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craneSpotter Apr 29, 2020 2:10 PM

EVA Air recently updated their May flight intentions - for Canada:

Taipei – Toronto 1 weekly 777-300ER

Taipei– Vancouver 1 weekly 787-9 (777-300ER from 20MAY20)

wave46 Apr 29, 2020 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8907293)
EVA Air recently updated their May flight intentions - for Canada:

Taipei – Toronto 1 weekly 777-300ER

Taipei– Vancouver 1 weekly 787-9 (777-300ER from 20MAY20)

I'm curious why they are even bothering, unless they're going for cargo runs.

I can't imagine forward bookings of travel even hint at a return to normalcy.

Alexcaban Apr 29, 2020 3:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8907297)
I'm curious why they are even bothering, unless they're going for cargo runs.

I can't imagine forward bookings of travel even hint at a return to normalcy.

Not to mention what they do with the crews, do they layover for a week or deadhead right back.

Dominion301 Apr 29, 2020 3:24 PM

Buffalo Airways broke a King Air at YBB Kuugaruk yesterday: https://cabinradio.ca/35894/news/buf...everyone-safe/

https://i0.wp.com/cabinradio.ca/wp-c...20%2C405&ssl=1

Fortunately there were no injuries.

Airboy Apr 29, 2020 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8907358)
Buffalo Airways broke a King Air at YBB Kuugaruk yesterday: https://cabinradio.ca/35894/news/buf...everyone-safe/

https://i0.wp.com/cabinradio.ca/wp-c...20%2C405&ssl=1

Fortunately there were no injuries.

Thankfully everyone is alright.

Ken Boerek used to fly in there with a king air. no passengers so it was all cargo. I might have a video from the last time I flew out of there. Tough runway with hills on either side and Pelly bay at the other end.

LeftCoaster Apr 29, 2020 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8907251)

The A380 is a toy compared to the An-225.

Riiiight. The 225 has a max takeoff weight of 1.4 million lbs, the A380 is 1.3 million lbs.

The A380 is actually a more powerful aircraft, generating 1400kn of thrust to the mira's 1375.

But the 225 is flying to Montreal and the 380 to YVR, so I guess the 380 is a toy... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8907297)
I'm curious why they are even bothering, unless they're going for cargo runs.

I can't imagine forward bookings of travel even hint at a return to normalcy.

Well those frequencies hardly hint at normalcy. There are usually 31 flights per week from Canada to Taipei, there are now 2.

While travel has dropped to a trickle, that trickle does still need to move, so a flight a week is probably justified, especially with cargo in the belly.

Dominion301 Apr 29, 2020 6:11 PM

In keeping with the wipeout in traffic theme, YQB are reporting in this Radio-Canada (in French) article, that a 'good day' sees 30 departing pax. The average lately has been 10-20/day.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...esage-covid-19

At least 3 TS 321s are parked at YQB.

https://images.radio-canada.ca/q_aut...ir-transat.JPG

esquire Apr 29, 2020 6:14 PM

^ Similarly, according to the Winnipeg Free Press, there were 72 passengers expected to depart YWG on Saturday, although no word on what the actuals were. In the Before Times, that was maybe like one flight to Thunder Bay or Saskatoon...

hollywoodcory Apr 29, 2020 8:42 PM

With Condor pushing both Alberta flights to the end of June, YEG now (as of today) has more international flights scheduled in May then YYC.

YEG:
KI KEF 4x weekly from May 15

YYC:
Nothing

This will of course wil likely changed as I believe the government is still limited overseas flights to the main four?

thenoflyzone Apr 29, 2020 9:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8907546)
Riiiight. The 225 has a max takeoff weight of 1.4 million lbs, the A380 is 1.3 million lbs.

The A380 is actually a more powerful aircraft, generating 1400kn of thrust to the mira's 1375.

But the 225 is flying to Montreal and the 380 to YVR, so I guess the 380 is a toy...

lol.

I'm sorry. Can the A380 carry a space shuttle on its back? No. Can it carry almost 250 t of payload? No. Can it carry a 190t single piece generator in its belly? No.

Conversely, can the An-225 carry 800 passengers and bags if required. Yes. Granted, you might not have a seat or IFE, but it can be done.

So I say again. TOY.

But yes. You nailed it. This was always about Montreal vs. Vancouver. :uhh:

spaceprobe Apr 29, 2020 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8907823)
lol.

I'm sorry. Can the A380 carry a space shuttle on its back? No. Can it carry almost 250 t of payload? No. Can it carry a 190t single piece generator in its belly? No.

Conversely, can the An-225 carry 800 passengers and bags if required. Yes. Granted, you might not have a seat or IFE, but it can be done.

So I say again. TOY.

But yes. You nailed it. This was always about Montreal vs. Vancouver. :uhh:

A 747 can carry the space shuttle.

TheGreatestX Apr 29, 2020 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8907823)
lol.

I'm sorry. Can the A380 carry a space shuttle on its back? No. Can it carry almost 250 t of payload? No. Can it carry a 190t single piece generator in its belly? No.

