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Alexcaban Mar 18, 2020 2:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8865274)
Now they added one: YVR-MEL

Though from the wording, seems like they're blaming the seasonal suspension on coronavirus...

Right.... Covid-19

TheGreatestX Mar 18, 2020 3:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LO 044 (Post 8864494)
Is Swoop included in this?

As of right now, Swoop still has transborder and international flights scheduled.

thenoflyzone Mar 18, 2020 2:27 PM

YYZ posted Jan and Feb numbers.

https://tpprodcdnep.azureedge.net/-/...y-feb-2020.pdf

January 2020

3,825,948 -0.3%

February 2020

3,606,000 +0.6%

Domestic +2.5%
International -0.4%
Transborder -0.2%

YTD total: 7,431,948 +0.1%

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January 2020 numbers for Canada's 6 busiest airports:

YYZ 3,825,948 -0.3%
YVR 2,021,535 -0.3%
YUL 1,600,363 +4.5%
YYC 1,337,788 -3.6%
YEG 624,827 -4.5%
YOW 406,382 +0.7%

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8864480)
at least this will halt the weird competitive behaviour on here with pax numbers (although not so sure, maybe people will still rival over #s during the shutdowns!)

This is an airport thread. Pax numbers are very much relevant. Also, January numbers weren't affected by COVID, and begin to illustrate the kind of year the airports would have had without the spread of the virus.

The numbers speak for themselves !

Airboy Mar 18, 2020 2:41 PM

sounds like Porter is suspending operations.

kwoldtimer Mar 18, 2020 2:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 8865797)
sounds like Porter is suspending operations.

Until June

Airboy Mar 18, 2020 2:43 PM

yup but still quite a while.

zahav Mar 18, 2020 5:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 8865443)
Right.... Covid-19

YVR-MEL was already moved to seasonal long before the Covid-related issues. At this point those lists are useless anyways, everything is pretty much stopping it seems like. Sadly, a shorter list would be routes that are actually still flying... airlineroute.net should be posting what is still flying for the next couple months instead of what is cancelled lol... I always frequented that site because it had such good updates on new routes/changes etc. But now it is like reading the obituaries in the newspaper and I can't digest all of it :(

thenoflyzone Mar 18, 2020 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 8865797)
sounds like Porter is suspending operations.

Good decision. It’s the only way small regional airlines like PD will survive.

craner Mar 18, 2020 6:38 PM

Probably a stupid question by me but where are all the grounded aircraft being stored ?

thenoflyzone Mar 18, 2020 7:10 PM

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Originally Posted by craner (Post 8866231)
Probably a stupid question by me but where are all the grounded aircraft being stored ?

No major groundings yet. We will find out next week, when AC, WS, Sunwing and PD all ground part or all of their fleets.

Here at YUL, until 2 days ago, airport movements was near 100% (650 per day this time of the year). Cancelations started yesterday, slowly. This time next week, YUL, like most airports, will be a ghost town.

zahav Mar 18, 2020 7:23 PM

I hope AC and WS take this downtime to repaint lots of planes. Moreso for AC than WS (since WS's change isn't really noticeable), but ACs new and old livery are so different, it would be nice to get more of those workhorse 320s and 319s painted, as well as the Jazz ones (I feel like some Jazz planes even have the yellow/green/red livery from the really old days!). I am OCD so seeing a row of AC planes at the gate in the same fresh new livery would be so nice, instead of new, toothpaste, toothpaste, new, toothpaste, new, new...

casper Mar 18, 2020 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8866307)
I hope AC and WS take this downtime to repaint lots of planes. Moreso for AC than WS (since WS's change isn't really noticeable), but ACs new and old livery are so different, it would be nice to get more of those workhorse 320s and 319s painted, as well as the Jazz ones (I feel like some Jazz planes even have the yellow/green/red livery from the really old days!). I am OCD so seeing a row of AC planes at the gate in the same fresh new livery would be so nice, instead of new, toothpaste, toothpaste, new, toothpaste, new, new...

