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p_xavier Jan 23, 2020 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8809634)
Seems like a new airlines is coming:

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2020-12

Stuck in the Middle Airlines?

I wasn't getting your phrasing at all until I read the ruling. What a stupid name.

Dominion301 Jan 24, 2020 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8808715)
Hi everyone. The Time Air Society of Lethbridge are trying to save one of the F-28s at YXE that have been parked there for over 15 years.

They are about $3,250 shy of their goal, but only have until the end of January to succeed (otherwise it will join all the other YXE F-28s and head off to the scrapper. If you can donate even as little as $20, it would go a long way to preserving a piece of Canadian (and Dutch) aviation history.

Here’s the link to their GoFundMe page: https://www.gofundme.com/f/saving-cf...281000-sn11106

Even if you can’t afford to donate, spread the word.

Just to provide an update on fundraising, only $2,760 left to raise. Even a $5 donation would help.

hollywoodcory Jan 24, 2020 4:08 PM

https://www.yyc.com/News/tabid/91/ar...s-en-2019.aspx

YYC announced today they had 18 million passengers travel through in 2019. They haven't posted the December totals yet, so no exact number known yet.

Article also mentions how YYC was directly impacted by the Max grounding:

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YYC was the fourth most impacted airport in North America and eighth most impacted in the world by the grounding of the Boeing 737 Max in terms of flights. As a result of the grounding, we estimate 2,300 fewer flights and 300,000 fewer available seats from through YYC
Edited to add the full numbers.

December / Year-end totals:

Domestic: 989,686 +0.4% (2019 total: 12,513,961 +2.27%)
Transborder: 286,718 +5.7% (2019 total: 3,527,257 +5.56%)
International: 164,622 -0.6% (2019 total: 1,916,562 +8.53%)
December total: 1,441,026 +1.3%

2019 complete total: 17,957,780 +3.54%

thenoflyzone Jan 24, 2020 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8810342)

Article also mentions how YYC was directly impacted by the Max grounding:

Interesting.

YYZ, YVR and YUL must be 1, 2 and 3rd most impacted in North America.

whatnext Jan 24, 2020 7:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8810528)
Interesting.

YYZ, YVR and YUL must be 1, 2 and 3rd most impacted in North America.

Is Air Canada still paying it's 737Max pilots to sit around at home? At least WS could redeploy them in the older variants.

thenoflyzone Jan 24, 2020 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 8810576)
Is Air Canada still paying it's 737Max pilots to sit around at home? At least WS could redeploy them in the older variants.

I believe so, yes.

Mazrim Jan 25, 2020 4:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8810333)
Just to provide an update on fundraising, only $2,760 left to raise. Even a $5 donation would help.

It's fully funded!

hollywoodcory Jan 26, 2020 7:11 PM

WS loaded some MAX changes in today's schedule update.

Looks like YHZ-CDG got completely removed. It doesn't show at all this summer.

zahav Jan 26, 2020 7:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8812019)
WS loaded some MAX changes in today's schedule update.

Looks like YHZ-CDG got completely removed. It doesn't show at all this summer.

Hmm ya you're right, it doesn't show up. Of all the European destinations from YHZ, that was probably the weaker one. London and Dublin are probably decently strong. Manchester is probably well below those two, and Glasgow could be good but it isn't a huge draw from either side so might be a struggle

YYCguys Jan 26, 2020 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8812027)
Hmm ya you're right, it doesn't show up. Of all the European destinations from YHZ, that was probably the weaker one. London and Dublin are probably decently strong. Manchester is probably well below those two, and Glasgow could be good but it isn't a huge draw from either side so might be a struggle

Seems they are connecting guests on alternate carriers such as AF/EI via other WS European destinations such as DUB and LGW to CDG.

Dominion301 Jan 27, 2020 4:49 AM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8812027)
Hmm ya you're right, it doesn't show up. Of all the European destinations from YHZ, that was probably the weaker one. London and Dublin are probably decently strong. Manchester is probably well below those two, and Glasgow could be good but it isn't a huge draw from either side so might be a struggle

I think it’s more a case of it’s the only one that requires the range of the MAX.

Similarly, I see with AC’s YOW-MCO cut, the route returns after Labour Day. In other words, it looks like this too (like YHZ-LHR) is only a temporary MAX-related reduction as opposed to a permanent loss. Otherwise why would they bring it back for arguably the quietest month of the year at MCO? It’s because it’s post-summer peak, so the aircraft shortages won’t be as critical.

nname Jan 27, 2020 8:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8812336)
Similarly, I see with AC’s YOW-MCO cut, the route returns after Labour Day. In other words, it looks like this too (like YHZ-LHR) is only a temporary MAX-related reduction as opposed to a permanent loss. Otherwise why would they bring it back for arguably the quietest month of the year at MCO? It’s because it’s post-summer peak, so the aircraft shortages won’t be as critical.

