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Trae May 19, 2007 11:03 PM

I like it!

Here is the new Metro Solutions plan. It is a lot better than before, too:

Metro Solutions Plan 2007

Trae May 19, 2007 11:28 PM

What stores will be in West Ave?

RocTX May 20, 2007 2:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Trae (Post 2845924)
I like it!

Here is the new Metro Solutions plan. It is a lot better than before, too:

Metro Solutions Plan 2007

Thanks for the Metro update. I'm glad to see that they'll start turning dirt petty soon. I saw this article recently saying that Union Pacific officials are casting doubts about the feasibility of running communter rail through the proposed transit center. I wonder if this will affect Metro's planning in any way.

RocTX May 20, 2007 3:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rdavis4559 (Post 2845794)
I know the vacancy rate is low but I don't think its as low as 5%. I thought I remembered the number being discussed here but I went all the way back to the 13th page and found nothing. From my memory (and I could be wrong) the vacancy rate was somewhere around 9-12%.

You're right. The most recent data I can find comes from Grubb-Ellis and it has the CBD office vacancy rate at 16.7% as of the first quarter 2007. The good news is that Nancy Sarnoff at the Chronicle reported that absorption during 2006 through Nov. 1 of that year was at 2.8 million square ft, which was second highest in the city's history after 1981 (at 3.7 million sq ft). The really good news is that this is almost all existing office space vs. 1981, which was mostly new construciton. The more we soak up all of that existing office space the greater the probability of a new tower popping up sometime in the near future.

RocTX May 20, 2007 3:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiPsy (Post 2845778)
Great find with that article, RocTX! What a fascinating "recent historical" perspective to read. I had to laugh out loud at her assertion about the tall buildings precipitating cloud formation, though!

Fun stuff :tup:

Yeah, that was pretty funny. I bet that idea originated from a bunch of NIMBYs!!!

rdavis4559 May 20, 2007 9:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RocTX (Post 2846224)
You're right. The most recent data I can find comes from Grubb-Ellis and it has the CBD office vacancy rate at 16.7% as of the first quarter 2007. The good news is that Nancy Sarnoff at the Chronicle reported that absorption during 2006 through Nov. 1 of that year was at 2.8 million square ft, which was second highest in the city's history after 1981 (at 3.7 million sq ft). The really good news is that this is almost all existing office space vs. 1981, which was mostly new construciton. The more we soak up all of that existing office space the greater the probability of a new tower popping up sometime in the near future.

Great article. Also from the same article is "Stewart Robinson, principal of commercial real estate firm Conine & Robinson' saying that downtown vacancy rate should be close to 10 percent by year-end. And to some, that means it's time to start building new space. But nothing's been announced yet."

Owlhorn May 20, 2007 10:24 AM

The thing I noticed that got things jumpstarted in Dallas was demand for big blocks of office space, which are more rare in inner cities. But, these also have to be inquiries, which these days come from only certain sectors of business. So you could have 1% vacancy and still have a hard time finding enough inquiries to those big blocks. Once you get a few of these, you start getting speculative building. Yes, speculative, but still based on something.

Xeelee May 20, 2007 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RocTX (Post 2846195)
Thanks for the Metro update. I'm glad to see that they'll start turning dirt petty soon. I saw this article recently saying that Union Pacific officials are casting doubts about the feasibility of running communter rail through the proposed transit center. I wonder if this will affect Metro's planning in any way.

They need to divert UP traffic to the northern outskirts of Houston and NOT in the middle of downtown. The Texas Railroad Commission is chock-full of corrupt old-line good-ol boys. They will never agree to such a move.

weatherguru18 May 21, 2007 3:24 AM

Why doesn't METRO make it just one big transit center, including Amtrak? Our Amtrak station in Houston is a sorry excuse...it's a dang bus station placed underneith a freeway. Just a thought.

Trae May 22, 2007 2:27 AM

Team and the City agreed to terms...

