Not a big fan of the interior compared to many of the other Supertalls or Billionaires Row towers going up now or proposed.

The spire is awesome, way better than 1WTC's.


I'm guessing the height stayed the exact same?

It'll look great when built I think :)

Holy hell, this tower is going to be sexy as f%#k.

This looks close to 1,500 feet! It looks like they've been tweaking the design for the better. I really like it, yeah. The renders have been worth the wait! :)

For me its gonna bethe same way i felt about 432, hated the rendering but one it was built it loved it.

Rumor has it it's 1,493' (455 meters) from the latest DOB filing, not sure if that's old or not. The spire is powerful and dominating like that of Taipei 101 which is even better.

I love the renders! I think this tower looks very New York as well, and I cannot wait until the completed product and what it will look like on the skyline will be amazing.

Only in NY!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7634/...332051bc_o.jpg

It's pretty similar and i'm ok with that. I am quite happy that the spire is not a flimsy stick like the one atop one wtc.

Side effects of this rendering may include:

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2...v9yx.gif?w=650

Make sure to not drive under the influnece of seeing such a rendering. Other effects may include vomiting, euphoria, dizziness, egotistical mania, and muttering Garry Barnett is Jesus incoherently on the Path train covered in your own sweat and tears.

Ask your doctor is Nordstrom is right for you!

^^^LOL, same here!

Edit-I mean to say I am feeling those last few symptoms already!

I love how Top of the rock is slowly getting closed in. A new observation deck in midtown will be needed in the not so distant future.

that spire is a beast.. holy crap. i think this looks pretty damn good.

I know, for a change a spire is actually my favorite part of a building. :tup:

The spire is no bigger the WTC. It is just solid/ coverd.

Not the most innovative skyscraper, but elegant as f**k!!!

I'm lukewarm on this building.

The massing will always be an issue to me, but it is what it is. I'm happy to see the glass is textured around the building and the spire is strong. It's not really my type of building or the architecture I enjoy, but I can understand how some might like it. Hopefully fully built out will look even better.

My good lord that lighting scheme could be sexy as hell if they pull it off right. This building is jaw dropping NY STYLE...

I love it.

yeah this building has the potential to look killer at night. This along with 111 will look amazing from Central Park.

We don't even know what it will really look like either. Obviously, they will light the spire and maybe add some other lighting elements.

Going to look amazing from the NJ Side. The views from Edgewater and the Palisades will be getting a lot better. All of these supertalls racing to the skies all at the same relative time.

One of the few buildings that can make a spire work. Glad with the choice. Fits in well with its sleek blue nature. Not overpowering either.

Otie's renders from last summer were pretty damn close: based on relative spire height this looks to be north of 1490...

don't get me started on WTC-1's unclad and therefore architecturally unfinished pathetic excuse for a spire- that building is 1373 ft tall. Period. CTBUH totally caved.

I think we can take for sure that they will also lit up the crown with those vertical bands.

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/.../Penthouse.jpg

Gentlemen;
Do be aware also, as the YIMBY (Edit) article stated, that the area of Manhattan where this tower is to rise is app. 70' above sea level. Take the current height levels of the tower as currently estimated from street level by assumption (my emphasis), add the sea level figure and do the math.

We're talking a perceived height of maybe at least 1,850 glorious feet, 150' shy of the grand benchmark many here seek. Because, after all, who but us skyscraper nerd frat brothers are gonna even know that Manhattan Island even has an elevation ASL?

Yes. :D

Jan 19, 2015, 3:34 PM

The top of the spire on WTC is 1,806' MSL 1,855 will be the highest elevation to ever be built to in NYC.:cheers:

Yup. Which is why its good to view the skyline from afar. Things like the ESB are way taller (1550' to the tip of the antenna), 432 Park gains some extra height, One57, and Nordstrom will from this perspective. In terms of perspective, this will dominate WTC1 from the right angles. Being that the roof is taller too.

I think Hoboken is a good spot to view it in the future. Can gain the extra illusion of height due to the topography.

So basically this building is almost a new tallest for the city in pretty much every way, despite technically being a foot shorter than 1WTC (which still makes me mad actually). :haha:


I love how tiny One57 looks sandwiched between this and 111 w57th too.. :yes:

New York is a beast. Can't wait to go back soon.

Apparently , these are marketing materials and minor revisions are still being implemented. Basically, however, this is what will rise.

The spire isn't bad. I think I would like it more centered, giving it more of a NY feel, but it's still not bad.


That wraparound view will be such a site, supertalls in every direction.


Resized...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/159813809/original.jpg

http://nypost.com/2015/04/21/living-...rdstrom-tower/

Living the high life: First look at 1,775-foot-tall Nordstrom Tower

By Jennifer Gould Keil

Clearly the renderings are not the final, polished renderings we will eventually get.


Just stay quiet Barnett. The 1,550 ft tower was a better plan if you're going for "respect".

Hmmm, maybe they'll come to their senses and push past the WTC... also I think the roof is 1,493 now, the article may be mistaken.

This building is insanity. Beautiful, beautiful insanity.

NYC is Coruscant, simply amazing! Cant wait to see all these supertalls in one area in a couple of years.

Yup and only growing!

A refresher from the highrise thread

1) 152 skyscrapers / high rises u/c
2) 176 ... / ... planned
3) 6792 high rises/skyscrapers existing

Currently Existing:

1) 6003 highrises (Based on the definition and range of height)

AND

2) 789 Skyscrapers (Based on definition of skyscraper and range of height)

Total: 6792 highrises and skyscrapers

- - - - - - - - - - -

Edit: Added extra cities to get an idea ::

Jersey City: 184 high rises and skyscrapers
Newark: 163 ... and ....
Hoboken: 41
Guttenberg: 4
Fort Lee: 38
Union City: 10
West New York: 14
Edgewater: 6
Fairview: 2
Elizabeth: 26
Yonkers: 51

t(NYC + satellites) = 7280 skyscrapers/high rises *

* High Rises comprising most of the numbers, especially for the Gold Coast. Does not include planned or u/c, this is for existing.

