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Sooper_rebel May 9, 2014 2:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Warren (Post 6568973)
I Bank Tower to Get A Facelift

Memphis Daily News


http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608...d=1.9&rs=0&p=0

The best thing they could do is remove that ugly sign from the top of it.

Sooper_rebel May 9, 2014 2:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Warren (Post 6549757)
The City Should push for Freds to relocate it's Headquarters Downtwn

That is good news about them trying to get a Hard Rock Hotel it will get us a little bit closer to hosting big events like an NBA All-Star Game. But they should push for Fred's Dollar Store inc. to move Downtown. I could see them building something near 10 stories like their current HQ that's hidden in the Industrial Area. We could have something like the Krogers Building in Cincinnati.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-01-01_003.jpg

Krogers Building in Cincinnati
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3085/2...fd06c60efa.jpg

I toured the Fred's building a few years back with a friend that worked there. That taller building is about 40% full. Fred's does not believe in spending any money at all. Once you walk into their HQ it's a time-warp back to the mid 1960s. They won't move... no chance at all.

MEMFLY May 9, 2014 4:20 PM

Blues Hall of Fame breaks ground today
 
http://m.bizjournals.com/memphis/blo...ana=twt&r=full

arkitekte May 9, 2014 7:09 PM

I had to go out east today so I ran by the new International Paper tower currently under construction. It's a bit further away from the other towers that what I originally thought it would be. I haven't been out there in at least 5 or so months so this is the first time I've seen it under construction other than when they were doing foundation work.

http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/...pscghzrkxn.jpg

James Owen May 10, 2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6571614)
I had to go out eat today so I ran by the new International Paper tower currently under construction. It's a bit further away from the other towers that what I originally thought it would be. I haven't been out there in at least 5 or so months so this is the first time I've seen it under construction other than when they were doing foundation work.

I've seen the new building as well, and it looks to be coming together nicely despite it being the furthest away from the rest of the buildings in that complex. I guess that was to be expected considering the former Cozymel's site is supposed to be redeveloped in the future, although no final plans have been released yet.

Johnny Ryall May 10, 2014 1:44 PM

:grumpycat:
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Originally Posted by Sooper_rebel (Post 6571192)
The best thing they could do is remove that ugly sign from the top of it.

No way. The iconic Independent Bank signage has helped light up the East Memphis skyline in the evening. It looks amazing when driving through Shelby Farms next to the illuminated Clark Tower, both rising from the dense-looking foliage. It also represents a Memphis-based bank with fast rising fortunes.

kingchef May 11, 2014 12:51 AM

i agree that the sign should stay, not because it is the most beautiful sinage in memphis or the nation, but for the reasons given, especially that it is a home-grown bank, and it is fast blooming in investments and assessments. if the present growth keeps up, you'll probably see a redesign of a new sign and how it is framed, lighted, and sized.

Wayward Memphian May 14, 2014 12:53 AM

In a general Memphis info note, the airport has picked up some flights in the past week

Frontier is adding four weekly flights to DC

American is adding a additional daily flight to Dallas and Chicago and United is adding a daily flight to Denver.

In a bit of bad news, Southwest missed out on the two gates at Love that American had to give up. They went to Virgin America. That was how Southwest was to add Dallas directs from Memphis.

arkitekte May 14, 2014 9:12 PM

^Speaking of the airport, here's an article from the MBJ.

Memphis airport's new budget reflects reality without Delta hub
http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/n...s-reality.html

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Despite big bumps in rents, Memphis International Airport will cut total costs for its airlines by $3.9 million in fiscal year 2015.

The Memphis-Shelby County Airport Authority is expected to vote Thursday on a $124.4 million operations and maintenance budget that includes a 68 percent increase in terminal rates and an 11 percent decrease in landing fees.

The increase in rates, from $86.31 per square foot last year to $144.78 this year, is a result of Delta Air Lines Inc. reducing its rented space after stripping Memphis of its "hub" status, according to a release today by the MSCAA.
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“This budget is another step toward reinventing the Memphis International Airport, as we transition from being a Delta hub to an origin and destination airport,” said Scott Brockman, president and CEO of MSCAA. “I am extremely proud of our team’s efforts to meet the challenges of this process, reduce overall costs and mitigate increases for our airline partners.”