70 Million dollar Stadium going up just east of Minute Maid Park..

The team owners will pay most of the cost for the stadium..

in the pre-design it showed the stadium in a diagonal direction from 59 and it will keep some distance from 59 at least in the pre-design at least. Stadium looks dwarfed by MMP though =X

http://houstonx.com/dynamosite2.jpg

Cory May 22, 2007 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by guess (Post 2845848)
right across from the new park and the hilton

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2372/whatse6.jpg


:D

Shasta May 23, 2007 6:50 PM

Here's the new Baylor Clinic and Hospital rendering that broke ground today...

http://www.bcm.edu/development/campa...hrendering.jpg

vjhe May 23, 2007 7:12 PM

^

Right off of the bat, that is one of my favorite designs for Houston in the past decade, simply because it has a "different" element to it, which is something that placed Houston on the architectural map but as a whole has been noticebly absent since the early 90's. Nice design. More More More.

Where exactly will this be located?

Shasta May 24, 2007 5:42 AM

Here's a pic from the Spires Condo just East of the Med Center. You can see the new Pickens Academic Center (formerly called Faculty Center Tower) rising as well as the cranes for the 8 floor expansion to the 12 story Feigin Center at Texas Children's Hospital.
http://harpictures.marketlinx.com/Me...1922060-13.jpg

Xeelee May 24, 2007 6:15 PM

I like that design too. It is about time something a little bolder gets built here... in sharp contrast to the bland designs coming out lately. :)

Xeelee May 24, 2007 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Trae (Post 2849493)
Team and the City agreed to terms...

70 Million dollar Stadium going up just east of Minute Maid Park..

The team owners will pay most of the cost for the stadium..

in the pre-design it showed the stadium in a diagonal direction from 59 and it will keep some distance from 59 at least in the pre-design at least. Stadium looks dwarfed by MMP though =X

http://houstonx.com/dynamosite2.jpg

This should really help business in the area. :)

Complex01 May 24, 2007 6:31 PM

:previous:

I agree. The area has some development, hopefully this will give it a bigger push. Nice DT has really come a long way, and still has some more great potential...

:yes:

Texas Tuff May 24, 2007 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vjhe (Post 2853258)
^

Right off of the bat, that is one of my favorite designs for Houston in the past decade, simply because it has a "different" element to it, which is something that placed Houston on the architectural map but as a whole has been noticebly absent since the early 90's. Nice design. More More More.

Where exactly will this be located?

According to the BCM website, the new clinic and hospital will be located at the corner of Cambridge and Old Spanish Trail across from the VA hospital.
Check out the detailed map on www.bcm.edu under news and events on the first page.

RocTX May 28, 2007 2:18 AM

Across from the Children's Museum
 
I took my daughter to the Children's Museum today and I saw a notice for a high-rise development across the street. I think the sign referred medical space and the picture on the sign looked like at least 20 stories, but I was too far away to see it clearly. Does anyone know anything about this one? I believe the block is at Binz, La Branch, Calumet, and Austin St.

Shasta May 28, 2007 5:00 AM

Yeah, that's a proposal that's been around for awhile now. Starting to doubt if this one will rise. You can find out more here,

www.binzmedcorp.com

Shasta May 29, 2007 2:20 AM

Does anyone in Houston know if this is under construction?

http://www.wulfe.com/Realister/manag...iana-night.jpg

This is a proposal for 3201 Louisiana Street in Midtown. Apparently, 24 Hour Fitness has leased the entire second floor (24,000 square feet) and only a few small spaces remain on ground level. This is good news if it is rising because of the way it is built to the street and because it has garage parking rather than surface.

toxteth o'grady May 29, 2007 2:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Trae (Post 2849493)
Team and the City agreed to terms...