Just a note, last week AC only update their schedule up to September 7. Sept 8 and after are still an edited carbon copy of last fall's schedule and almost unchanged compared to the schedule 2 weeks ago.

They used to update the schedule for the entire season at once, but probably got their hand all tied up with all the MAX-related changes...

nname Jan 29, 2020 9:28 AM

Air Canada is reducing flights to China

YVR-HKG 1 flight every other week cancelled Feb-March
YYZ-HKG 1 flight cancelled March

YVR-PVG 5 flights cancelled Feb-April
YYZ-PVG Reduce to 5-6x weekly March; 1 flight cancelled every other week Feb, April
YUL-PVG Reduce to 4-6x weekly Feb-April

YVR-PEK No change
YYZ-PEK No change

Cage Jan 29, 2020 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8814533)
Air Canada is reducing flights to China

YVR-HKG 1 flight every other week cancelled Feb-March
YYZ-HKG 1 flight cancelled March

YVR-PVG 5 flights cancelled Feb-April
YYZ-PVG Reduce to 5-6x weekly March; 1 flight cancelled every other week Feb, April
YUL-PVG Reduce to 4-6x weekly Feb-April

YVR-PEK No change
YYZ-PEK No change

This should pull enough 787/777 capacity out of the market that AC could get maintenance done earlier and free up additional hours during mid June to early September period. I am expecting the transcon schedule for 2020 will be much like 2019, heavily widebody based for YVR and YYC, with YEG using rouge 767s.

I am now expecting the max8 to return to service at airlines during September at the earliest. This assumes regulatory approval at the end of June. July and August will be used up by pilot additional training. Good thing for AC that they have their own sims. There are 400 pilots that might have to redo a bunch of their training in order to be recertified on the max8.

I suspect that regulators will require a division of the max8 certification from NG certification such that the max8 is a completely different certification. For AC, the challenge will be they might have to "go along to get along" and retrain the pilots from scratch. For public perception perspective, I hope this is the approach AC will take. It will be far easier for AC to say their pilots did same training as every other max8 pilot rather than say the AC pilots have all ready done full training and only require an update or differences training seminar.

TheGreatestX Jan 29, 2020 8:12 PM

Air Canada has cancelled all flights to Beijing and Shanghai for the remainder of this month and all of February.

Dominion301 Jan 29, 2020 8:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8814533)
Air Canada is reducing flights to China

YVR-HKG 1 flight every other week cancelled Feb-March
YYZ-HKG 1 flight cancelled March

YVR-PVG 5 flights cancelled Feb-April
YYZ-PVG Reduce to 5-6x weekly March; 1 flight cancelled every other week Feb, April
YUL-PVG Reduce to 4-6x weekly Feb-April

YVR-PEK No change
YYZ-PEK No change

In addition, AC have now cancelled all China flights until March 1st.

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Air Canada's last flights departing Canada will operate today and the return flights will operate from Beijing and Shanghai tomorrow, January 30, 2020. Affected customers will be notified and offered options, including travel on other carriers where available, or a full refund. Air Canada regrets this situation and apologizes for the serious disruption to our customers' travel plans.
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...813827197.html

That will put a bit of a bite into YVR, YUL and YYZ's international pax numbers over the next two months.

Airboy Jan 29, 2020 8:23 PM

Couldn't get over how many people were wearing masks at YVR when I flew through yesterday. There was a Chinese flight that came in. everyone on it had masks.

kwoldtimer Jan 29, 2020 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 8815060)
Couldn't get over how many people were wearing masks at YVR when I flew through yesterday. There was a Chinese flight that came in. everyone on it had masks.

Hey, if it makes people feel better ....

nname Jan 29, 2020 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 8815060)
Couldn't get over how many people were wearing masks at YVR when I flew through yesterday. There was a Chinese flight that came in. everyone on it had masks.

I guess you haven't taken public transit in Asia much... wearing mask on bus and train are a norm in some part of Asia, even without the virus. I know some people who refuse to go out on any day without a mask...

There were many people wearing mask on my flight from TPE back in November (flu season), they just normally don't wear them in airport so you don't really see it...

p_xavier Jan 29, 2020 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 8815224)
I guess you haven't taken public transit in Asia much... wearing mask on bus and train are a norm in some part of Asia, even without the virus. I know some people who refuse to go out on any day without a mask...

There were many people wearing mask on my flight from TPE back in November (flu season), they just normally don't wear them in airport so you don't really see it...

I always wear one in public in Asia, I'm seeing many in MTL wearing one on the metro now, not a bad thing.


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