Sapphire Tower - 32 Floors

Great job! I thought about starting up the same threads some time ago but didn't think there were enough SD forumers to keep it alive. Maybe now there are...

We could probably add the Hilton, Diegan and Aria to the list since each is over 15 floors and 200 feet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmfarley
Here are some pictures I took on St Patricks Day of a few sites and buildings planned or going up.

Thanks for posting

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman
This new Lane Field development makes me sick...The architect should be ashamed, its a modern version of the Holiday Inn towers, which perpetuate the very image this city doesn't need, pink cinderblock towers with ragged palm trees and massive parking lots. If it's not enough to look like the Holiday Inn abomination, they're twin towers too...

Aww....c'mon, the design isn't that bad, is it? I hate that they are twins, but I think the crown is pretty unique. The base of the towers need a complete overhaul, which I'm sure they'll do as the project comes to closer to being approved. I'm most happy that it's not another Vancouver-inspired tower with a "fin".

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman
PS: Does anyone know what ever happened to this project? Its the Kettner/Ash site, which is ajacent to Sapphire and Bayside. It would make that area incredibly dense as Breeza, Sapphire, Treo, Grande, Allegro are all going to be there.

Here's another project that I thought was dead. The first rendering looks like a mixture of Electra, The Grande and Bayside in one. In other words, it's nothing we haven't seen before. Damn those Vancouver architects...it's a love/hate relationship with them for me.

Here's a profile rendering of Bayside that I've never seen before from the Amana Architect website:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../ash-north.jpg

Derek Mar 20, 2007 12:37 AM

^i thought it was dead too

OCtoSD Mar 20, 2007 12:56 AM

Nope, bayside is under construction

Derek Mar 20, 2007 1:03 AM

no i meant this one;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2702204)
PS: Does anyone know what ever happened to this project? Its the Kettner/Ash site, which is ajacent to Sapphire and Bayside. It would make that area incredibly dense as Breeza, Sapphire, Treo, Grande, Allegro are all going to be there.
From this website: http://www.amanatarchitect.com/kettner.html
http://www.amanatarchitect.com/images/kettner-east.jpg
and some body posted this much earlier on this site sorry I forgot who...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tnernight2.jpg


sandiegodweller Mar 20, 2007 1:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCtoSD (Post 2699794)
How much weight would you guys give to these timelines. Looks like 15th and Island is not a joke since they're finishing up the sales office.

The Cosmo sales office next to the Hard Rock sales office has been under construction for at least 6 months. I walk by it all the time and I don't see any progress.

Just my opinion but there is NO WAY that Cosmo breaks ground anytime soon.

eburress Mar 20, 2007 2:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2702871)
no i meant this one;)

I hope not -- that was one of my favorites!

Derek Mar 20, 2007 3:23 AM

^i like it too!


as for Cosmo Square...i pray that this one is built :(

Derek Mar 20, 2007 3:42 AM

when did the "First National Bank" building change its name to "Pacific Western Bank"?

First National looked so much better at the top of it :(

ShekelPop Mar 20, 2007 4:46 AM

Here's a cosmo square rendering from the developer's website, I hadnt seen this one before, its kinda nice set behind the Legend building like that.
http://www.simploncorporation.com/im...F1-C_large.jpg

HurricaneHugo Mar 20, 2007 5:00 AM

beautiful

Derek Mar 20, 2007 5:02 AM

its nice...period.;)

bmfarley Mar 20, 2007 7:50 PM

I hope there is no reflection off the glass and onto the field. That would suck. Say in the fall and having a 12pm start time.

Derek Mar 20, 2007 11:35 PM

^does the blue tinting help deflect sun light at all? just a thought

OCtoSD Mar 21, 2007 12:43 AM

One more projected start for 2007 I missed earlier

Pier in Little Italy
CityMark Development plans to construct a 230-unit mixed use project with 366 parking spaces on the west side of Kettner Boulevard between Fir and Grape streets. The project will contain 10,500 square feet of retail space. Construction is scheduled to begin in Spring 2007 with a late 2008 completion targeted.

OCtoSD Mar 21, 2007 12:49 AM

Does anyone know the status of the north embarcadero visionary project and when its suppost start construction. Once that thing is done San Diego will feel very different.