70 Million dollar Stadium going up just east of Minute Maid Park..

The team owners will pay most of the cost for the stadium..

in the pre-design it showed the stadium in a diagonal direction from 59 and it will keep some distance from 59 at least in the pre-design at least. Stadium looks dwarfed by MMP though =X

Maybe I'm jaded, but $70 million sounds like a lot of bucks being thrown around for a soccer stadium. How many seats, and how does it compare with the stadium in Frisco, Texas?

Complex01 May 29, 2007 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasta (Post 2863985)
Does anyone in Houston know if this is under construction?

This is a proposal for 3201 Louisiana Street in Midtown. Apparently, 24 Hour Fitness has leased the entire second floor (24,000 square feet) and only a few small spaces remain on ground level. This is good news if it is rising because of the way it is built to the street and because it has garage parking rather than surface.


I passed by the site this weekend, and dont recall anything new, other then that fact that its still fenced in. I was wandering what they were going to do at that location.

RocTX May 29, 2007 8:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasta (Post 2862479)
Yeah, that's a proposal that's been around for awhile now. Starting to doubt if this one will rise. You can find out more here,

www.binzmedcorp.com

Yup...that's what I saw. The curved tower is ok but not very original. I don't like the base/parking garage and surrounding plaza at all. The area around there has a decent amount of foliage, so why did they just leave half a dozen small trees in the middle of a barren plaza that has all the appeal of paved surface parking? So much for pedestrian-oriented development near the light rail!! To me, this looks more appropriate for Westchase. It won't kill me if this one doesn't go up--I think the area around the museums deserves much better.

Thanks for the link.

Cory May 30, 2007 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasta (Post 2863985)
Does anyone in Houston know if this is under construction?

http://www.wulfe.com/Realister/manag...iana-night.jpg

This is a proposal for 3201 Louisiana Street in Midtown. Apparently, 24 Hour Fitness has leased the entire second floor (24,000 square feet) and only a few small spaces remain on ground level. This is good news if it is rising because of the way it is built to the street and because it has garage parking rather than surface.


If that is McGowen, it is definitely under construction.

edit: eh, looks like what is going in near the Calais. Site has been inactive for a while.

Shasta May 31, 2007 4:41 AM

Bummer to read that it is inactive. With 24 Hour Fitness signing for the entire 2nd floor and most of the ground floor spoken for (according to Wulfe's website), it seems like it should rise soon.

And, while not the greatest looking project, this just appeared on har.com tonight...

http://harpictures.marketlinx.com/Me...r1928390-1.jpg

the lot today
http://harpictures.marketlinx.com/Me...r1928390-5.jpg

5001 Fannin at Wichita Street in the Museum District. 20 for sale condos starting at $270,000. Love the fact they are advertising the light rail line as one of their top selling points. No ground floor retail it seems but this area (just a few blocks South of US 59/The Spur) is way too barren right now to support retail. That will come if more of these are built...

Saddle Man May 31, 2007 12:58 PM

Are those garage doors on the first floor?

Cory May 31, 2007 1:22 PM

Yeah they have a banner up on the wall of that site. The name escapes me but it is called Casa de Ventra or something like that. I might have murdered the name of the project. They have a website. By the way, the lot is EXTREMELY small in person. Hard to believe that is rising on the site.

RocTX May 31, 2007 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkirbythegreat (Post 2869286)
Are those garage doors on the first floor?

It wouldn't surprise me. Disappointed?...yes. Surprised...not so much..

Trae Jun 4, 2007 2:05 AM

The River Oaks District. I suggest every view the flash version. Real nice project.

Shasta Jun 4, 2007 4:58 AM

The Medical Clinic of Houston on Sunset Blvd in the swanky Southampton area is planning on adding this 6 story tower. There will be neighborhood objections for sure, but I like the fact that this 6 story building and parking garage will replace a HORRIBLE surface parking lot in the middle of Houston's most beautiful area. The brick details mimic Rice U nearby.

http://cll.bizjournals.com/story_image/84840-400-0.jpg

Xeelee Jun 4, 2007 2:44 PM

Looks good. :)

Xeelee Jun 4, 2007 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasta (Post 2868939)
Bummer to read that it is inactive. With 24 Hour Fitness signing for the entire 2nd floor and most of the ground floor spoken for (according to Wulfe's website), it seems like it should rise soon.

