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Dominion301 Aug 10, 2021 11:47 AM

@Airboy, nice pic. I saw a 5T 733 at YOW for the first time in a long time last week, and in the old livery to boot. Usually YOW uses the based 734, but pre-pandemic 1 daily each of the 733 and 734 were scheduled on weekdays. Today is the first time on the YOW FIDS that there's a 2nd 5T flight showing, but it has a strange flight number 5T4111.

Dominion301 Aug 10, 2021 11:56 AM

YYZ Reports Q2 traffic and year-to-date:

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The Greater Toronto Airports Authority ("GTAA") today reported its financial and operating results for the three- and six-months ended June 30, 2021. Passenger activity decreased 79.1 per cent during the first six months of 2021 as compared to the same period of 2020.
For the periods ended June 30


Three months / Six months (in millions)

Sector/ 2021 Q2 / 2020 Q2 / # Change / % Change / 2021 YTD / 2020 YTD / # Change / % Change
Domestic / 0.6 / 0.3 / 0.3 / +93.8% / 1.2 / 3.5 / (2.3) / (65.3%)
International / 0.4 / 0.2 / 0.2 / +93.9% / 0.9 / 6.6 / (5.7) / (86.4%)
Total / 1.0 / 0.5 / 0.5 / +93.8% / 2.1 / 10.1 / (12.2) / (79.1%)

Dominion301 Aug 10, 2021 12:05 PM

Nolinor's OWG division has acquired a 189 seat 738 to go along with their 3 ex-F8 734s.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...865765814.html

Dominion301 Aug 10, 2021 12:17 PM

TS launched weekly YQB-YVR and divulged pax numbers on the first flights:

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This morning, to mark the inauguration of this new route, the 163 passengers of the very first TS969 flight from Vancouver were welcomed in a festive manner at the Vancouver International Airport (YVR). This comes a day after 185 passengers boarded the inaugural TS968 flight from Quebec City's Jean Lesage International Airport (YQB).
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...832335741.html

Denscity Aug 10, 2021 3:00 PM

Not surprised. Everywhere I went a couple of weeks ago in Vancouver there were French speaking younger families.

Airboy Aug 10, 2021 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9360966)
@Airboy, nice pic. I saw a 5T 733 at YOW for the first time in a long time last week, and in the old livery to boot. Usually YOW uses the based 734, but pre-pandemic 1 daily each of the 733 and 734 were scheduled on weekdays. Today is the first time on the YOW FIDS that there's a 2nd 5T flight showing, but it has a strange flight number 5T4111.

You will see more non combi flights out of YEG. YOW flights will be more cargo mix. since the flights head into Nunavut Baffin region. The YEG flights are more charter. The only combis are the Mackenzie Valley ( Inuvik ) or Nunavut flights (Rankin and Iqaluit)

hehehe Aug 10, 2021 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9360973)
Nolinor's OWG division has acquired a 189 seat 738 to go along with their 3 ex-F8 734s.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...865765814.html

It was smart for them to just operate a few flights to Cuba on behalf of a tour operator. I don't think they (or Canada Jetlines or Enerjet) would ever be able to become a true Canadian low-cost carrier. I'm still shocked flair wants to have 50 planes in 5 years. We just don't have enough people to sustain that sort of service, plus Porter expanding in the west.

casper Aug 10, 2021 8:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9361307)
It was smart for them to just operate a few flights to Cuba on behalf of a tour operator. I don't think they (or Canada Jetlines or Enerjet) would ever be able to become a true Canadian low-cost carrier. I'm still shocked flair wants to have 50 planes in 5 years. We just don't have enough people to sustain that sort of service, plus Porter expanding in the west.

I thought that operating on behalf of tour operators was always the plan. The tour operator that is using them has a long history of offering those destinations and buying capacity of AirTransat. They simply found a cheaper or better may of getting that capacity.

hehehe Aug 10, 2021 9:43 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9361423)
I thought that operating on behalf of tour operators was always the plan. The tour operator that is using them has a long history of offering those destinations and buying capacity of AirTransat. They simply found a cheaper or better may of getting that capacity.

My bad. I thought they initially wanted to be a low cost airline but I'm probably wrong

casper Aug 10, 2021 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9361541)
My bad. I thought they initially wanted to be a low cost airline but I'm probably wrong

My understanding was the tour operator had concerns about AirTransat with the planned AC takeover at the time and want to jump ship. The aircraft from day one were configured around their needs and OWG have never offered flights on their own or even built out the infrastructure to do that.