How tall will the parapet / mechanical space be on the top? This render makes it look like there will be 100s of feet of non-usable space before you hit the "spire"
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...lest-tower.jpg

What a hilariously inaccurate drawing.

I think around 50'

The solid roof of the 1479' design was 1428', if it's up to 1,493 it should maybe be 1440' to the top floor/solid roof

Well it actually *is* accurate.. just very badly drawn. The white line from 1479' Parapet does a 90 degree upward turn *exactly* on the edge of the building... I had to do a double-take to see it does go all the way to the red dot on the roof....

I was referring more to 1WTC being out of scale, but yea Nordstrom is seen from a funny angle in that picture.

i love how they ran with the YIMBY renderings from a year ago vs. the new ones from Monday that are actually official.... lol

He makes it sound like he's not exactly hellbent on keeping it under 1776'. You'd think someone with his ego would just forget about it and build tallest, or maybe he will and just doesn't want to arouse too much excitement/controversy (not that anyone really cares either way).

A better time to do it would be when its half way finished. Just add some extra height to the spire to gain the title of first.

By then, much of it would already be up, and whats a few extra feet for ego. Marketing wise, being the nations tallest sounds a lot better than being second. Eh, we will see, but a covert tactics like that would be nice.

But depending on which definition you use, spire or not, this is the tallest to the roof so technically some in the architect/real estate community would view this as the tallest in the Western Hemisphere.

Indeed... just like Chrysler building :)

Honestly I think "one of the tallest in the world" sounds better than "tallest in the Western Hemisphere".

It certainly is up there especially if you count the spire.

When I heard Adrian Smith was chosen to design this building, I was terribly disappointed. He is perfectly fine at what he does, but I certainly wouldn't call him a great architect; or even very-good. He is simply...good, which is a perfectly appropriate thing to aspire to if you are building mid-block mid-rises in downtown Dallas or Seattle. The fact that he the de-facto architect for any massive skyscraper right now is mind-boggling. Seeing this design, I find myself absolutely vindicated. If this were a 50 story building in Jersey City, I'd be satisfied. As the new highest-peak in Manhattan, it is a sham, and a money-grab and idiotic. Gary Barnett is a clown.

The design is in no way innovative or smart or beautiful. It wants to be sleek but fails miserably with dozens of unnecessary lines (the original render was actually much better in this regard). It wants to be beautiful but is merely handsome in a goofy kind of way (this goofiness is made worse by the juxtaposition with the gorgeous 111 W 57th and Tower Verre). I'm sure they will try to find some way that this thing is innovative, and I'm sure they will fail.

It's just tall.

And boring.

Ugh.

To each their own, maybe it will grow on you once built. I thought 432 park Avenue was going to look odd but I like it now that it exists in real life and not in a rendering.

I do see what you're saying though, I often find that what we gain in height we lose in design (with the exception on a few buildings). We should always have both... but even with that being said I think this building will look pretty good or even better than that. I mean the facade looks real nice, it has an actual spire that fits with the building, it's not a complete box and to top it off it's a behemoth that would be the second tallest building even in Dubai or Shanghai. It's hard to complain too much, it's not any less cool than other North American 400+ meter buildings (Sears, old WTC, new WTC, 432 etc...)

Adrian Smith is a very talented architect, he's worked on some of America's most iconic buildings easily. The tower isn't perfect, but I don't know what people are expecting. There are a few jewels going up in New York City right now, yes, but it's not like every tower from here on out is going to be that way. Extell is building an impressive, tall, yet economical building here. Just like 432 Park. Very different designs, but the same end goal.


I would definitely hold off judgment until the tower is actually finished first. Clearly the tweaking their doing is making a difference, like with the spire which looks better now than it did. And as Barnett said they will be continuing to tweak right until the walls go up. You might completely change your mind when its finished, as often happens with many (like with One57). It will be one of the tallest buildings in New York for a long time to come.

The fact that the new render is both (technically) unofficial and low rez gives me pause. I think we are still basically where we have been for the last 6 months or so regarding the final design and final roof and parapet height. Kind of a let-down actually. Still nothing official.:shrug:

Otie's renders are still the best so far. Nothing much to see here folks except for, perhaps, a couple detail items on the tower...

So then why (what AGAIN seems to have turned out to be) the tease on the promise of official renderings from the idiot parties involved once "official"-W/everTF that means--construction got underway?

For that matter, why did YIMBY declare official the renderings from the other day when this now apparently seems to be not the case? IMHO it comes off like an act of gamesmanship in order to get the lead out of Barnett & S/G's collective pants.

For that reason alone, I can understand Barnett's pissivity at the releases; but this incessant hemming and hawing with renders and the finality/lack thereof just makes him look all the more like the chief engineer of a PR trainwreck that started with the CB5 meetings.

AFAIC, I'm utterly shocked that the egos in play here didn't simply kill this project. And I'm getting awfully tired of thinking that I'll have to wait till this tower is 800 feet in the air to find out that what I'm seeing is at long last what I get.

Besides, how can we trust the so-called "brain trust" of a massive construction project to tell the whole truth on their project's status when on even one aspect thereof they're sorely lacking in that regard?

(Rhetoric Warning Will Robinson>>) You have definitively, absolutely, unequivoally official renders to share with the rest of the class? Dandy; let's see them and move ahead.
Otherwise leave me alone till that happens and spare us all the self-righteous indignation over whatever.