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zahav Feb 16, 2020 10:10 PM

Arizona is big for all western provinces, but proportionally AB is the most I'd say. The East is Florida, Myrtle Beach, etc. plus of course all the more easily accessible Caribbean destinations that are a major trek from the west. BC has lots of California (Palm Springs mainly), plus AZ, and then of course Hawaii is the biggie for us here.

Nick Feb 16, 2020 10:17 PM

Lots of prairies going to Palm Springs and other parts of Socal. We were just in PSP and there's a fair amount of representation from all of Western Canada.

Dominion301 Feb 16, 2020 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8832790)
Will be interesting to see if the Via Rail cancelations between Toronto and Montreal will boost domestic pax numbers at YYZ/YTZ/YUL. Seeing quite a few more heavies than usual between YYZ and YUL. With all the China cancelations, AC has some spare widebodies they can use. Pretty convenient with the train situation in Eastern Canada.

The same thing is happening in Ottawa. For example, I was going to book the train to Toronto in a couple of weeks (on a reward seat) but opted for Porter instead.

Coldrsx Feb 16, 2020 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick (Post 8833147)
Lots of prairies going to Palm Springs and other parts of Socal. We were just in PSP and there's a fair amount of representation from all of Western Canada.

The number of people in Edmonton with places in Palm Springs/Desert/PHX or time shares in L.V. is astonishing.

thenoflyzone Feb 17, 2020 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8804859)


2019 YTD October International numbers:

1. JFK 29,184,889 (+3.0%)
2. YYZ 27,377,305 (+2.5%)
3. LAX 21,692,237 (-1.4%)
4. MIA 18,580,259 (+3.4%)
5. MEX 14,621,384 (+~2.5%)
6. PTY
7. CUN 13,682,731 (+~0.5%)
8. SFO 12,845,491 (+7.4%)
9. ORD 12,173,390 (+3.0%)
10. EWR 12,050,253 (+1.4%)
11. YVR 11,652,075 (+1.4%)
12. YUL 11,209,688 (+6.4%)
13. ATL 10,784,008 (+1.4%)
14. IAH 9,210,076
15. DFW 8,093,630 (+10.1%)


2019 YTD November International numbers (unless otherwise noted):

1. JFK 31,586,724 (+2.4%)
2. YYZ 27,377,305 (+2.5%) (October)
3. LAX 23,576,861 (-1.6%)
4. MIA 20,358,155 (+2.7%)
5. MEX 16,050,314 (+~2.5%)
6. PTY
7. CUN 14,976,125 (+~0.5%)
8. SFO 13,981,745 (+7.1%)
9. EWR 13,174,425 (+1.8%)
10. ORD 13,132,870 (+2.5%)
11. YVR 12,601,189 (+~1.5%)
12. YUL 12,050,636 (+6.4%)
13. ATL 11,660,132 (+1.3%)
14. IAH 10,086,046
15. DFW 8,785,170 (+9.6%)

Most of these airports have published full year figures, except for the obvious culprits, as usual (YUL, YYZ, JFK, EWR, ORD). Once they do, i'll publish the full year figures.

G.S MTL Feb 17, 2020 5:28 PM

Yul 2019 numbers

final

20,305,106 +4.5%

Domestic
7,192,116 +0.6%

International
8,595,100 +9.3%

Transborder
4,517,890 +2.3%

thenoflyzone Feb 17, 2020 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 8833621)
Yul 2019 numbers

final

20,305,106 +4.5%

Domestic
7,192,116 +0.6%

International
8,595,100 +9.3%

Transborder
4,517,890 +2.3%

About time. Great numbers ! Especially international.

Overall international+transborder is at 13,112,990 +6.8%. Thats 831,000 more than in 2018. YUL passed ATL in 2019, and will pass YVR in 2020. (YVR finished the year with 13,713,885 +1.7%, and will most likely be in negative territory in 2020)

G.S MTL Feb 17, 2020 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8833928)
About time. Great numbers ! Especially international.

Overall international+transborder is at 13,112,990 +6.8%. Thats 831,000 more than in 2018. YUL passed ATL in 2019, and will pass YVR in 2020. (YVR finished the year with 13,713,885 +1.7%, and will most likely be in negative territory in 2020)

looks like YVR will get hit big time if this corona virus isnt contained.

thenoflyzone Feb 17, 2020 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 8833934)
looks like YVR will get hit big time if this corona virus isnt contained.

Even if they announce it's contained tomorrow, damage is already done. Visitor numbers to China will stay low for the rest of the year, if not longer. Heck, on the news today, they were saying places like Thailand and Vietnam are feeling it, as visitor numbers are lower there as well. People are already planning their summer 2020 vacations, and it's a guarantee East Asia isn't at the top of their minds. Japan is hosting the Olympics this year, so will be interesting to see how this impacts visitor numbers there. Japan, being a "cleaner" country, might be able to mitigate the tourism decline somewhat.

YVR and LAX are probably the 2 airports in North America that will feel it the most, as they have the most Chinese flights. LAX intl numbers were already in negative territory to finish off 2019. It will be the same in 2020. So will YVR's number.

