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casper Jan 30, 2021 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9174727)
Another advantage the US carriers will have over AC/WS.

I'm not understanding this logical of having just Mexico / Caribbean flights stopped but California, Florida and Hawaii are okay? Like I can see LAX / SFO / JFK being okay, but Hawaii? Orlando? :shrug:

Makes perfect sense. The US has a COIVD test before departure and it looks like they will be adopting a quarantine requirement of their own. Would not be surprised if it ends up being nearly identical to the Canadian one.

For example, someone from Vancouver wanting to Vacation in Canada would need to get a COVID test before their departing flight. Spend a week or two in quarantine in California. Do the vacation thing then get a COVID test and return to Canada and then Quarantine.

That does not sound like a viable vacation.

casper Jan 30, 2021 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9174651)
It better be a filet mignon, medium rare, with garlic butter melting on top, every single night........

Sounds like in Toronto it is Four Points Sheraton and the Radison Suites next to the congress center. I have stayed at the Radisson more times than I care to remember. The hotel rooms are fine.

However it sounds like the meals are being catered by the Red Cross and likely on par with hospital food.

I in no way support anything Rebel Media puts out. Ok I strongly disagree with nearly everything Rebel Media puts out and the weird conspiracy theories they cling to. However in a very rare case they did better than the general media they went searching for and found the quarantine hotels and have a few videos on youtube showing the setup.

Pegasus Jan 30, 2021 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9175019)
Makes perfect sense. The US has a COIVD test before departure and it looks like they will be adopting a quarantine requirement of their own. Would not be surprised if it ends up being nearly identical to the Canadian one.

For example, someone from Vancouver wanting to Vacation in Canada would need to get a COVID test before their departing flight. Spend a week or two in quarantine in California. Do the vacation thing then get a COVID test and return to Canada and then Quarantine.

That does not sound like a viable vacation.

"someone from Vancouver wanting to Vacation in Canada" . . . sounds like an excellent way to stop the spread!

Denscity Jan 30, 2021 10:08 PM

Not many Vancouverites want to vacation east of the Rockies. :P

casper Jan 30, 2021 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pegasus (Post 9175368)
"someone from Vancouver wanting to Vacation in Canada" . . . sounds like an excellent way to stop the spread!

Was intending to say someone from Vancouver wanting to vacation in the US.

The US requires a clean COVID test before departure (similar to Canada), and quarantine on arrival in the US. Then to come back it is another COVID test before departure and quarantine on arrival in Canada.

casper Jan 30, 2021 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 9175441)
Not many Vancouverites want to vacation east of the Rockies. :P

True.

Dominion301 Jan 30, 2021 10:42 PM

Transat ceasing all ops (again) until April 30th, except for repatriation flights over the next two weeks: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...814392949.html.

hollywoodcory Jan 31, 2021 1:10 AM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9175019)
Makes perfect sense. The US has a COIVD test before departure and it looks like they will be adopting a quarantine requirement of their own. Would not be surprised if it ends up being nearly identical to the Canadian one.

For example, someone from Vancouver wanting to Vacation in Canada would need to get a COVID test before their departing flight. Spend a week or two in quarantine in California. Do the vacation thing then get a COVID test and return to Canada and then Quarantine.

That does not sound like a viable vacation.

I was mostly referring to connections. The government requested Canadian airlines stop flying to sun destinations but foreign carriers still can. AeroMexico is still going to fly between Canada and Mexico and those sun destinations can still be reached via connections on UA and AA, which puts Canadian airlines at a disadvantage against those foreign carriers.

The one aspect about their new restrictions I see actually deterring leisure travel is having to spend $2000 for three nights in a airport hotel.

hollywoodcory Jan 31, 2021 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9175553)
I was mostly referring to connections. The government requested Canadian airlines stop flying to sun destinations but foreign carriers still can. AeroMexico is still going to fly between Canada and Mexico and those sun destinations can still be reached via connections on UA and AA, which puts Canadian airlines at a disadvantage against those foreign carriers.

