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Innsertnamehere Jun 29, 2012 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5750723)
I am talking about the store and probably the building. Most buildings today are built with a core and an outer wall. This building will not have a core but a grid of steel beams inside the building to hold it up.

Cores generally only become necessary when you are going above 270m.. But below that level it is actually quite rare to see a core. This will be interesting to watch go up though! Might be the tallest
Building in the world without one!

sbarn Jun 30, 2012 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5750723)
I am talking about the store and probably the building. Most buildings today are built with a core and an outer wall. This building will not have a core but a grid of steel beams inside the building to hold it up.

I don't quite follow... I don't see how this building wouldn't have a core. Cores are not only necessary for skyscrapers structurally, but also function as the primary location for emergency stairwells, elevator stacks and mechanical chases.

I think what they mean by "coreless" store, is that the site is big enough to basically have a large podium for Nordstrom and then the tower off to one side, kinda like the 50 Bloor proposal in Toronto (below):

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8022/7...21891186_z.jpg
Source: SparksTO @ Flickr

NYguy Jun 30, 2012 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sbarn (Post 5751746)
I think what they mean by "coreless" store, is that the site is big enough to basically have a large podium for Nordstrom and then the tower off to one side, kinda like the 50 Bloor proposal in Toronto (below):

Right, the configuration is not unusual. It's why we have two different designs for the 15 Penn Plaza proposal, one featuring large trading floors that won't be interrupted by the core:


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/144419495/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/144419498/original.jpg



DitMartian

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7265/7...071f114c_b.jpg

1Boston Jul 1, 2012 5:41 AM

So since it says that Nordstrom will be open at the tower in 2017-2018, does that mean that's when the tower itself will be finished or would it likely be sooner than that, cause that seems too far away, especially if its starting 1st quarter of 2013.

NYguy Jul 1, 2012 6:47 AM

Not really. We're talking four years from excavation to completion. Its a very large tower wirh completion dates similar to the Hudson Yards towers. That's all assuming the tower goes vertical next year, and I don't see why not.

NYguy Jul 3, 2012 11:15 PM

The press conference from the mayor's gallery. Maybe they like'em tall because they're so tall...Bloomberg seems so tiny...:D

nycmayorsoffice


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7134/7...a1fc6c52_b.jpg



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7134/7...71e371f4_c.jpg


"Wow, that guy is huge."

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8163/7...7446a569_c.jpg

Busy Bee Jul 4, 2012 12:17 AM

OMG, the Scandinavians are coming!! The Scandinavians are coming!!

Those guys are super tall. Kind of scary actually.

NYguy Jul 5, 2012 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 5755435)
Those guys are super tall. Kind of scary actually.

LOL, yeah, it all makes sense now:

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The department store's requirements included ceiling heights of at least 25 feet


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...bWyoxcVdYKmHfP

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Nordstrom Rack, the off-price division of the Seattle-based department store chain, is said to be in preliminary discussions to dig into about 50,000 square feet — mostly underground — at Blackstone’s 1095 Ave. of the Americas.

A pedestrian plaza running south to West 41st Street lies between that tower and Blackstone’s 120 W. 42nd St., a newly developed glass retail box, with all of the retail connecting underground....
This news follows on the heels of Nordstrom’s announcement that it is finally bringing a full-fledged flagship store to Manhattan. The company has signed a development deal to own 285,000 square feet in the base of Extell’s upcoming tower at 225 W. 57th St.

hunser Jul 5, 2012 3:49 PM

A supertall for super tall people- I like it! :jester: I'm 6'3'' btw... nothing special for Central / North Europeans (Austria, Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavia etc.) :D

(Bloomberg is 5'6'', that's why he looks like a dwarf compared to these guys)

Dallas Jul 5, 2012 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 5755435)
OMG, the Scandinavians are coming!! The Scandinavians are coming!!

Those guys are super tall. Kind of scary actually.

Of course just about anyone looks tall standing next to Mayor Bloomberg !!

:haha:

Busy Bee Jul 5, 2012 11:50 PM

Yeah, but come on. Sven there looks like he's close to 7'.

NewYorkDominates Jul 7, 2012 6:14 AM

Hahaha I'm only 5'11"

Roadcruiser1 Jul 7, 2012 6:13 PM

I am actually 6'2.

Anyway I think it is fitting that such a tall building is being built by tall people. Very symbolic I think.

NYguy Jul 8, 2012 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5759041)
I think it is fitting that such a tall building is being built by tall people. Very symbolic I think.


I wonder if it will play into the decision of making this tower the city's tallest, or at least trying to (they're so close, why not). It will supposedly be the tallest Nordstrom, and they are working with Extell on design and architect. Hmmmm.....:sly:

http://www.mediapost.com/publication...manhattan.html

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The flagship store will be seven stories, its tallest. And the development will also include “a distinctive mixed-use, retail, hotel and high-rise residential tower,” still in the planning stages.

1Boston Jul 8, 2012 10:56 PM

wow, id probably be able to walk through their legs without ducking. I'm 5'3" haha. But they definitely joked about that them wanting high ceilings cause they're so freaking tall. And won't it be more dangerous since the buildings so tall yet won't have a core?

lakegz Jul 9, 2012 1:07 AM

I wish we had a more distant shot of that Bloomberg-Nordstrom-Extell shot. I'm sure those guys were making quite a mark on the New York skyline.

sbarn Jul 9, 2012 2:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 1Boston (Post 5759809)
wow, id probably be able to walk through their legs without ducking. I'm 5'3" haha. But they definitely joked about that them wanting high ceilings cause they're so freaking tall. And won't it be more dangerous since the buildings so tall yet won't have a core?

There WILL be a core to this building. See explanation above.

NYguy Jul 10, 2012 9:04 PM

http://www.commercialobserver.com/20...the-west-side/

Andrew Goldberg, Broker Behind Trump Tower’s Gucci Deal, Thinks Retail is Ready to Splurge on the West Side.

Mr. Goldberg spoke with The Commercial Observer recently about last month’s huge Nordstrom deal, the Drake development site, Gucci and Westfield’s plans for the World Trade Center.


By Daniel Geiger
July 10, 2012

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The big news in retail was Nordstrom’s decision to take space at Gary Barnett’s development site at 225 West 57th Street. What do you think of it?

Mr. Goldberg: I was just reading about it, actually. I think it’s great—we’ve read these headlines before with Nordstrom but I think it’s great.

Why did they finally settle on this site? For years they had been rumored to be looking at one site after the next. They’ve seemed almost fickle.

I assume it’s a build to suit where they will have input in the design and development. It’s 57th Street and Broadway, which is a good location for them. You have what will be dedicated loading on 58th Street. That is a really important issue for them and it also seems like the floors are big enough so that they can lay out a department store. I don’t think it’s having to do with being fickle—it’s having a large company that’s used to having their stores work a certain way and not being able to readily find that. You have to find the right floorplate that has the right amount of columns and ceiling heights and loading, and you need it to be a location where the customer is.

sbarn Jul 11, 2012 1:26 AM

I hope Nordstrom doesn't sway the design of this tower to become too conservative (i.e. a box). I'd love to see something that is quite interesting to rise on the site.

scalziand Jul 11, 2012 2:29 AM

I'm pretty sure that all that Nordstrom cares above is the layout and interior design of the department store.


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