James Owen May 16, 2014 2:57 AM

I went to the public meeting that was held this evening regarding the proposed new hotel at Graceland, and here were some of the details that were discussed:

- The total cost of the project is estimated to be around $70 million (all privately funded with no public money)
- The hotel will be 6 stories tall, with all 450 rooms spread across three wings (see post #2494)
- The design is similar to the mansion itself with gabled roofs, brickwork, and fencing
- Plans include a restaurant, sports lounge, meeting space, and a performance theater
- Elvis-themed suites will occupy the top floor of each wing
- The new hotel will replace the Heartbreak Hotel, which will close and be demolished upon completion

Site work is expected to start in June with an official groundbreaking slated for August during Elvis Week. If everything goes as planned, the people behind the project hope to have a grand opening of the Guest House at Graceland in August of next year.

I'll update this thread a bit later on with some links, but it's a good project, and just about everyone in the room had no objections.

EDIT: Here's the link to WHBQ's story:
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/25...#axzz31qPQByna

WREG story:
http://wreg.com/2014/05/15/whitehave...t-hotel-plans/

WMC-TV story:
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/...e-at-graceland

arkitekte May 16, 2014 3:52 AM

^^Thanks for posting. Here are the images in case anyone wants to get to them quicker (Same link as James posted).

http://whbq.images.worldnow.com/images/3742505_G.jpg

http://whbq.images.worldnow.com/images/3742554_G.jpg

http://whbq.images.worldnow.com/images/3742557_G.jpg

BnaBreaker May 16, 2014 6:36 AM

That hotel is straight outta 1984!

arkitekte May 16, 2014 1:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BnaBreaker (Post 6580314)
That hotel is straight outta 1984!

Memphis is stuck in 1984. This should finally lead to some redevelopment of Elvis Presley Blvd, at least in theory it should. It could do the exact opposite of redeveloping EPBlvd by including features that could be off site all in one. We'll see. I think that design is horrible though. Looks like a nursing home to me.

Huntsvillenative May 16, 2014 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6580431)
Memphis is stuck in 1984. This should finally lead to some redevelopment of Elvis Presley Blvd, at least in theory it should. It could do the exact opposite of redeveloping EPBlvd by including features that could be off site all in one. We'll see. I think that design is horrible though. Looks like a nursing home to me.

What are you talking about? That hotel looks amazing! It's retro, kept to the originality of Elvis' Graceland mansion and it's all Elvis-themed. That's what the fans want! It's much nicer than the new Dreammore resort at Dollywood which is only 300 rooms and getting a lot of tention.

The Guest House at Graceland looks a lot like one of those new Disney themed resorts in Kissimee, Florida. I'm actually glad that they went this way and not a tower convention hotel. This fits the residential style neighborhood much better and will still bring conventions to the area.

Sounds like everyone there approved it. Should be approved by city council within days so there shouldn't be any hold ups on construction since it's all privately funded by Graceland..

arkitekte May 16, 2014 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntsvillenative (Post 6580616)
What are you talking about? That hotel looks amazing! It's retro, kept to the originality of Elvis' Graceland mansion and it's all Elvis-themed. That's what the fans want! It's much nicer than the new Dreammore resort at Dollywood which is only 300 rooms and getting a lot of tention.

Other than who lived there, Graceland isn't anything to brag about architecturally, IMO. It's the fact that this looks like an over sized Graceland all of the way down to the fake chimneys on each side of the main section of the tower that makes it ugly. The setback of the main tower that doesn't share the same scale as the base which looks like a drop off at the country club or nursing home isn't very appealing either. They're trying to recreate an older feel, but if they're trying to ball on a budget that might come out looking extremely cheesy.

I also don't understand the constant comparisons of a proposal at Graceland which should attempt to be slightly urban to something at Dollywood.

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The Guest House at Graceland looks a lot like one of those new Disney themed resorts in Kissimee, Florida. I'm actually glad that they went this way and not a tower convention hotel. This fits the residential style neighborhood much better and will still bring conventions to the area.

Sounds like everyone there approved it. Should be approved by city council within days so there shouldn't be any hold ups on construction since it's all privately funded by Graceland..
The fact that this looks like something from a Disney resort is one reason why I think it's ugly. There's a lot that could have been done to avoid looking like a typical cheaply built hotel tower while still complementing the surrounding residential area.