Case in point:
https://www.traveloffpath.com/canadi..._W3Ycq1GP1xeO4

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Samuel from Calgary Alberta, (who did not want his last name mentioned), told Travel Off Path that he would still be flying to Cancun in February. “My flight with WestJet was cancelled so I just booked with United,” he explained.
Also it sounds like AM is actually suspending its Canadian ops from mid-February to late April as well.

whatnext Jan 31, 2021 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 9175441)
Not many Vancouverites want to vacation east of the Rockies. :P

Not in winter anyway.

Dominion301 Jan 31, 2021 11:12 PM

Just heard the WAA (YWG) CEO state that YWG-MSP will soon be suspended. It’s amazing it lasted this long considering earlier in the pandemic it survived yet was doing worse than other DL transborder routes that were cut.

esquire Feb 1, 2021 1:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9176135)
Just heard the WAA (YWG) CEO state that YWG-MSP will soon be suspended. It’s amazing it lasted this long considering earlier in the pandemic it survived yet was doing worse than other DL transborder routes that were cut.

This is one of the routes that seemed targeted by Ottawa's recent announcement requiring non-domestic flights to go through the big 4 airports, the other being that one that goes from Iqaluit to somewhere in Greenland.

There's a lot of history behind that YWG-MSP route... DL's predecessor NW started running it sometime in the late 20s/early 30s (online sources vary), so closing in on a century. It's been running for pretty well as long as YWG has existed. And more to the point, it is an important safety valve in an otherwise Star Alliance-dominated market.

wave46 Feb 1, 2021 2:18 AM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9176246)
This is one of the routes that seemed targeted by Ottawa's recent announcement requiring non-domestic flights to go through the big 4 airports, the other being that one that goes from Iqaluit to somewhere in Greenland.

There's a lot of history behind that YWG-MSP route... DL's predecessor NW started running it sometime in the late 20s/early 30s (online sources vary), so closing in on a century. It's been running for pretty well as long as YWG has existed. And more to the point, it is an important safety valve in an otherwise Star Alliance-dominated market.

I'm sure Delta will be back in Winnipeg. It's such a short hop to Delta's hub at MSP.

ghYHZ Feb 1, 2021 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9176246)
........ It's been running for pretty well as long as YWG has existed. And more to the point, it is an important safety valve in an otherwise Star Alliance-dominated market.

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Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 9176274)
I'm sure Delta will be back in Winnipeg. It's such a short hop to Delta's hub at MSP.

Yes....and no different than Halifax on the short hop into the US Northeast on AC, UA, DL and AA to BOS, EWR, LGA and PHL. They'll all be back when this thing is over! AA has already said that YHZ-PHL will be mainline when it comes back.

Dominion301 Feb 1, 2021 6:54 PM

Transport Canada are working on improving snow/ice/slush runway condition phraseology to improve safety: https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada-...ppery-runways/

hollywoodcory Feb 1, 2021 9:40 PM

The UK has extended the slot waiver - with conditions through Summer 2021. Newly allocated slots are exempt and the 80/20 rule still applies. I don't believe any Canadian obtained new slots for LON airports, but I think both AC / WS both received additional slots for DUB.

https://londonairtravel.com/2021/01/...t-slot-waiver/

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...tion-V15.0.pdf

The EU proposed lowering the usage requirement from 80/20 to 40/60 back in December but there hasn't been any update since. So far, only the UK has extended the slot waiver.

thenoflyzone Feb 2, 2021 3:21 PM

This AC (advisory circular) published by Transport Canada last week is interesting, to say the least.

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/ref...-302-032#toc55

Currently, only 13 airports in Canada are officially designated as "international". And yet, many more use the term "intl", such as YYJ, YLW, YHM, YXX.