Derek Mar 21, 2007 1:50 AM

^i thought i read somewhere that its supposed to start phase 1 sometime this year...


im probably wrong :shrug:

Derek Mar 21, 2007 1:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCtoSD (Post 2705419)
One more projected start for 2007 I missed earlier

Pier in Little Italy
CityMark Development plans to construct a 230-unit mixed use project with 366 parking spaces on the west side of Kettner Boulevard between Fir and Grape streets. The project will contain 10,500 square feet of retail space. Construction is scheduled to begin in Spring 2007 with a late 2008 completion targeted.


theres a huge ad for this in Little Italy right now...

sandiego_urban Mar 21, 2007 4:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandiegodweller (Post 2702916)
The Cosmo sales office next to the Hard Rock sales office has been under construction for at least 6 months. I walk by it all the time and I don't see any progress.

Just my opinion but there is NO WAY that Cosmo breaks ground anytime soon.

So this morning I called the office of Simplon Development (Cosmo's developer) to inquired about the project. I asked why they started construction on the sales office but haven't finished it yet. All the woman could say is "It's coming along". When asked whether the project is being delayed, she then said that she only answered the phone and couldn't really answer that. Hmmmm.......

bmfarley Mar 21, 2007 5:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCtoSD (Post 2705419)
One more projected start for 2007 I missed earlier

Pier in Little Italy
CityMark Development plans to construct a 230-unit mixed use project with 366 parking spaces on the west side of Kettner Boulevard between Fir and Grape streets. The project will contain 10,500 square feet of retail space. Construction is scheduled to begin in Spring 2007 with a late 2008 completion targeted.

I drove by the site tonight. There is no evidence of anything about to happen. In fact, the current site still has the old VW dealership building and a home/garden type shop opened up on a portion of it. I am unsure if teh home/garden/chatchski store is leaving any time soon. I hope so tho.

Derek Mar 21, 2007 5:25 AM

i hope Pier is built...didnt one of the forumers on the last thread purchase a unit there already?


another thing...Embassy 1414...anybody got any details about that at all? the banner is still at the site...but i havent heard squat about it:(

spoonman Mar 21, 2007 5:32 AM

Does anyone know how tall Pier will be? How many floors or feet?

Derek Mar 21, 2007 5:33 AM

^not that tall...its gonna be a midrise...15 floors maybe...and like 200 feet?

Urban Sky Mar 21, 2007 5:38 AM

Electra from Last Night
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSC07990.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSC08014-1.jpg

Urban Sky Mar 21, 2007 5:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2706180)
^not that tall...its gonna be a midrise...15 floors maybe...and like 200 feet?

yes, i think so.

Derek Mar 21, 2007 5:55 AM

CCDC website indicates 15 floors...so im bad ass for knowing that ;)...but it didnt give an exact height...

spoonman Mar 21, 2007 6:03 AM

Is the Lane Field Project(:yuck: ) the area on the left with the parking lot in the first picture?

spoonman Mar 21, 2007 6:04 AM

BTW Nice picture Urban Sky:tup:

Urban Sky Mar 21, 2007 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2706276)
BTW Nice picture Urban Sky:tup:

thank you, thank you! :cheers:

Derek Mar 21, 2007 6:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2706274)
Is the Lane Field Project(:yuck: ) the area on the left with the parking lot in the first picture?

yes

spoonman Mar 21, 2007 6:11 AM

Better than a parking lot I guess

Derek Mar 21, 2007 6:14 AM

yes, parking lots suck :)

Urban Sky Mar 21, 2007 6:35 AM

thats all downtown used to be...haha, that and brake depots & homeless shelters.

Derek Mar 21, 2007 6:37 AM

i actually want to see nice, new homeless shelters integrated into the East Village area so we can get them off the streets and have a safer, cleaner way of life downtown...

HurricaneHugo Mar 21, 2007 8:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2706349)
i actually want to see nice, new homeless shelters integrated into the East Village area so we can get them off the streets and have a safer, cleaner way of life downtown...

i think there's a new one being build at imperial and 16th, but im not sure

Urban Sky Mar 21, 2007 6:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2706349)
i actually want to see nice, new homeless shelters integrated into the East Village area so we can get them off the streets and have a safer, cleaner way of life downtown...

i think they need to move the homeless shelters out of downtown. i dont want to sound like an asshole, but the homeless really are a black eye on downtown. there are people who live in san diego who havent really been downtown since it was seedy and are looking to make a new first impression.
believe me, i used to live downtown. the homeless have a strong presense down there. there were days when i couldnt walk 3 blocks without being asked for change or whatever a couple times.
there are a lot of tourists and people in general walking around down there. downtown isnt the best place for these people to be sleeping (most of the time on the street) and using the bathroom (also on the street).
the problem with a homeless shelter is there is never enough space for the amount of demand. usually what happens is the shelters close during the day sending the people out into the streets and open during food serving times and dusk. This keeps the homeless community close to the shelter because they are waiting for food and a place to sleep. in the meantime, they beg for change to buy booze or drugs. and bother people.
this may all sound very selfish, but i lived down there. i had to deal with them. oh, and i also got jacked by a couple of them...so yeah. im kind of tired of that problem and cant wait until were at a point where police will actually put some effort towards getting this problem out of our city.

