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WhatTheHeck5205 Jul 22, 2018 9:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 8256077)
Yet again, what would an untamed NYC look like? One that is a sandbox for developers ambitions and dreams?

An “untamed” NYC would probably be very bland and boxy and not even remotely as appealing as it sounds. Zoning laws determine the overall shape and massing of a building, which is equally, if not more important than facade ornament in determining a building’s architectural identity. The setback shape of the ESB, Chrysler and every other prewar tower in NYC—exactly the style this tower seeks to emulate—are the direct result of zoning restrictions. The same goes for the plazas of the Seagram, Lever House and other midcentury towers, as well as the shape of 53W53, Hudson Yards, Bjarke’s pyramid and literally every other major tower of this cycle. So while I’d absolutely be in favor of eliminating height limits on at least part of the site, as the 1916 zoning code did, under no circumstances should we abandon the zoning code entirely.

Imagine if NYC were to abandon all zoning laws. 99% of new buildings would likely be giant shoeboxes built right up to the lot line on all sides. Only the most high-end developments would sacrifice potential floor area for the sake of design. This would leave us with something like the Equitable Building as the best case scenario—worst case, the XYZ Buildings on 6th Ave, repeated ad infinitum. The end result would be much less Coruscant and much more Judge Dredd—and NYC would likely lose much of its appeal in the public’s imagination.

So, not trying to pick a fight, I just gotta remind everyone of the positive impact zoning laws—especially setback, sky-exposure plane and light court requirements—have had on design. For that reason, I wouldn’t suggest eliminating them—or God forbid, NYC will start to look like Houston :haha:

(Nothing against Houston btw, they just have absolutely no zoning laws at all and their boxy af skyline shows it).

NYguy Jul 25, 2018 8:14 PM

Let's stick to the topic please...



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TechTalkGuy Jul 25, 2018 8:46 PM

:previous: That’s a very nice sky! :)
The glass façade is turning out really good so far. :tup:

NYguy Jul 26, 2018 8:02 PM

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Prezrezc Jul 26, 2018 9:01 PM

Is that crane at the far left the one for 425 Park?

chris08876 Jul 28, 2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Prezrezc (Post 8263088)
Is that crane at the far left the one for 425 Park?

Yes.

photoLith Jul 28, 2018 11:25 PM

I wish that ugly mid century terd in front of 432 Park Place could be torn down and that ugly black mid century one to the right as well. They really destroy the view from Central Park. But that will never happen because a huge trend in preservation has been to landmark crap like that recently. Nobody ever is going to think towers like that are beautiful and should be preserved except for a small minority of preservationists wrapped up in that trend.

Anyways, this recent batch of supertalls far exceeds any of those mid century modernist fat block towers.

TechTalkGuy Jul 29, 2018 1:08 AM

This tower will bring balance to the Central Park skyline. :)
It gets tiring hearing the rants and grunts over 432 Park. :rolleyes:

WhatTheHeck5205 Jul 29, 2018 8:33 PM

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Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 8265306)
I wish that ugly mid century terd in front of 432 Park Place could be torn down and that ugly black mid century one to the right as well. They really destroy the view from Central Park. But that will never happen because a huge trend in preservation has been to landmark crap like that recently. Nobody ever is going to think towers like that are beautiful and should be preserved except for a small minority of preservationists wrapped up in that trend.

Anyways, this recent batch of supertalls far exceeds any of those mid century modernist fat block towers.

Proof once again that a good chunk of the SSP population may be skyscraper enthusiasts, but have very little knowledge of actual architecture beyond the standard “wahhh anything other than art deco=bad” view repeated in the tourist guidebooks. Of course they’re not nearly as elegant as art deco towers—no one is saying that they are—but many midcentury modern buildings have plenty of architectural merit in their own right. The little one next to 432 (I assume you’re referring to 450 Park, the one with the “grid” facade) is one of the best midcentury buildings on Park Avenue and should absolutely not be messed with in any way (the site is too small and too close to 432 to build anything substantial anyway).

As for the mirrored black one to the right of 432, that’s Trump Tower, and I’m absolutely in agreement that it should be torn down. :tup:

Crawford Jul 29, 2018 9:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WhatTheHeck5205 (Post 8265891)
Proof once again that a good chunk of the SSP population may be skyscraper enthusiasts, but have very little knowledge of actual architecture beyond the standard “wahhh anything other than art deco=bad” view repeated in the tourist guidebooks.

