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thenoflyzone Sep 24, 2021 7:36 PM

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...t-flights.html

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Canada continues to take a risk-based and measured approach to re-opening the border while prioritizing the health and safety of everyone in Canada.

As Canada prepares for the return of direct flights from India to Canada, Transport Canada is announcing an extension of the Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) that restricts all direct commercial and private passenger flights to Canada from India until September 26, 2021, at 23:59 EDT.

Once the restriction on direct flights expires, travellers eligible to enter Canada will be able to board direct flights from India to Canada with the following additional measures:

Travellers must have proof of a negative COVID-19 molecular test from the approved Genestrings Laboratory at the Delhi airport taken within 18 hours of the scheduled departure of their direct flight to Canada.

Prior to boarding, air operators will be checking the travellers’ test results ensuring they are eligible to come to Canada, and that fully vaccinated travellers have uploaded their information into the ArriveCAN mobile app or website. Travellers who are unable to meet these requirements will be denied boarding.

As a first step, on September 22, 2021, three direct flights from India will arrive in Canada and all passengers on these flights will be tested for COVID-19 upon arrival to ensure that the new measures are working.

After the resumption of direct flights, travellers who are eligible to enter Canada who depart India for Canada via an indirect route will continue to be required to obtain, within 72 hours of departure, a valid negative COVID-19 molecular test from a third country – other than India – before continuing their journey to Canada.

Everyone in Canada is advised to avoid non-essential travel outside Canada – international travel increases the risk of exposure to, and the spread of COVID-19, including infection caused by new variants. Border and public health measures also remain subject to change as the epidemiological situation evolves.

zahav Sep 24, 2021 8:38 PM

I still see quite a few Air Canada planes in the old toothpaste colour scheme. I am surprised they didn't use the pandemic as a chance to repaint the remaining planes while the demand was so depressed. I know they typically paint them when they go for maintenance, but there was a long period they could have used to expedite the repainting, seems like a wasted opportunity. I hate seeing the old planes still, the rebranding was done ages ago so it looks weird.

Is Westjet planning to repaint all of it's to the new livery? Theirs don't look so bad side by side, since they are kind of in the same family of colour.

thenoflyzone Sep 24, 2021 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 9406575)
I still see quite a few Air Canada planes in the old toothpaste colour scheme. I am surprised they didn't use the pandemic as a chance to repaint the remaining planes while the demand was so depressed.

With what money?

A lot of aviation/airline companies could have done a lot of things during the pandemic, but you need cash to start/finish these projects, something none of them have.

J81 Sep 25, 2021 3:51 AM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 9406339)
The vaccine won't prevent you from getting COVID, especially from an unvaccinated person. The chances of a vaccinated person passing it on to another vaccinated person is way lower, but if someone is totally unvaxxed, then they can certainly pass it to someone who is fully vaxxed.

If you’re vaccinated you shouldnt be worried about getting covid. This is what the government has been telling us all along. Go look how that worked out for NB.

JakeLRS Sep 26, 2021 3:41 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9347473)
Flair should be announcing new Mexico service shortly, or have they already?

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/2021-a-17

CTA has given approval to flair to operate flights to Mexico.

The determination was made on September 8th
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2021-130

nname Sep 26, 2021 5:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9407554)
CTA has given approval to flair to operate flights to Mexico.

The determination was made on September 8th
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2021-130

Looking at Flair's schedule out of YVR for the winter season, they still have a plane on the ground on Mon, Tues, Fri from approx 1pm till the end of the day. I'm sure they will announce something shortly, either somewhere in Mexico, or some other destinations.

I didn't check other cities though, probably it's similar to the YVR schedule.

Tg11 Sep 27, 2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by J81 (Post 9406951)
If you’re vaccinated you shouldnt be worried about getting covid. This is what the government has been telling us all along. Go look how that worked out for NB.

But then again vaccinated people if they do end up getting infected, they show little to no symptoms of even having COVID and if you are fully vaccinated but somehow get it, you have a higher chance of recovering faster than someone who is not vaccinated

J81 Sep 27, 2021 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tg11 (Post 9408110)
But then again vaccinated people if they do end up getting infected, they show little to no symptoms of even having COVID and if you are fully vaccinated but somehow get it, you have a higher chance of recovering faster than someone who is not vaccinated

Exactly my point! If you’re vaccinated they why do you care if the person next to you anywhere is or isn’t vaccinated. You did what you felt was right for you and protected yourself. Being scared of sitting next to someone on a plane that is not vaccinated when youre double vaxxed is ridiculous

Tg11 Sep 27, 2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by J81 (Post 9408124)
Exactly my point! If you’re vaccinated they why do you care if the person next to you anywhere is or isn’t vaccinated. You did what you felt was right for you and protected yourself. Being scared of sitting next to someone on a plane that is not vaccinated when youre double vaxxed is ridiculous

It is but then it also isn't at the same time. It is just the world we live in now.