The fact that it is all privately funded by Graceland would assure that the City doesn't have any say in it's layout, design, etc. That's what Graceland wanted to make sure exactly what they wanted was done. City officials know they don't have a voice in the matter, therefore, it's either all agree or risk not having a new development take place that you can brag about. Don't think that everyone sat down there overjoyed over that design.

zookeeper May 16, 2014 10:53 PM

Graceland
 
People going to this hotel are going to want the full consumer experience so the reinforced Graceland features are necessary. The more like Disneyland features the better. This is totally a "feelings" experience. With regard to the actual embellishments, I am sure they will be softened up and appear more as accents but it is pretty clear they wanted to get this out ASAP. The tree shadows don't even line up properly.

Alternatives:

1. It could have 3 rungs of barbed wire and a security gate with flood lights.

2. It could stay as is.

Ya development!

James Owen May 16, 2014 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6581367)
Other than who lived there, Graceland isn't anything to brag about architecturally, IMO. It's the fact that this looks like an over sized Graceland all of the way down to the fake chimneys on each side of the main section of the tower that makes it ugly. The setback of the main tower that doesn't share the same scale as the base which looks like a drop off at the country club or nursing home isn't very appealing either. They're trying to recreate an older feel, but if they're trying to ball on a budget that might come out looking extremely cheesy.

Well, to be fair, the people behind this project, Hnedak Bobo, have done other hotels in the past including the Westin across the street from FedExForum as well as the Gaylord resorts in Florida and Texas, so we should not expect a less than high quality job to be done with that big of a price tag. It's also why I brought up the Veranda and Terrace hotels in Tunica on the soon-to-close Harrah's property when the Graceland project was first announced, as there are similarities that can be made between the two.

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I also don't understand the constant comparisons of a proposal at Graceland which should attempt to be slightly urban to something at Dollywood.
The part of town in question is more suburban than it is urban, but I get what you are saying. There was talk during the meeting last night of a new community overlay zone being proposed that would require uniform standards for all new buildings being constructed along Elvis Presley Blvd, but there's not too much I know about it at the moment other than the ongoing streetscape improvements in the works.

Huntsvillenative May 16, 2014 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6581367)
Other than who lived there, Graceland isn't anything to brag about architecturally, IMO. It's the fact that this looks like an over sized Graceland all of the way down to the fake chimneys on each side of the main section of the tower that makes it ugly. The setback of the main tower that doesn't share the same scale as the base which looks like a drop off at the country club or nursing home isn't very appealing either. They're trying to recreate an older feel, but if they're trying to ball on a budget that might come out looking extremely cheesy.

I also don't understand the constant comparisons of a proposal at Graceland which should attempt to be slightly urban to something at Dollywood.



The fact that this looks like something from a Disney resort is one reason why I think it's ugly. There's a lot that could have been done to avoid looking like a typical cheaply built hotel tower while still complementing the surrounding residential area.

The fact that it is all privately funded by Graceland would assure that the City doesn't have any say in it's layout, design, etc. That's what Graceland wanted to make sure exactly what they wanted was done. City officials know they don't have a voice in the matter, therefore, it's either all agree or risk not having a new development take place that you can brag about. Don't think that everyone sat down there overjoyed over that design.

It's supposed to look like a bigger version of Graceland. The whole entire hotel will be all Elvis/Graceland-themed. It's not for business leaders or convention goers who aren't Elvis fans. It's for the fans who wanna take in the ultimate Elvis experience. Like I said, it's no different than a Disney resort or the new Dollywood's Dreammore. Actually bigger! And there's nothing "cheezy" about it.

The reason it's only 6 stories is due to its location. EPE probably felt that if it were any taller then residents wouldn't have liked it and possibly tried to delay or block it. This way, they now can go through with construction plans and have it opened in time for Elvis week 2015.

Look at it this way, it's a massive upgrade to the horrible looking and much smaller Heartbreak Hotel that they have now.

This is EPE's money being spent so the city crooks have no say in how it looks nor should they. Having it look more like a larger version of the home that will cater to those who visit Graceland, instead of just another typical tall tower conventional hotel, will be more appealing this way and bring more business to that part of town that never goes there now. That hotel will open closed doors that Whitehaven has never seen opened before. It's already being reported that a possibl upscale movie theater is headed to the nearby area now, and outside investors are interested in developing in that area.

And because it's in a TDZ (Tourist destination zone) the city will get money back on tax incentives for future developments that are publicly and/or privately funded.

Bottom line, this hotel is for ELVIS FANS not Memphis residents. If the fans like it, and I'm sure they will (especially the younger fans), then that's all that EPE cares about, which they should. It's not EPE's responsibility fix or clean up a part of town that the city for years neglected. Hell, as it is, most Memphians don't even care about Elvis nor go to Graceland. But they still want the money it generates.:uhh:

Now I know why Elvis recorded the song 'Stranger In My Own Home Town'.