Not only that, but if SSP were around 40-50 years ago, they would all be calling for the mass-demolition of prewar towers, because those were almost universally considered "ugly/outdated" back then. Now it's the postwar era's turn.

The building in question is by one of the most famous architects of the era and lavishly sheathed in marble. It's also one of the most valuable office and retail towers on the planet (including supposedly the highest grossing retail space on earth - the Apple store beneath the tower). It isn't going anywhere.

ILNY Jul 30, 2018 4:29 AM

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NYguy Jul 30, 2018 4:08 PM

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chris08876 Aug 1, 2018 12:33 AM

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NYguy Aug 1, 2018 3:19 AM

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pico44 Aug 1, 2018 4:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 8141571)
Mostly a crown and mechanical space.


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Looks like we're four floors above the second setback. Still a way to go

Insane

NYguy Aug 2, 2018 3:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pico44 (Post 8268686)
Looks like we're four floors above the second setback. Still a way to go

Insane


It is. This tower just looms as an insanely tall and thin building. I can't even wrap my mind around what the full tower will look like. People will be amazed.

WhatTheHeck5205 Aug 2, 2018 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 8265912)
Not only that, but if SSP were around 40-50 years ago, they would all be calling for the mass-demolition of prewar towers, because those were almost universally considered "ugly/outdated" back then. Now it's the postwar era's turn.

The building in question is by one of the most famous architects of the era and lavishly sheathed in marble. It's also one of the most valuable office and retail towers on the planet (including supposedly the highest grossing retail space on earth - the Apple store beneath the tower). It isn't going anywhere.

Unfortunately I suspect you’re right about that. And good lord, I didn’t realize PhotoLith was proposing to knock down the GM Building! I though they were referring to the small black tower at the SW corner of 57th & Park, directly next to 432 (which is also better than average for the postwar period, imo). The GM is so significant architecturally, and such a skyline-defining building from the park, that I don’t see how someone could want to get rid of it. Happily though, as you pointed out, no one is planning to.

Back on topic somewhat, there’s no doubt in my mind that the vertical pinstriping effect of the GM Building must have at least partially influenced SHoP in their designs of the E/W facades of this tower.

NYguy Aug 6, 2018 1:42 AM

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TechTalkGuy Aug 6, 2018 4:14 AM

This tower is so skinny, how will an elevator fit inside?
There is no way an elevator can reach the pinnacle. :rolleyes:

photoLith Aug 6, 2018 2:09 PM

Will this be the worlds skinniest supertall?

chris08876 Aug 6, 2018 2:10 PM

Tallest tower with the most extreme aspect ratio. So for its height, yes.

Skyguy_7 Aug 6, 2018 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TechTalkGuy (Post 8273207)
This tower is so skinny, how will an elevator fit inside?
There is no way an elevator can reach the pinnacle. :rolleyes:

You're right! It will be a long walk up to change FAA light bulbs.

The floor plans show what appear to be 2 elevator shafts. Will this entire building be served by only 2 elevators? :shrug:

NYguy Aug 6, 2018 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TechTalkGuy (Post 8273207)
This tower is so skinny, how will an elevator fit inside?
There is no way an elevator can reach the pinnacle. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8273599)
Will this entire building be served by only 2 elevators? :shrug:

They'll be using jetpacks, the latest in luxury living. You can see the guy on top putting one on. But despite the height, there really aren't a lot of units in this building.



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chris08876 Aug 6, 2018 5:56 PM

The amount of units is extremely low for its size. 2 elevators are fine. This tower is ultra-exclusive in the grand scheme of things.

NYguy Aug 6, 2018 6:18 PM

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TechTalkGuy Aug 6, 2018 9:20 PM

Hypothetically speaking, an elevator needs to be installed in this supertall tower.
However, there’s not much room remaining.
Thoughts?

Zerton Aug 6, 2018 10:35 PM

There are two elevators that go all the way up to the top mechanical floors.

This is the floor plan of the top residential floors.

NYguy Aug 7, 2018 1:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zerton (Post 8273899)
There are two elevators that go all the way up to the top mechanical floors.

This is the floor plan of the top residential floors.

I think they are just confusing the tower with buildings that have multiple units on every floor.

Zerton Aug 7, 2018 3:04 PM

^ I'm not sure lol but there's no way you could get me to live on an 82nd-floor walk-up.
Especially at $30 million (or whatever they sell for!).

nyc_alex Aug 7, 2018 3:51 PM

The problem with two elevators is sometimes one goes down for maintenance, or someone is using one to move in/out, or whatever other reason it is out of service. So then you have one for an 80+ story building. At peak times that would suck, even if there's only a few people waiting for it.

