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WIGGLEWORTH Dec 15, 2015 4:41 AM

Steel work seems to be progressing?

ILNY Dec 16, 2015 1:18 AM

^ Not really, little progress if any. Core is taking forever to rise and there is still no official render.

NYguy Dec 16, 2015 6:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ILNY (Post 7271736)
^ Not really, little progress if any. Core is taking forever to rise and there is still no official render.

Barnett is not a fan of releasing renders, even after construction has begun. We'll probably have to wait until sales have begun or a website goes up (I don't even know what that schedule is). With most other developments, we get a rendering, and then have to wait until the work starts. Barnett likes it the other way around. I'm content that they're at least working on it. I can rant about the design, or talk about how nice it is later. There's so much else going on, we can barely keep up as it is. But yes, it's very unusual for a city's "tallest" tower to be under construction with no render. The DOB needs to get on top of this.

CityGuy87 Dec 16, 2015 6:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7271993)
Barnett is not a fan of releasing renders, even after construction has begun. We'll probably have to wait until sales have begun or a website goes up (I don't even know what that schedule is). With most other developments, we get a rendering, and then have to wait until the work starts. Barnett likes it the other way around. I'm content that they're at least working on it. I can rant about the design, or talk about how nice it is later. There's so much else going on, we can barely keep up as it is. But yes, it's very unusual for a city's "tallest" tower to be under construction with no render. The DOB needs to get on top of this.

How far into One57's construction was it until we got official renders?

NYguy Dec 16, 2015 6:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CityGuy87 (Post 7271997)
How far into One57's construction was it until we got official renders?

Don't remember. But I remember that one being under construction for a while before we even had confirmation on that.

TechTalkGuy Dec 16, 2015 7:10 AM

If we don't have a render, then how are those images created?

CityGuy87 Dec 16, 2015 7:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TechTalkGuy (Post 7272026)
If we don't have a render, then how are those images created?

Leaks and connections with people close to the project

ILNY Dec 16, 2015 3:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CityGuy87 (Post 7271997)
How far into One57's construction was it until we got official renders?

Posted on May 25, 2010, 11:15 PM by RoldanTTLB

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/S_...0/IMG_0856.JPG


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...161764&page=22

NYguy Dec 23, 2015 2:40 AM

http://gothamist.com/2015/12/22/bill...visualized.php

This One GIF Says Everything About Midtown's Future Skyline

BY REBECCA FISHBEIN
DEC 22, 2015


https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CW1un61WcAA9rzr.mp4



A larger look at it in the Times...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/ny...bors.html?_r=0

As a New High Society Climbs in Manhattan, It’s a Race to the Top


By MATT A.V. CHABAN
DEC. 21, 2015



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As recently as two years ago, only five towers in New York City topped 1,000 feet. Now, there are that many “supertall” towers in the works on 57th Street alone, and roughly two dozen either under construction or on the drawing boards across Manhattan and in Brooklyn.

The city has not seen such an epochal shift on the skyline since the postwar boom, and before that, the Jazz Age.

This upheaval, fueled by advances in engineering and an influx of foreign money, and enabled by lenient zoning codes, has left residents, politicians and developers themselves scrambling to adapt the city’s changing profile.

The New York skyline is always in flux, and not everyone has been happy about it. In the past, most of the consternation was directed at office towers. Now, though, as the city competes for verticality with Beijing, Dubai and London, residential towers are reshaping the skyline.

Flip through a high-end magazine right now and one will see page after page of ads for new luxury developments in New York, many of them for towers on Billionaires’ Row, the area between the southern edge of Central Park and 56th Street, that push above the clouds and the madness of the city. Those ads, however, tend to ignore the towering competition down the block. The views they proffer don’t show the nearby buildings already reaching skyward, or give any indication that there will soon be others. Whether the omissions are by accident or design depends on whom you ask.

“It’s like the Who song,” said Jonathan Miller, president of the appraisal firm Miller Samuel. “You can see for miles and miles and miles. Until you look into your neighbor’s building.”

At the launch party for 520 Park Avenue this fall, above the herringbone floors and next to the well-equipped kitchen inside the showroom, renderings of the future tower, at 60th Street, hung like works of art. One looked southeast, as if photographed by an angel (or more likely a drone) floating over the park. It captured the Bloomberg Tower, the future 520 Park Avenue itself, the Citigroup Center, the GM Building, even the Chrysler spire in the distance.

One thing was conspicuously missing, even though it has been a major part of the skyline for almost three years: 432 Park Avenue, between 56th and 57th Streets. A broker explained that the photo used in the rendering had been taken before the 1,396-foot tower, the second tallest building in the city at the moment, had begun.

For 111 West 57th Street, just off the Avenue of the Americas and planned at 1,428 feet, the advertising is close-cropped, heightening the drama and detail of the saw-toothed terra-cotta tower and its relationship to the park. One57 is pictured, but 432 Park is missing here, too, as is a proposed redevelopment of the Park Lane Hotel, set to rise at least 1,000 feet on Fifth Avenue near Central Park South.

“We’re not forecasters, so any building that’s not built yet wouldn’t be a factor for us,” explained Michael Stern, founder and managing partner of JDS Development, which is building 111 West 57th Street. “I actually really like 432,” he added. “It makes my building look less intimidating.”