And, while not the greatest looking project, this just appeared on har.com tonight...

http://harpictures.marketlinx.com/Me...r1928390-1.jpg

the lot today
http://harpictures.marketlinx.com/Me...r1928390-5.jpg

5001 Fannin at Wichita Street in the Museum District. 20 for sale condos starting at $270,000. Love the fact they are advertising the light rail line as one of their top selling points. No ground floor retail it seems but this area (just a few blocks South of US 59/The Spur) is way too barren right now to support retail. That will come if more of these are built...




This is already listed on some real estate sites:

http://yahoo.prugarygreene.com/detai...=0010006722124

Great_Hizzy Jun 4, 2007 9:49 PM

So this is on Fannin and across San Jacinto from the other project that is going up in the area along the rail line, correct?

Shasta Jun 4, 2007 10:22 PM

Hizzy,

If you are speaking of the Museum Place Apts. being built on the rail line, I believe that project is about 5 blocks to the South of this one. Either way, it's GREAT to see things being built on the Red Line. It's about time.

toxteth o'grady Jun 5, 2007 3:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WesternGulf (Post 2869315)
The name escapes me but it is called Casa de Ventra or something like that. I might have murdered the name of the project.

That's okay; that's a name that deserves to die.:whip:

Great_Hizzy Jun 5, 2007 3:05 PM

I agree. Sounds convoluted, like they're trying too hard to sound "cool".

Shasta,

Thanks for the clarification. I knew it was somewhere in the Museum District but didn't know how far north. Maybe it's closer to Binz?

weatherguru18 Jun 6, 2007 3:11 AM

This is interesting...one of the guys I work with today said that the Lexicon (or something like that...a condo development off Allen Parkway) said that it was a Donald Trump development. Did anybody else know this??

toxteth o'grady Jun 6, 2007 3:38 AM

I'll bet that's news to Donald Trump.

weatherguru18 Jun 6, 2007 6:22 AM

Kind of what I was thinking.

weatherguru18 Jun 9, 2007 9:28 PM

I was driving through downtown today and came across the block that the Shamrock Tower was slated to be built on. Much to my surprise, they have a leasing trailer out front with a big sign on the corner with a picture of the highrise? You sure this project is dead??

Saddle Man Jun 10, 2007 1:09 AM

Deader than a door nail. That stuff has been out there for a few years now.

JManc Jun 10, 2007 2:37 AM

yeah, the shamrock is DOA.

rdavis4559 Jun 10, 2007 2:09 PM

That trailer has been there for at least 2 1/2 years

Saddle Man Jun 10, 2007 3:29 PM

I heard that the trailer is haunted by the ghosts of Houston's architectual past.

c4smok Jun 11, 2007 3:13 PM

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/ktrk...beatles105.jpg
Beatles going up on I-10 and Shepard
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=5376526

Also Park8 contruction has started off of WestChase - info from TheHAIF


Any Word on City Centre on the Former Shamrock site?

Great_Hizzy Jun 11, 2007 3:33 PM

Just the usualy mutterings of what could be. Nothing tangible. Don't hold your breath at this point, even with the office vacancy rate hovering around 9.0%. Not saying it won't happen but it's too far off in the cuff to really worry about.

weatherguru18 Jun 13, 2007 12:38 AM

For such a booming city, there sure isn't much to talk about. Just a couple of months ago we (Houston) had an article in the NY Times. The Chronicle talked about as many as 6 new downtown highrises. This forum was a buzz about the new uptown projects and now...nothing. We are talking about statues. :shrug:

Trae Jun 13, 2007 4:00 AM

HAIF is where its at.

JManc Jun 13, 2007 7:42 AM

but they are cool statues. :yes:


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