(I live in a two elevator building with 17 floors)

Crawford Aug 7, 2018 4:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nyc_alex (Post 8274489)
The problem with two elevators is sometimes one goes down for maintenance, or someone is using one to move in/out, or whatever other reason it is out of service. So then you have one for an 80+ story building. At peak times that would suck, even if there's only a few people waiting for it.

(I live in a two elevator building with 17 floors)

But there are no "peak times". The tower portion only has a few units, and the buyers will have multiple homes.

I bet your 17 floor building has many multiples more units, and they're generally not one of many residences.

And there are no random moves in luxury buildings. That kind of stuff has to be scheduled. You can't take an elevator for extended personal use without prior approval.

LMich Aug 8, 2018 8:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TechTalkGuy (Post 8273835)
Hypothetically speaking, an elevator needs to be installed in this supertall tower.
However, there’s not much room remaining.
Thoughts?

See, at first I thought you were joking. But you're not...Are you seriously asking whether an architect designed a supertall skyscraper without an elevator? Seriously?

Thoughts?

TechTalkGuy Aug 8, 2018 8:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LMich (Post 8275214)
See, at first I thought you were joking. But you're not...Are you seriously asking whether an architect designed a supertall skyscraper without an elevator? Seriously?

Thoughts?

Perhaps I have misspoken.
The upper floors are much narrower than the lower floors.
That limited space does not appear to be engineered to fit an elevator.
Source

Hudson11 Aug 8, 2018 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TechTalkGuy (Post 8275685)
Perhaps I have misspoken.
The upper floors are much narrower than the lower floors.
That limited space does not appear to be engineered to fit an elevator.
Source

the occupied space ends a little over 1100', which is probably on the lower third of these renderings.

tjr101 Aug 9, 2018 2:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TechTalkGuy (Post 8275685)
Perhaps I have misspoken.
The upper floors are much narrower than the lower floors.
That limited space does not appear to be engineered to fit an elevator.
Source

The elevators aren't going up the full length of the building.

NYguy Aug 10, 2018 2:43 AM

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NYguy Aug 11, 2018 1:14 AM

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TonyL Aug 11, 2018 3:23 PM

They are constructing the floor that contains the 3rd setback now. So that's 937 feet now.

TechTalkGuy Aug 12, 2018 1:35 AM

Wow!!


As much as I love skyscrapers, that is just too risky!
Just glad you’re safe, NYguy!
A gust of wind is all it takes.

NYguy Aug 12, 2018 2:33 AM

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photoLith Aug 12, 2018 3:22 AM

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NYguy Aug 16, 2018 4:23 AM

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TechTalkGuy Aug 16, 2018 4:52 AM

:previous: I’d like to buy that model skyline! ;)

NYguy Aug 17, 2018 11:04 PM

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TechTalkGuy Aug 18, 2018 4:18 AM

:previous: I don’t know which is more exciting; HY or West 57th. :hyper:

Jerseyviews Aug 19, 2018 12:46 PM

This one is getting tall! The eye catching sides are already great, but when that cladding reaches the set backs, especially as you can see 2-3 set backs with the terracotta making the transition, is when the renders will really come to life in the photos.

Need to make another trip to the top of the rock to see all these from that perspective.

NYguy Aug 20, 2018 1:55 PM

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/8/17/1771...launch-pricing

Ahead of 111 West 57th Street sales launch, condo prices creep higher
The development team is hopeful for a September sales launch


By Zoe Rosenberg
Aug 17, 2018

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JDS Development and Property Markets Group are gearing up to publicly launch sales at the supertall luxury tower at 111 West 57th Street, and with that has jacked up the price of a dozen condos in the building. The Real Deal first reported the increases, which were reflected in materials filed with the New York Attorney General’s office.
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The new markup affects 12 condos in the sky-grazing development. Prices were adjusted an average of 19 percent on those units, that include a two-bedroom on the 17th floor once asking $7.5 million and now asking $15.5 million, and a three-bedroom on the 13th floor once asking $10.2 million and now asking $13.5 million. Several of the building’s 60 condos quietly entered contract last August.
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Sources tell TRD that the development team is hopeful for a September sales launch, and a topping-out on the 1,428-foot tower by year’s end.

NYguy Aug 20, 2018 4:58 PM

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