G.S MTL Feb 17, 2020 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8833947)
Even if they announce it's contained tomorrow, damage is already done. Visitor numbers to China will stay low for the rest of the year, if not longer. Heck, on the news today, they were saying places like Thailand and Vietnam are feeling it, as visitor numbers are lower there as well. People are already planning their summer 2020 vacations, and it's a guarantee East Asia isn't at the top of their minds. Japan is hosting the Olympics this year, so will be interesting to see how this impacts visitor numbers there. Japan, being a "cleaner" country, might be able to mitigate the tourism decline somewhat.

YVR and LAX are probably the 2 airports in North America that will feel it the most, as they have the most Chinese flights. LAX intl numbers were already in negative territory to finish off 2019. It will be the same in 2020. So will YVR's number.

Yup! I agree, it will have a major impact on traffic at YVR....

Hali87 Feb 18, 2020 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bishop2047 (Post 8833123)
He was referring to those on the East Coast not seeing Arizona and Vegas are typical southern destinations. On the East coast the snowbirds go to Florida and Georgia far more often.

Exactly. Although I would say that Vegas is a relatively popular destination due to all the stuff there that you really only find in Vegas (although note that there are no direct YHZ-LAS flights). My main point is that the idea that Phoenix would be seen as a vacation/touristy place while Montreal would not be is the opposite of what I'm used to. (Also bear in mind that my main frame of reference is people in their 20s and 30s, not snowbirds or retirees)

giallo Feb 18, 2020 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8833141)
Arizona is big for all western provinces, but proportionally AB is the most I'd say. The East is Florida, Myrtle Beach, etc. plus of course all the more easily accessible Caribbean destinations that are a major trek from the west. BC has lots of California (Palm Springs mainly), plus AZ, and then of course Hawaii is the biggie for us here.

My parents snowbirded in Palm Springs for years. They've recently changed to Mexico. It seems like the Baja has its far share of Canadians.

Hali87 Feb 18, 2020 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8833141)
Arizona is big for all western provinces, but proportionally AB is the most I'd say. The East is Florida, Myrtle Beach, etc. plus of course all the more easily accessible Caribbean destinations that are a major trek from the west. BC has lots of California (Palm Springs mainly), plus AZ, and then of course Hawaii is the biggie for us here.

And that's only counting "escape the cold" type getaways, which are certainly common here, although not necessarily the dominant type of leisure travel.

To put this another way, personally I know way more people who have gone to Montreal for leisure this winter than all sun destinations combined.

SpongeG Feb 18, 2020 3:49 AM

A guy who was in the grade below me in High School worked in Ft Mac, recently moved to the Edmonton area, a few years ago he built a house in Mexico for his family, in Baja. Hes in his mid 40s, I should have had better guidance in high school :(

hollywoodcory Feb 18, 2020 1:56 PM

AC seems to have removed the YYZ tag from AC9/10 this summer, operating solely as YYC-NRT-YYC (from what I can see).

Also YYC-LHR looks to have upgraded to a 77W right through summer too.

jmt18325 Feb 18, 2020 2:07 PM

Air Canada looks to be buying 4 more A330s this year, and keeping the 767 at mainline for the rest of the year.

nname Feb 18, 2020 5:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8834364)
Also YYC-LHR looks to have upgraded to a 77W right through summer too.

More changes from schedule update yesterday for S20:

Longhual downgauge
YUL-PVG (788/789), NRT (788/789), FRA (788/789)
YYZ-PVG (788), PEK (789), MXP (788)
YVR-PEK (789)

Surprisingly, YUL-PVG is still a 789

Long-haul cuts
YVR-MEL (suspended, as reported last week)
YYZ-DXB (4->3x weekly)

Long-hual upgauge
YVR-KIX,FRA
YUL-TLV,BRU
YYC-LHR
YYZ-BRU
YOW-LHR

MAX removal
YVR-HNL (4x 789), OGG (3x 789), EWR (319)
YYC-CUN

New Rouge route
YUL-MBJ (1x weekly)

Rouge reduction
YYZ-YKA,UVF,BUD,PRG,ATH,WAW,LIM,OPO,OTP,TXL
YUL-VCE,ALG,ATH

Express service increase
YYZ-YQY
YVR-SMF

Express reduction
YUL-YQG,YUY*,YVO*

* = restructure into 1x daily YUL-YUY-YVO-YUL and v.v.

The reduction should free up almost 3 763s... to be used for domestic substitute for MAX?

Alexcaban Feb 18, 2020 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8834574)
More changes from schedule update yesterday for S20:

Longhual downgauge
YUL-NRT (788), FRA (788)
YYZ-PVG (788), PEK (789), MXP (788)
YVR-PEK (789)

Surprisingly, YUL-PVG is still a 789

YUL-NRT/FRA/PVG is showing mix 788/789 random days of the week

nname Feb 18, 2020 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 8834611)
YUL-NRT/FRA/PVG is showing mix 788/789 random days of the week

urgh... let me re-scan the long-haul with the slower method :shrug:

[EDIT] weird.. AC schedule gives different result with different query method...

Alexcaban Feb 18, 2020 6:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8834616)
urgh... let me re-scan the long-haul with the slower method :shrug:

[EDIT] weird.. AC schedule gives different result with different query method...

I'm sure there are still a dozen more changes before we actually have the real summer schedule.

MAX's are still all over the place for July. YVR-YUL, all 3 YUL-SFO still show 7M8.


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