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Nerv Jul 9, 2015 4:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 7089601)
[*]This city has a bit of an inferiority complex, never thinking it is as worthy as other places like LA or SF.[/LIST]

Having lived in Los Angeles and San Francisco (with a bunch of family still in both cities) I'm going to comment that some of our perception from them is we think we are better. How many times do we hear our positives over LA's negatives?

I like all three cities for different reasons but if I wanted San Diego to be exactly like one of them I'd just move back there. I live here because I don't want San Diego to be exactly like them. Both those cities have issues I at least don't want to deal with on a day to day basis.


I will say a lot of the negative comments on how much better those cities are over us here is from people who like to pick on every little thing in the city that isn't done to their standards. We'll never do this or be that or whatever.

Nimby's exist all over. Not just here. In my opinion they aren't all bad because when you lack voices against things you get unrestrained building that leads to its own problems. Nimbly' at their best keep things in check. Now at their worst they stall or kill projects we need.

San Diego's nimby's can't stop the cities progress now. The cats out of the bag for them. They can downsize or stall or even kill a few projects here and there but the city will continue to grow despite their opposition. They can slow things, not stop them entirely. It's been that way for years now.

We are Californias oldest city in age but the newest in development when compared to LA or SF so it's not always fair to compare us. At least we've been able to stand out as a city in California and not get eaten up in the shadows of LA (like the OC) or SF (like San Jose,etc.). When I say I'm from San Diego to my friends back east they know now exactly where I'm from.

spoonman Jul 9, 2015 11:12 PM

Shot of part of downtown from Shelter Island. You can see the impact of 15th & Island (and crane) in this picture towards the right side. This first tower, plus the second tower should help fill in our skyline's "dead spot"...at least from this vantage point.

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img...15c2d8bc4ecd52

spoonman Jul 10, 2015 6:05 AM

Interesting article about the undermining of density goals in East Village as a result of the recession.

http://sandiego.urbdezine.com/2015/0...nder-building/

dales5050 Jul 10, 2015 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 7090536)
Interesting article about the undermining of density goals in East Village as a result of the recession.

http://sandiego.urbdezine.com/2015/0...nder-building/

Bummer.

Since this mentioned the Salvation Army, is it cold to think that the Salvation Army should wait until the market is at it's peak again and sell the various parcels they own?

They can stay downtown but a single consolidated building would do better for the city and the cash they would get from the sale would go to help those in need.

The Flying Dutchman Jul 10, 2015 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dales5050 (Post 7090615)
Bummer.

Since this mentioned the Salvation Army, is it cold to think that the Salvation Army should wait until the market is at it's peak again and sell the various parcels they own?

They can stay downtown but a single consolidated building would do better for the city and the cash they would get from the sale would go to help those in need.

Can confirm building permits for IDEA1 were rejected. As for what will happen to the site, I don't think anyone knows.

LOTS of new information was released by CivicSD today via their notices. As it is, I'm too lazy to post it here for you guys, sorry!

Northparkwizard Jul 11, 2015 12:05 AM

4th and J drawings.

Alexan Little Italy drawings.

mello Jul 11, 2015 12:38 AM

Building permits were rejected... Why? I thought IDEA1 was set to go. Spoonman: go to Bali Hai on shelter island and walk over to where they do weddings right on bay 15th and Island perfectly fills gap from there.

spoonman Jul 11, 2015 5:32 AM

Anyone else bummed or surprised that 4th & J is only 6 floors and lacks retail in such a prime location. I know every building can't be a huge tower, but this site is situated between Harbor Club and Gaslamp.

I'm glad that the city took a stand against low density with the rejection of the Idea project, but at least that project had merits. How did this sneak through if Idea didn't??? Any ideas???

Edit: I see that 4th & J has not yet been reviewed. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

tyleraf Jul 11, 2015 6:53 PM

Spoonman: 4th and J is under the Gaslamp's height limit.

SDfan Jul 11, 2015 8:04 PM

Projects:

Alexan Little Italy

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...0Italy%201.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...0Italy%202.jpg

4th & J Street

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...mp%20J%202.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...mp%20J%201.jpg

7th & Market

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Market%201.jpg

Park & Market

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Market%201.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Market%203.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Market%202.jpg

16th & Island

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...blic/16th2.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Island%201.jpg

There was also a listing for a 330 13th Street project, about 240' tall, 240+ units.