Huntsvillenative May 16, 2014 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by zookeeper (Post 6581408)
People going to this hotel are going to want the full consumer experience so the reinforced Graceland features are necessary. The more like Disneyland features the better. This is totally a "feelings" experience. With regard to the actual embellishments, I am sure they will be softened up and appear more as accents but it is pretty clear they wanted to get this out ASAP. The tree shadows don't even line up properly.

Alternatives:

1. It could have 3 rungs of barbed wire and a security gate with flood lights.

2. It could stay as is.

Ya development!

On the site layout map, it says there will be a privacy fence separating the residential and hotel property. So it could be anything from a big 8 ft tall wall or covered fence which would give both properties their privacy.

Huntsvillenative May 16, 2014 11:56 PM

There are some really big things about to happen in Memphis. Yet, some Memphians find fault and complain about them. First up, the Pyramid-Bass Pro Shop attraction opening in November. At first, it wasn't all that appealing. But since they unveiled the full scale of the project through renderings of what the interior will look like and what all it will feature, including the observation decks, it is gonna be one of the biggest, if not THE biggest attraction in Memphis! It's gonna have an aquarium, a fish-themed bowling alley, restaurants, retail shops and a hotel.

Then there's the new Guest House at Graceland resort opening next summer, part of a multi-year expansion redevelopment project. That, along with the Pyramid attraction, will bring in a lot more tourism and revenue to the city that it is desperately seeking now. Possibly doubling tourism.

Then there's the push for a Hard Rock Hotel downtown on Beale and the relocation of the new Hard Rock Cafe and the long awaited Memphis Music Hall Of Fame museum. Aside from that is the development of the multi-million dollar Blues Hall Of Fame.

Next up, the redevelopment of the Memphis fairgrounds with retail, restaurants, a hotel, and a world class sports complex. Also a 5,000 seat arena to replace the Mid-South Coliseum.

So Memphians, instead of looking for the bad, try to appreciate and enjoy the good that's soon to come.:cheers:

James Owen May 17, 2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Huntsvillenative (Post 6581464)
On the site layout map, it says there will be a privacy fence separating the residential and hotel property. So it could be anything from a big 8 ft tall wall or covered fence which would give both properties their privacy.

From what I understood, the fencing is supposed to be similar to what is already in place on the main property. They are also preserving the trees in the back and sides of the property, so it should provide some added buffer space between the hotel and the adjacent houses along Old Hickory Road.

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Originally Posted by Huntsvillenative (Post 6581475)
There are some really big things about to happen in Memphis. Yet, some Memphians find fault and complain about them. First up, the Pyramid-Bass Pro Shop attraction opening in November. At first, it wasn't all that appealing. But since they unveiled the full scale of the project through renderings of what the interior will look like and what all it will feature, including the observation decks, it is gonna be one of the biggest, if not THE biggest attraction in Memphis! It's gonna have an aquarium, a fish-themed bowling alley, restaurants, retail shops and a hotel.

Then there's the new Guest House at Graceland resort opening next summer, part of a multi-year expansion redevelopment project. That, along with the Pyramid attraction, will bring in a lot more tourism and revenue to the city that it is desperately seeking now. Possibly doubling tourism.

Then there's the push for a Hard Rock Hotel downtown on Beale and the relocation of the new Hard Rock Cafe and the long awaited Memphis Music Hall Of Fame museum. Aside from that is the development of the multi-million dollar Blues Hall Of Fame.

Next up, the redevelopment of the Memphis fairgrounds with retail, restaurants, a hotel, and a world class sports complex. Also a 5,000 seat arena to replace the Mid-South Coliseum.

So Memphians, instead of looking for the bad, try to appreciate and enjoy the good that's soon to come.:cheers:

You've said it a lot better than I could. Appreciate the good things that are happening in the city while dealing with the troubles and issues that are still in front of us.

arkitekte May 17, 2014 8:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntsvillenative (Post 6581460)
It's supposed to look like a bigger version of Graceland. The whole entire hotel will be all Elvis/Graceland-themed. It's not for business leaders or convention goers who aren't Elvis fans. It's for the fans who wanna take in the ultimate Elvis experience. Like I said, it's no different than a Disney resort or the new Dollywood's Dreammore. Actually bigger! And there's nothing "cheezy" about it.

I completely understand all of that, but in my opinion that's what makes it cheezy, but that's just my opinion. You can still hold to the Elvis theme without recreating a large scaled knock off.