Airboy Sep 27, 2021 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9406595)
With what money?

A lot of aviation/airline companies could have done a lot of things during the pandemic, but you need cash to start/finish these projects, something none of them have.

I think Porter was the only airline with surplus money. that why their aircraft were updated.

Calfan12 Sep 28, 2021 3:39 AM

Restrictions on International Passengers flights are lifted,but its still limited due to passengers demand is still Not Great!

It's just Entry restrictions for most countries around the World is different currently for the Coronavirus Pandemic - Example: China plans to keep its restrictions on International flights ✈️until 2022. https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/china-re...2022-1.1647122

Calfan12 Sep 28, 2021 5:49 AM

Also interested to see what WestJet (WS) does for Europe next Summer from its largest Calgary YYC Hub in Western Canada, *if*Calgary- Amsterdam doesn't return next summer?

As it would leave open a WestJet 787 aircraft available to do a New Europe destination seasonally, example: Munich Germany likely be 1 they consider starting up at some point from YYC.

casper Sep 28, 2021 5:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9409125)
Restrictions on International Passengers flights are lifted,but its still limited due to passengers demand is still Not Great!

It's just Entry restrictions for most countries around the World is different currently for the Coronavirus Pandemic - Example: China plans to keep its restrictions on International flights ✈️until 2022. https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/china-re...2022-1.1647122

I think Canada and the US need to look a similar restrictions on flights to/from China (including HK). Perhaps less due to COVID and more due to legal protections for their citizens while in China.

Calfan12 Sep 28, 2021 8:18 AM

Looks like United Airlines ✈️ has now pushed back Calgary- Chicago flights from December 16 to January 4 2022 - *more changes could still be possible*.

While (F8) Flair Airlines Calgary - Phoenix Mesa & Las Vegas, US Winter Seasonal flights 2-3 weekly is still scheduled to start Mid December 2021 and operate to end of March 2022.

Tg11 Sep 28, 2021 12:20 PM

I hate to see how our airports will be come Christmas season

hehehe Sep 28, 2021 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9409187)
Also interested to see what WestJet (WS) does for Europe next Summer from its largest Calgary YYC Hub in Western Canada, *if*Calgary- Amsterdam doesn't return next summer?

As it would leave open a WestJet 787 aircraft available to do a New Europe destination seasonally, example: Munich Germany likely be 1 they consider starting up at some point from YYC.

It will also be interesting to see what they'll do with the 4 new frames as well. I believe AMS is a slots issue.

hollywoodcory Sep 28, 2021 2:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9409187)
Also interested to see what WestJet (WS) does for Europe next Summer from its largest Calgary YYC Hub in Western Canada, *if*Calgary- Amsterdam doesn't return next summer?

As it would leave open a WestJet 787 aircraft available to do a New Europe destination seasonally, example: Munich Germany likely be 1 they consider starting up at some point from YYC.

If were basing this on the existing 6 787s, then they don't really have slack based on what's currently scheduled for a new route in S22.

They are expecting to take delivery of 4 more, so it will be interesting to see what they choose to do with them.

thewave46 Sep 28, 2021 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9409298)
It will also be interesting to see what they'll do with the 4 new frames as well. I believe AMS is a slots issue.

Yes, AMS is capped at 500,000 movements per year so Westjet can't get in. If the number of movements increases perhaps they'll try there.

I suspect more Europe flying will be the use for their 787s. Asia/Oceania operations require multiple 787s per route if they're going daily which would soak up almost all their new frames.

In the grand scheme of things, I'd imagine Westjet wants into London-Heathrow and Amsterdam airports with daily service from YYC and YYZ. Everything else is gravy in Europe. Unfortunately for Westjet, a lot of other airlines want into those airports too and British Airways and KLM are quite happy to keep their little fiefdoms to themselves.

Dominion301 Sep 28, 2021 2:50 PM

Swoop adding YYZ-PUJ 2x weekly: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...823323997.html

Yawn!

nname Sep 28, 2021 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9409189)
I think Canada and the US need to look a similar restrictions on flights to/from China (including HK). Perhaps less due to COVID and more due to legal protections for their citizens while in China.

There is similar restriction in Canada. Currently China-Canada flights are allowed at most 6x weekly from each side (Before the restriction, China operates 12x weekly while Canada operates 2x weekly... Canada should still have 2 unused frequency, not sure if it's allocated to AC or WS). China doe not allow Canada to operate non-stop flights into Beijing (which AC wants), and thus Canada also does not allow China to operate non-stop flights to Beijing (result in cancellation of inbound non-stop flights YVR->PEK on CA and YYZ->PEK on HU).


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