Both of these airlines are going to be in cash conservation mode. I don't think they are going to contract out any maintenance that is not required for safety or to maintain the aircraft certified.

TheGreatestX Mar 18, 2020 10:43 PM

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MONTREAL, March 18, 2020 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada said today that it will gradually suspend the majority of its international and U.S. transborder flights by March 31, 2020 in response to decisions by national governments, including Canada and the United States, to close borders and restrict commercial aviation as a result of the COVID-19 crisis. Subject to further government restrictions, the airline intends to continue to serve a small number of international and U.S. trans-border destinations from select Canadian cities after April 1, 2020. The airline also intends to continue serving all provinces and territories of Canada after that date, albeit with a significantly reduced network.

All schedule changes can be found at www.aircanada.com.

International and U.S. transborder services

In order to facilitate the continued repatriation of citizens to their home countries, including Canadians back to Canada, and to support the essential movement of needed goods and cargo during the crisis, Air Canada intends to continue to operate a limited number of international "air bridges" between one or more of its Canadian hubs and the cities of London, Paris, Frankfurt, Delhi, Tokyo and Hong Kong from April 1 until at least April 30. This will reduce its international network from 101 airports to six.

As to U.S. transborder services, given the decision by the U.S. and Canadian governments today, from April 1, Air Canada will reduce its transborder network from 53 airports to 13, subject to further reductions based on demand or government edicts. The cities with continued service will be: New York (LGA and EWR), Boston, Washington, D.C. (IAD and DCA), Chicago, Houston, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Denver, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale.

Domestic Canada network

Air Canada intends to continue to serve all provinces and territories of Canada, reducing its domestic network from 62 airports to 40 through a reduced network during the period April 1 to 30, subject to further reductions based on demand or government edict.
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2020...ID-19-Response

nname Mar 18, 2020 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 8866548)

International Routes for April:

YVR-HKG
YVR-NRT
YVR-DEL
YVR-LHR

YYZ-DEL
YYZ-LHR
YYZ-FRA

YUL-CDG
YUL-LHR
YUL-FRA

All flights daily except 4x weekly HKG, and all other long-hual flight cancelled.

For some odd reason, I still see 3-4x weekly YVR-TPE but every other ones I've tested had been removed.

zahav Mar 18, 2020 11:19 PM

Jesus that is bare bones as it gets! Even if things bounce back the impact is brutal

Djeffery Mar 19, 2020 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by craner (Post 8866231)
Probably a stupid question by me but where are all the grounded aircraft being stored ?

Read on a local aviation spotters FB page today that Kitchener is closing one of it's runways for aircraft storage. I imagine we could see several regional airports in southern Ontario storing some. Even a place like YCE Centralia, north of London, has a couple decent size runways (5000 and 4400 feet) that has had 727 and 737 in there for refurbishment, and can probably hold a couple dozen aircraft around the field. A former runway is about 2700, and there are a bunch of taxiways inside the triangle as well.

thenoflyzone Mar 19, 2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8866566)

YUL-CDG
YUL-LHR
YUL-FRA

We'll just pretend it's 2006 again. That was the extent of AC's European network from YUL back then.

Bishop2047 Mar 19, 2020 11:08 AM

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...ravel.html#/na

Here is the list of suspended flights.

Some start March 23- April 30

Others April 1- April 30

hollywoodcory Mar 19, 2020 1:52 PM

YYC will literally be nothing now. Both AC / WS have now cancelled all US / International markets leaving just KLM / BA as scheduled international and the American airlines left in transborder for the month of April.

Dirt_Devil Mar 19, 2020 2:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8866976)
YYC will literally be nothing now. Both AC / WS have now cancelled all US / International markets leaving just KLM / BA as scheduled international and the American airlines left in transborder for the month of April.

I think the opposite....if you compare YYC'S numbers to YYZ YVR and YUL, Calgary is much more domestic and the other 3.

Not saying domestic numbers won't be affected, but it can't be as bad as flights being simply cancelled like most international flights out of the 3 bigger airports. And they also have higher transborder numbers so they will probably be more impacted there too....

Your thoughts guys?


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