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The reason it's only 6 stories is due to its location. EPE probably felt that if it were any taller then residents wouldn't have liked it and possibly tried to delay or block it. This way, they now can go through with construction plans and have it opened in time for Elvis week 2015
.

Believe me, this hotel could be 20 stories and Whitehaven's resident's wouldn't have a voice in this. If Graceland were in Central Gardens we'd have a different situation.

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Look at it this way, it's a massive upgrade to the horrible looking and much smaller Heartbreak Hotel that they have now.
I agree with that.

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This is EPE's money being spent so the city crooks have no say in how it looks nor should they. Having it look more like a larger version of the home that will cater to those who visit Graceland, instead of just another typical tall tower conventional hotel, will be more appealing this way and bring more business to that part of town that never goes there now. That hotel will open closed doors that Whitehaven has never seen opened before. It's already being reported that a possibl upscale movie theater is headed to the nearby area now, and outside investors are interested in developing in that area.

And because it's in a TDZ (Tourist destination zone) the city will get money back on tax incentives for future developments that are publicly and/or privately funded.
I agree with all of that as well. I've voiced my opinions on the way that they city has handeled EPBlvd in the past, but hopefully now that these new developments are coming on board the city will actually allocate those funds back to Whitehaven other than ignoring the fact like they have in the past.


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Originally Posted by Huntsvillenative (Post 6581475)
There are some really big things about to happen in Memphis. Yet, some Memphians find fault and complain about them. First up, the Pyramid-Bass Pro Shop attraction opening in November. At first, it wasn't all that appealing. But since they unveiled the full scale of the project through renderings of what the interior will look like and what all it will feature, including the observation decks, it is gonna be one of the biggest, if not THE biggest attraction in Memphis! It's gonna have an aquarium, a fish-themed bowling alley, restaurants, retail shops and a hotel.

There's nothing wrong with complaining about any development taking place, that generally means that those complaining want the best for their city rather than something that won't necessarily promote growth within the neighborhood. I'm glad that something is being done with the Pyramid and no doubt that Bass Pro will bring in a lot of money, but I'm not a fan of a lot of the things that are being done within that redevelopment.

As I stated before, Bass Pro including a hotel and various restaurants inside of the Pyramid lets them market that destination as one where you don't have to leave the Pyramid for an entire weekend if you don't want to, which could hurt any futre development in the Pinch. The fact that they had to downsize their hotel plans is actually good because that allows an outside developer to try to come in and develop a new hotel.

Wayward Memphian May 18, 2014 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6582217)
I completely understand all of that, but in my opinion that's what makes it cheezy, but that's just my opinion. You can still hold to the Elvis theme without recreating a large scaled knock off.

.

Believe me, this hotel could be 20 stories and Whitehaven's resident's wouldn't have a voice in this. If Graceland were in Central Gardens we'd have a different situation.



I agree with that.



I agree with all of that as well. I've voiced my opinions on the way that they city has handeled EPBlvd in the past, but hopefully now that these new developments are coming on board the city will actually allocate those funds back to Whitehaven other than ignoring the fact like they have in the past.




There's nothing wrong with complaining about any development taking place, that generally means that those complaining want the best for their city rather than something that won't necessarily promote growth within the neighborhood. I'm glad that something is being done with the Pyramid and no doubt that Bass Pro will bring in a lot of money, but I'm not a fan of a lot of the things that are being done within that redevelopment.

As I stated before, Bass Pro including a hotel and various restaurants inside of the Pyramid lets them market that destination as one where you don't have to leave the Pyramid for an entire weekend if you don't want to, which could hurt any futre development in the Pinch. The fact that they had to downsize their hotel plans is actually good because that allows an outside developer to try to come in and develop a new hotel.

Bass Pro downsized the hotel, but it the video tour that was posted on Memphis Biz Journal it had gone back up to 101 rooms. I don't think that many picked that up.

arkitekte May 18, 2014 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayward Memphian (Post 6582684)
Bass Pro downsized the hotel, but it the video tour that was posted on Memphis Biz Journal it had gone back up to 101 rooms. I don't think that many picked that up.