SDfan Jul 11, 2015 8:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman (Post 7091542)
Can confirm building permits for IDEA1 were rejected. As for what will happen to the site, I don't think anyone knows.

Where is the info/source for this? If it's true, I would be thrilled. Those mid-rises are going to be the death of the East Village skyline.

SDfan Jul 11, 2015 8:14 PM

Just as a reminder:

7th & A

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ublic/7thA.jpg

Alexan San Diego (just south of 15th & Island)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...lic/Alexan.jpg

That hotel near Alta...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ltonCanopy.jpg

1435 Imperial Ave

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...53Imperial.jpg

New Library Tower

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...y%20Tower.jpeg

spoonman Jul 11, 2015 8:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tyleraf (Post 7092113)
Spoonman: 4th and J is under the Gaslamp's height limit.

True, though I believe the Gaslamp height limit is approximately equal to 12 floors.

Northparkwizard Jul 11, 2015 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 7092165)
True, though I believe the Gaslamp height limit is approximately equal to 12 floors.

Below grade parking, does that factor in to the total floor count? The new Pendry hotel is like block away and it's a mid-ride. Maybe they got a variance?

Seems silly that they're demanding more density in East Village yet discouraging it in the shadow of the Harbor Club Condominiums. But that's the way it is...

:uhh:

mello Jul 11, 2015 10:56 PM

Things are getting stumpy!! Not to complain but Park and Market (I'm assuming its the one that has mostly been referred to as 12th/Market where Quartyard is) should be taller. I was really hoping for something over 400 feet there. Also the new Library Tower is a big disappointment in height. The rest look nice but short... Oh well, guess this is Seattle, Toronoto, or Miami where developers are looking to max out their lots, heck even Austin is building 400 ft. plus residential.

Isn't there another tower by 7th and A that is starting soon as well?

The Flying Dutchman Jul 12, 2015 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 7092152)
Where is the info/source for this? If it's true, I would be thrilled. Those mid-rises are going to be the death of the East Village skyline.

I may be wrong. See the June 17th minutes, scroll down to bottom of page four. It's confusing, but it could be they denied the 6th ave. suites hotel, rather.

http://dcpcsd.com/wp-content/uploads...utes-Draft.pdf

spoonman Jul 12, 2015 2:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7092268)
Things are getting stumpy!! Not to complain but Park and Market (I'm assuming its the one that has mostly been referred to as 12th/Market where Quartyard is) should be taller. I was really hoping for something over 400 feet there. Also the new Library Tower is a big disappointment in height. The rest look nice but short... Oh well, guess this is Seattle, Toronoto, or Miami where developers are looking to max out their lots, heck even Austin is building 400 ft. plus residential.

Isn't there another tower by 7th and A that is starting soon as well?

Don't get too down, man. There are a number of projects over 40 floors...

Broadway and Pacific - 41 floors
880 Broadway - 45 floors
15th & Island 1&2 - 45 floors x 2
Broadway & 7th ("the block") - 41 floors
7th & Market - 42 floors

spoonman Jul 12, 2015 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman (Post 7092343)
I may be wrong. See the June 17th minutes, scroll down to bottom of page four. It's confusing, but it could be they denied the 6th ave. suites hotel, rather.

http://dcpcsd.com/wp-content/uploads...utes-Draft.pdf

Right. It looks like there was pushback, but it may have been approved. :shrug:

SDfan Jul 12, 2015 6:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman (Post 7092343)
I may be wrong. See the June 17th minutes, scroll down to bottom of page four. It's confusing, but it could be they denied the 6th ave. suites hotel, rather.

http://dcpcsd.com/wp-content/uploads...utes-Draft.pdf

According to the minutes, the designs for IDEA 1 were approved. The project is moving forward.

mello Jul 12, 2015 8:30 PM

Does anyone know the height of 12th and Market? I'm hoping there is a chance the developer whose proposal was chosen might add on some more floors. Any news on the California Theatre being torn down and that 436ft. proposal?


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