Those airports will have until June 30, 2021 to officially submit a request to TC for the designation, and prove they meet the requirements, or else they will have to remove the "intl" name from their aeronautical products. (Aeronautical products are those that pilots use to navigate in/out of airports)

No requirements - that i can see- for airports to remove the name "intl" from their signs/posters/website and other commercial publications, however they might eventually end up doing it anyways.

Definition of an international airport:

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(d) International airport: means any airport designated by the Contracting State, in whose territory it is situated, as an airport of entry and departure for international commercial air traffic, where the formalities incident to customs, immigration, public health, animal and plant quarantine and similar procedures are carried out. (ICAO Annex 9) (In Canada, this does not include airports serving only transborder air traffic with the USA)
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5.5 Airports currently designated as “International”
(1) As of the date of publication of this AC the following airports have been designated as “International”:

(a) CYYC - YYC Calgary International
(b) CYEG - Edmonton International
(c) CYFC - Fredericton International
(d) CYQX - Gander International
(e) CYHZ - Halifax / Stanfield International
(f) CYQM - Moncton / Greater Moncton Romeo Leblanc International
(g) CYUL - Montreal / Pierre Elliott Trudeau International
(h) CYOW - Ottawa / Macdonald-Cartier International
(i) CYQB - Québec / Jean Lesage International
(j) CYYT - St. John’s International
(k) CYYZ - Toronto / Lester B. Pearson International
(l) CYVR - Vancouver International
(m) CYWG - Winnipeg / James Armstrong Richardson International.

(2) If an airport is not on this list but is of the opinion that it meets all of the requirements for designation as “International” that airport should make a request for approval to TCCA in accordance with the criteria in this document no later than June 30, 2021. This date has been established to provide the required lead time to amend the aeronautical products, including the CFS and AIP Canada.

(3) Airports not listed above having the term “International” or “INTL” published in the header information of the aeronautical products must demonstrate to the Regional TCCA office, no later than June 30, 2021, that they meet the requirements for designation as stated in this AC to maintain their publication as such.

(4) Where the airport operator has not submitted the required information prior to June 30, 2021 TCCA will advise NAV Canada to have these terms removed from the header information in the relevant aeronautical products.

Coldrsx Feb 2, 2021 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 9175441)
Not many Vancouverites want to vacation east of the Rockies. :P

Very true.

Perhaps Toronto or Montreal once, but most go south, Europe or Far East from my experience.

esquire Feb 2, 2021 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9177752)
This AC (advisory circular) published by Transport Canada last week is interesting, to say the least.

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/ref...-302-032#toc55

Currently, only 13 airports in Canada are officially designated as "international". And yet, many more use the term "intl", such as YYJ, YLW, YHM, YXX.

Those airports will have until June 30, 2021 to officially submit a request to TC for the designation, and prove they meet the requirements, or else they will have to remove the "intl" name from their aeronautical products. (Aeronautical products are those that pilots use to navigate in/out of airports)

No requirements - that i can see- for airports to remove the name "intl" from their signs/posters/website and other commercial publications, however they might eventually end up doing it anyways.

Definition of an international airport:

Why is TC meddling in something like that? What difference does it make to them if Hamilton's airport calls itself "international" or not? And why aren't transborder flights considered international? I mean, they are literally to another country that isn't ours... if that isn't international, then what is?[QUOTE=thenoflyzone;9177752]This AC (advisory circular) published by Transport Canada last week is interesting, to say the least.

thenoflyzone Feb 2, 2021 4:08 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9177771)
Why is TC meddling in something like that? What difference does it make to them if Hamilton's airport calls itself "international" or not? And why aren't transborder flights considered international? I mean, they are literally to another country that isn't ours... if that isn't international, then what is?

TC regulates aeronautical publications. They are totally within their right to meddle into and enforce something like this.

Again, this doesn't mean that come July 1, the signs at airports will change. This only affects publications pilots use (airport charts, approach charts in the CAP, airport information in the CFS, etc), at least for now.


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