Gary Barnett, the founder of Extell Development, is responsible for One57, where about a quarter of the 92 units remain unsold, two years after completion. Those apartments that have sold have set records, including a $100.4 million penthouse.

Mr. Barnett is also overseeing the Central Park Tower at the corner of Broadway and 57th Street now under construction; at 1,550 feet, it would be the city’s tallest building, were it not for the World Trade Center’s 408-foot spire.

“Big as these buildings are, most of them do not have very many units. Maybe there’s a few hundred on the whole stretch,” Mr. Barnett said. “It might take a little longer for them to sell, but there is certainly demand for these buildings.”


These slender cloud-busters would not have been built without the confluence of new technologies and wealthy buyers seeking a Manhattan address. Superstrong concrete and new wind testing made possible buildings like 432 Park, which, at 93 feet wide, is 15 times as tall as it is wide. In effect, developers now need only a lot the size of a brownstone or three to build a tower, rather than much of a block, as with the 1,250-foot Empire State Building, which, when it opened in 1931, was the tallest building in the world. And many areas have no restrictions on building heights.

“New York was asleep at the wheel the past 20, 30 years in terms of design and the skyline,” said David Williams, principal of Williams New York, a real estate branding company with two projects on the eastern edge of 57th Street. “Now, I can’t think of a city in the world that has seen so much being built on a single boulevard. From coast to coast, it’s New York chutzpah.”

Among many New Yorkers, the towers are anathema, casting shadows on Central Park and darkening the streets and sidewalks below.

The Municipal Art Society is among the numerous civic groups challenging the rise of the towers as a distortion of half-century-old zoning codes that did not anticipate the ability to build so high. By buying neighbors’ air rights and building up rather than out, developers have created what the society has called the Accidental Skyline.

“As the technology has improved, our civic processes haven’t,” Mary Rowe, the group’s executive vice president, said.

Whether creating subway overcrowding or shadows on public spaces, these high-rises could have unintended consequences on the cityscape, and not just in Midtown Manhattan. Beyond the two dozen buildings in the works, the art society has identified areas ranging from 125th Street to Second Avenue on the Upper East Side, the Flatiron district and Downtown Brooklyn that are ripe for development. The society wants City Hall to intervene.

The administration of Mayor Bill de Blasio, in its effort to encourage development for the sake of creating new affordable housing, has so far declined to take up the issue of updating this aspect of the zoning codes. Though numerous Manhattan City Council members want to restrict the sales of air rights that make these supertall buildings possible, the city planning commissioner, Carl Weisbrod, reaffirmed their value at a Council hearing last month.

“This often leads to a more interesting streetscape and pedestrian experience,” Mr. Weisbrod said, “as well as an incredibly dynamic, iconic skyline that is the envy of the world.”

antinimby Dec 23, 2015 6:28 AM

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"This often leads to a more interesting streetscape and pedestrian experience,” Mr. Weisbrod said, “as well as an incredibly dynamic, iconic skyline that is the envy of the world."
God, I love Carl Weisbrod. He needs to be given the city planning commissioner job for life.

artspook Dec 29, 2015 11:12 PM

Yeah I know.
When I read that line I thought . .
"Wow this guy gets it" . .

chris08876 Dec 31, 2015 3:14 AM

Pic by me

https://standard-discourseorg.netdna...823d85044a.jpg

ILNY Dec 31, 2015 5:31 AM

Core is climbing very slowly, not even close to the speed of 432 Park.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5667/...7392d899_o.jpg


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5682/...831dab7d_o.jpg



https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5707/...e81af03c_o.jpg



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https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5689/...9b9f3c19_o.jpg



https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1655/...b9acb323_o.jpg


https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1574/...190eab76_o.jpg


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5751/...b13df49e_o.jpg

NYguy Jan 6, 2016 1:39 AM

^ Nice.





http://urbanismvsmodernism.blogspot.com/


Brandon Nagle



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9SLoYHCpGk...0/DSCN0468.JPG



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pf-m3dswCx...0/DSCN0478.JPG

applejacks Jan 6, 2016 2:34 AM

Does anyone know why the core is open on that one side?

BrownTown Jan 7, 2016 2:12 AM

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Originally Posted by applejacks (Post 7289199)
Does anyone know why the core is open on that one side?

Because it is? This is a very thin tower, it doesn't have a "core" like a lot of other buildings, just load bearing walls.

WIGGLEWORTH Jan 7, 2016 7:16 AM

I have a feeling this wont make a presence on the skyline until mid to late 2017...

chris08876 Jan 7, 2016 8:39 PM

Some floor plans. Easier to see if you do: Control + (scroll up or down with mousewheel to zoom).

http://s11.therealdeal.com/trd/up/20...Full-floor.jpg

http://s13.therealdeal.com/trd/up/20...plexLower2.jpg

http://s12.therealdeal.com/trd/up/20...plexUpper2.jpg
Credit: http://therealdeal.com/blog/2016/01/...al-park-tower/

ILNY Jan 8, 2016 4:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7289124)
^ Nice.


Thanks NYguy.

ILNY Jan 8, 2016 4:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WIGGLEWORTH (Post 7290796)
I have a feeling this wont make a presence on the skyline until mid to late 2017...

Hopefully, the tower picks up speed once Nordstrom store is constructed.


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