Conversely, can the An-225 carry 800 passengers and bags if required. Yes. Granted, you might not have a seat or IFE, but it can be done.

So I say again. TOY.

But yes. You nailed it. This was always about Montreal vs. Vancouver. :uhh:

I'd have to agree on this one. Doesn't BA fly an A380 into YVR regularly? I don't understand the circlejerk on here over China Southern flying an A380 into YVR.

The fact that there is only one An-225 in the world is very impressive.

Denscity Apr 29, 2020 11:56 PM

I think both planes are equally as rare in Canada. 1-2 airports a year for both.

Coldrsx Apr 30, 2020 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8907775)
With Condor pushing both Alberta flights to the end of June, YEG now (as of today) has more international flights scheduled in May then YYC.

YEG:
KI KEF 4x weekly from May 15

YYC:
Nothing

This will of course wil likely changed as I believe the government is still limited overseas flights to the main four?

:tup::tup::tup:

Djeffery Apr 30, 2020 2:01 AM

If a 747 can be modified to carry a shuttle, I think a 380 could be as well. I think a 380 is impressive to see, but the 225 is a single aircraft and rare in this part of the world (although the 380 is getting to be pretty rare too). But I would never call a 380 a toy.

zahav Apr 30, 2020 4:32 AM

Such a weird "competition" over the A380 vs. Antonov lol! The plans are two different beats entirely, pointless to compare them. The Antonov to YUL is just a cargo mission, whereas China Southern is a regularly scheduled flight to YVR, but instead of using the 777 or 787, they are using the A380. China has limits on flights and city pairs during the pandemic, so China Southern only can fly once weekly to the designated cities. The significance is they could use any aircraft to YVR and they chose to assign the A380 to it. So as a route that is more significant than a one-off cargo charter to YUL, it's that simple

Denscity Apr 30, 2020 5:54 AM

Doesn't the 225 fly to Alberta every year? Either O n G or livestock related?

thenoflyzone Apr 30, 2020 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 8908088)
If a 747 can be modified to carry a shuttle, I think a 380 could be as well

That's where you're wrong. It's one of the reasons why you don't see all cargo A380s flying around. The frame and payload capacity for it's mass is far inferior to that of the B747.

https://www.flexport.com/blog/airbus...go-equivalent/

Quote:

An A380-F would be too fat to fly at a profit: The plane would hit the maximum payload (a constraint of weight) before its maximum cubic space (a constraint of volume). Its design can’t support the maximum payload required to generate a profit.

Consider a comparison with the Boeing 747-400F, a popular air freighter. The 747 has a maximum take-off weight of 448,000 kilograms to the A380’s 575,000. In addition, the 747 has a cargo capacity of 710 m3 to the hypothetical A380-F’s 1134 m3. The A380-F would be able to carry 60% more volume than the 747, but only 28% more weight. It wouldn’t be fully loaded at typical levels of air cargo density, or at least nothing close to what can be supported by the thrust capacity of the 747.
What's that word I was using? Oh yeah......TOY.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 8907974)
I'd have to agree on this one. Doesn't BA fly an A380 into YVR regularly? I don't understand the circlejerk on here over China Southern flying an A380 into YVR.

The fact that there is only one An-225 in the world is very impressive.

Exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 8908248)
Doesn't the 225 fly to Alberta every year? Either O n G or livestock related?

Could be. Could also be you're thinking about the An-225's "little" sister, the Antonov 124.

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8908216)
Such a weird "competition" over the A380 vs. Antonov lol! The plans are two different beats entirely, pointless to compare them. The Antonov to YUL is just a cargo mission, whereas China Southern is a regularly scheduled flight to YVR, but instead of using the 777 or 787, they are using the A380. China has limits on flights and city pairs during the pandemic, so China Southern only can fly once weekly to the designated cities. The significance is they could use any aircraft to YVR and they chose to assign the A380 to it. So as a route that is more significant than a one-off cargo charter to YUL, it's that simple

What's weird about it? it's 2 of the largest planes in the world. What better criteria for comparison? The A380 is an inferior product. Both in terms of pax transport (as evidenced by its lack of sales) and cargo. Period.

And it's YMX. not YUL.

YUL can't handle the An-225. It could barely handle the A380.

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Originally Posted by spaceprobe (Post 8907969)
A 747 can carry the space shuttle.

Hence why I never called the B747 a toy.

Airboy Apr 30, 2020 2:47 PM

the An 225 has been to YEG a few times but it is not an annual visit. We do get the An 124 a few times a year.

craneSpotter Apr 30, 2020 2:59 PM

Some more international service updates by foreign carriers to Canada for the month of May:

Sichuan Airlines:

Chengdu – Vancouver (1 weekly) A350-900XWB

Japan Air Lines (JAL):

Tokyo Narita – Vancouver (1 weekly) 787-8

All Nippon Airways (ANA):

Tokyo Haneda – Vancouver (3 weekly) 787-9



Yeah some A350 action! Monthly schedules the norm right now it seems...

Again, wonder how full these planes are.


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