spoonman Mar 21, 2007 6:46 PM

Broadway and C Street are really bad. A lot of people won't walk through that area because its shady 24/7. Hopefully the C-Street revitalization project will help some of that, but we all know it will just move the ghetto to another area, probably toward "smart corner".

Urban Sky Mar 21, 2007 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2707282)
Broadway and C Street are really bad. A lot of people won't walk through that area because its shady 24/7. Hopefully the C-Street revitalization project will help some of that, but we all know it will just move the ghetto to another area, probably toward "smart corner".

there are still tons of places in eastern downtown for people like that to hang out. but its true that there are seedy pockets of the downtown area that arent exactly safe to walk through at night. C street along the trolley IS really bad at night. same with A or Ash streets near Core. Even down towards where electra is going in on Broadway has some shady characters after 8pm. I was over there the other night and maybe it was that I had a thousand dollars worth of camera with me, but I didnt exactly feel safe. Ive learned my lesson though down there and I always carry a knife...TAKE THAT STREET SCUM!

Anyway, point is that all this construction is very good for downtown. When street corners get developed it seems to push the seedy element elsewhere.

bmfarley Mar 21, 2007 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2706289)
yes

No, it's not.

This is relevant to the question if the parkign ont he left is Lane Field.

The parking you pointed out is for the Bosa tower or Irvine Co. Office building. It could be the site where IM Pei will be designing soemthing... or maybe Pei is designing AP 2?

Lane Field is west of Pacific Highway ... east of Harbor... north of Broadway.

bmfarley Mar 21, 2007 7:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2706349)
i actually want to see nice, new homeless shelters integrated into the East Village area so we can get them off the streets and have a safer, cleaner way of life downtown...

Yeah, I agree. But unfortunately some people don't want a roof over tehir heads... or are not functional enough to live under one with others.

bmfarley Mar 21, 2007 7:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2707282)
Broadway and C Street are really bad. A lot of people won't walk through that area because its shady 24/7. Hopefully the C-Street revitalization project will help some of that, but we all know it will just move the ghetto to another area, probably toward "smart corner".

There is a ghetto on C Street? I didn't know that. I am there all the time and I never thought of it that way. Although the area needs a boost. Sidewalks are in bad shape and there's virtually been no public or private improvements on C since the trolley went in.

Urban Sky Mar 21, 2007 9:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmfarley (Post 2707440)
There is a ghetto on C Street? I didn't know that. I am there all the time and I never thought of it that way. Although the area needs a boost. Sidewalks are in bad shape and there's virtually been no public or private improvements on C since the trolley went in.

Hence the C Street improvement plan coming up this year. And yeah, there's no ghetto there. But I dont trust half the people standing outside that 7-11. Not to mention the homeless people sleeping by civic center.

Derek Mar 21, 2007 9:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmfarley (Post 2707423)
No, it's not.

This is relevant to the question if the parkign ont he left is Lane Field.

The parking you pointed out is for the Bosa tower or Irvine Co. Office building. It could be the site where IM Pei will be designing soemthing... or maybe Pei is designing AP 2?

Lane Field is west of Pacific Highway ... east of Harbor... north of Broadway.

oh my bad, yes Lane Field is to the direct west of that site across the street...thanks for the correction...but i think the main statement here is...parking lots suck :)

bmfarley Mar 22, 2007 2:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2707785)
oh my bad, yes Lane Field is to the direct west of that site across the street...thanks for the correction...but i think the main statement here is...parking lots suck :)

Well... I disagree on that being the main point. But, I agree about parking lots.

Imo, which you probably know already, is that people should chose wisely where they live and not choose lifestyles putting them in cars for 1 hour each morning or evening. I know that is some peoples only 'alone' time, but that choice is messed up. Or, that 1 hour away their work location is the only affordable housing they could afford. Personally, that is not an affordable lifestyle for me. I don't want to behind the wheel that long... too painful on many levels.

Derek Mar 22, 2007 3:00 AM

i was only emphasizing the parking lots suck part ;)

but i totally agree with you!:)


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