I gave the example of Monctons last incident to illustrate that the problem is not isolated to YHZ and that it can happen at any airport. I wasnt comparing the two.

Way too early to draw conclusions as to the cause of this incident, but speaking in general terms, and based on my personal opinion, yes, piloting skills have gone down over the years. That being said, the rules and regulations are stricter now compared to 10-15 years ago because of it.

With almost every incident, a company implements new safety elements in its piloting procedures/restrictions. No doubt something similar will happen here.

As for MDW, that airport is more of an exception rather than a rule. MDW has no room to grow. It’s literally stuck in a 2 square mile area with dense and populated neighbourhoods all around. That’s not the case at YHZ. And it’s not like Midway hasn’t had its share of runway overruns involving a B737 in winter conditions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sout...es_Flight_1248

Three Air Canada Boeing 777's departing YHZ for YYZ between 3pm and 11:30pm today. That's approximately 1200 seats.

https://i.ibb.co/28PWnXF/777.png

I see the same thing in my line of work as well. Skills, knowledge and training are going downhill and rules and regulations are getting tighter. Yet incidents are going up. If you train a person properly the results in most cases will be higher regulatory compliance as well as fewer incidents.


I realize MDW is a special case but so is the example you gave in Funchal. I believe its the only place in the world to have used stilts to extend the runway. They didnt have much choice as its on the side of a cliff. Pretty extreme case as well.


The reality is that most mid sized airports in NA have a similar configuration. One longer main runway arranged to take advantage of prevailing winds and another shorter crossing runway for those oddball days. I could look up dozens of examples of this. YHZ is no different. Except at this point they have 05/23 at 10500ft and 14/32 and 7700 which is plenty. The worst weather days the wind is always out of the N or NE so theyve got it covered there. They could however add 1000ft to the threshold of 32 i think fairly easily but that would have to come out of the airports pocket solely. The government just gave them a bunch of money to extend 05/23 from 8800 to 10500. Cant see them poneying up anymore. But... it is the Canadian government we’re talking about.

That’s better than being cut outright.

14 has ILS. In that kinda weather, ILS is mandatory leaving only 2 options at YHZ...or divert like the AC 321 did.

There's part of me that doesn't actually believe they'll resume. They've already temporarily closed reservation from end of March-mid May once before.

It's probably been difficult for them to compete against the many non-stops to China out of YVR. Well there is a market for YYC-China, it certainly isn't as strong as Vancouver.

The ILS part I get. It’s the tailwind on a contaminated runway that doesn’t make sense. ILS or not. They should never have even attempted the approach. So the blame most likely rests on the PIC.

I'm not sure if this has been posted, but Porter has cut its seasonal flights from Ottawa, Toronto and Windsor to Florida.

Porter W19 Suspensions

I don't know if this is because a Q400 can't make it to Florida with a full load, but a shame nonetheless.

It seems Porter is out of easy growth places right now and stuck with what they have.

It’s been removed from the schedules for a few months now.

MLB is 90km away from Orlando and Disney. Wasn’t the best airport for them to serve. Combined with the limit of range issue on the Q400, and it’s hardly surprising they ended all ops there.

Porter also seems to have significantly reduced its' maritime services for the winter months.

Source: https://huddle.today/porter-temporar...to-saint-john/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-u...hran-1.5418610

Another Boeing crash though the cause is quite unclear thus far. I'm sure more than a few conspiracies are gonna surround this one.

A large number of the Canadians were from the Edmonton area. Couple of Professors, a doctor and her family.

The reason so many Canadians on board is because of limited flights and most people do not want to travel through the US. So they take the flight to Europe.


Update; At least 30 Edmontonians on this flight.

Travelling through the US to Iran isn't an option, only through Europe. From most Canadian cities, travellers to Iran connect in LHR, CDG, AMS, or FRA. I never would've thought of the Ukrainian Airlines option but it does make total sense from a cost perspective, and distance-wise it is pretty much right on the circle route from YYZ to KBP (Kyiv).

But this is very tragic news, it is one of the largest losses of Canadian lives of any disaster. Having that proportion of Canadians is massive.

^ Parallels with the Air India disaster of the 1980s... a foreign airliner undergoing a catastrophic event in another foreign country, but with many Canadians affected.

Big difference with Air India though is it was a bomb and was a flight departing from Canada. Yesterday's crash had a 8 people from Ottawa, while many on AI in '86 were also from Ottawa. I was in elementary school and two sisters that also went to my school and lived a block away from me perished on AI182, along with their parents. As for UIA, it's too early to tell whether it was a heinous act or a purely coincidental mechanical catastrophe in a hostile area from a country where missiles were launched mere hours earlier.

Apparently Porter are doing cabin refreshes on a lot of their fleet this winter. I think they're short of aircraft as a result and will likely be back to a full Maritime schedule next winter. MLB on the other hand, where 3/4 flights were on Saturdays, I don't think aircraft reconfigs would be the culprit of that being cut.

Is deicing fluid bright green? Hanging at yvr and seeing it in the bigger planes wings.

At YUL it's a bright orange.

Depends. There is the green fluid as well. There are 4 types of deicing fluids. All with different coloration to differentiate between them. Type 1 fluid is orange. Type 2 is clear. Type 3 is yellow, Type 4 is green.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviati...ummary-207.htm