The 737-400 was also not a bad aircraft for doing that. They were only running flight a few days a week. One in Toronto, one in Montreal and a third spare for the price of a single 737 NG.

Now that they have a more "expensive" aircraft, not certain what the plan is. Perhaps they got a good deal on the 737-800.

hehehe Aug 11, 2021 6:51 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9361634)
My understanding was the tour operator had concerns about AirTransat with the planned AC takeover at the time and want to jump ship. The aircraft from day one were configured around their needs and OWG have never offered flights on their own or even built out the infrastructure to do that.

The 737-400 was also not a bad aircraft for doing that. They were only running flight a few days a week. One in Toronto, one in Montreal and a third spare for the price of a single 737 NG.

Now that they have a more "expensive" aircraft, not certain what the plan is. Perhaps they got a good deal on the 737-800.

I see. Looks like I was wrong. I wonder if they'll retire any 737-400's. Thanks for the information!:tup:

Dominion301 Aug 11, 2021 8:11 PM

YUL Q2 and YTD pax traffic

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Passenger volumes at YUL totalled 475,557 passengers during the second quarter of 2021, an increase of 187.9% compared with the same period in 2020 and a decrease of 90.5% compared with 2019. For the six months ended June 30, 2021, passenger traffic was 911,857 passengers, down 78.6% from the same semester in 2020 and down 90.6% from the same period in 2019.
Full breakdown by month in the PR: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...805882852.html

thewave46 Aug 11, 2021 8:33 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9361634)
Now that they have a more "expensive" aircraft, not certain what the plan is. Perhaps they got a good deal on the 737-800.

Probably. A lot of 737s were retired during the pandemic, so finding a used one cheap probably isn't hard.

Any type of aircraft that was older, less efficient and paid for was quickly retired in 2020.

zahav Aug 13, 2021 4:01 PM

How are everyone's airports doing with international and transborder nowadays? I randomly checked YVR and YYC, and YVR has 8 international departures and 21 transborder departures, while YYC had 2 international departures and 11 transborder departures. Both vast improvements in transborder over a few months ago, but international is still pretty sparse.

hollywoodcory Aug 13, 2021 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 9364153)
How are everyone's airports doing with international and transborder nowadays? I randomly checked YVR and YYC, and YVR has 8 international departures and 21 transborder departures, while YYC had 2 international departures and 11 transborder departures. Both vast improvements in transborder over a few months ago, but international is still pretty sparse.

YYC currently has non-stop flights to 5 international destinations CUN, PVR, LGW, FRA, AMS. (Will be 6 next week with CDG) and 9 Transborder SFO, LAX, PSP, PHX, LAS, DEN, ATL, MSP, DFW.

In September it'll potentially grow to 8 international (with LHR, SJD) and 12 Transborder (with BNA, IAH, PDX).

whatnext Aug 13, 2021 5:13 PM

Want to fly in Canada? You'll need to be vaccinated:

Federal government to require vaccinations for all federal public servants, air and train passengers
'We need to reach as many Canadians as we possibly can' — Transport Minister Omar Alghabra
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Aug 13, 2021

...Starting soon, all commercial air travellers and passengers on interprovincial trains and large marine vessels with overnight accommodations (such as cruise ships) will have to be vaccinated, Alghabra said. He said accommodations will be made for "those few who are unable to be vaccinated," such as testing and screening....


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fed...ions-1.6140131

Coldrsx Aug 13, 2021 5:15 PM

I fully expect the implementation of vaccine passports given what's transpiring now.

zahav Aug 13, 2021 5:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9364173)
YYC currently has non-stop flights to 5 international destinations CUN, PVR, LGW, FRA, AMS. (Will be 6 next week with CDG) and 9 Transborder SFO, LAX, PSP, PHX, LAS, DEN, ATL, MSP, DFW.

In September it'll potentially grow to 8 international (with LHR, SJD) and 12 Transborder (with BNA, IAH, PDX).

Ok nice! I have lost track of what destinations we have still, all I know is things vary so much day to do. The numbers I gave were just for today using the airport's departures list, just as a snapshot. But tomorrow the numbers could be totally different

Airboy Aug 13, 2021 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9364241)
I fully expect the implementation of vaccine passports given what's transpiring now.

Started carrying my vax papers the last trip to the Yukon. will be carrying them now all the time.

Coldrsx Aug 13, 2021 6:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 9364294)
Started carrying my vax papers the last trip to the Yukon. will be carrying them now all the time.

Brought them to Ontario recently as well and made electronic copies for ease.


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