Was it not originally proposed to be 200 rooms? If not I was under the impression that it was to be that big, but still, 100 rooms in downtown Memphis is more significant than one would imagine. They key is how much those rooms will go for a night compared to the other hotels in the area.

memphisborn May 19, 2014 12:45 AM

New convention Center
 
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Originally Posted by Huntsvillenative (Post 6581475)
There are some really big things about to happen in Memphis. Yet, some Memphians find fault and complain about them. First up, the Pyramid-Bass Pro Shop attraction opening in November. At first, it wasn't all that appealing. But since they unveiled the full scale of the project through renderings of what the interior will look like and what all it will feature, including the observation decks, it is gonna be one of the biggest, if not THE biggest attraction in Memphis! It's gonna have an aquarium, a fish-themed bowling alley, restaurants, retail shops and a hotel.

Then there's the new Guest House at Graceland resort opening next summer, part of a multi-year expansion redevelopment project. That, along with the Pyramid attraction, will bring in a lot more tourism and revenue to the city that it is desperately seeking now. Possibly doubling tourism.

Then there's the push for a Hard Rock Hotel downtown on Beale and the relocation of the new Hard Rock Cafe and the long awaited Memphis Music Hall Of Fame museum. Aside from that is the development of the multi-million dollar Blues Hall Of Fame.

Next up, the redevelopment of the Memphis fairgrounds with retail, restaurants, a hotel, and a world class sports complex. Also a 5,000 seat arena to replace the Mid-South Coliseum.

So Memphians, instead of looking for the bad, try to appreciate and enjoy the good that's soon to come.:cheers:

Just want to piggy back on your post there is a lot of exciting things happening in the city and lets not forget big plans for a new convention center. :)

kingchef May 19, 2014 10:55 AM

i enjoy reading your statements, suggestions, and the other information concerning ideas and approaches used by other cities, in order to problem-solve particular issues in one community to the next. nevertheless, one has to be careful in the selection of "model" cities, due to politics, location of the city, along w/ a possibly long list of problems falling from fairly minor to almost insurmountable. although austin has certainly been fortunate in the last 20 years or so to have been positioned in the right location, timing, and no doubt a good deal of hard luck---doesn't hurt to have two wonderful, moderate, intelligent presidents, who have served in various high levels of government, very capable to getting much of their agendas, both politically and personally brought to governmental fruition. little rock, la, tn, etc, have, as in history greatly profit from the presidential help and back door deals, in both while they were in office and as they continued to dabble in party politics. i forgot about the attention of alaska and, to a lesser to degree at this point, hawaii, however, it is coming, and w/ chicago, we haven't seen anything yet. texas is an absolute powerhouse, and i would probably say, imo, it is not far of surpassing the political strengths, as well as other power-based institutions. capitol cities, growing demographics, growing populations, early jumps into the technology arena, e.g n.c., who has been invested heavily into many types of technology. you can easily hear the brooding of northeastern cities and midwestern states, along w/ upper northern states over the various speculative sunbelt states and many of their real or imagined feelings of a "wild and continued growth." actually that number is rather limited to an overall limited number.

arkitekte May 19, 2014 5:00 PM

Something positive:

Horizon condos up for sale after clearing legal morass
http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/n...ing-legal.html

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The stalled 16-story Horizon condominium tower overlooking the Mississippi River has cleared some 22 lawsuits and is now for sale.

The four banks that repossessed the property – Capital One NA, Trustmark National Bank, Bank of America and U.S. Bank – recently settled a number of those lawsuits, clearing the 155-unit tower at 717 Riverside Drive of the liens that prevented a sale.
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The banks will likely take a big loss on the luxury project, whose $67 million first phase was roughly 85 percent finished when Ridgeland, Miss.-based The Bryan Co. defaulted on a $58.6 million loan in 2009.

Apartments are the likely use for the development, but the units were built larger and with a higher price point than just about any rental units currently on the market. Despite that, the property has already seen high interest from local and regional players, so it could sell quickly at a lower price.

Chris Warren May 19, 2014 10:36 PM

Chisca Hotel owners file $20M permit to begin repairs

The Business Journal
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The owners of the historic Chisca Hotel have pulled a $20 million permit to begin remodeling the Downtown Memphis landmark.

Montgomery Martin Contractors LLC is finishing up the $24 million redevelopment's $3 million clean-up phase, which has cleared the way for selective demolition and repairs to begin on the 300,000-square-foot building at 272 S. Main St.

Downtown Memphis Commission President Paul Morris said he expects the DMC to buy the Chisca's parking garage by the end of June and renovate it for a total cost of $1 million.
http://www.localmemphis.com/media/li...c473/Story.jpg

Chris Warren May 20, 2014 9:35 PM

Shelby Farms files $25M permit to expand Patriot Lake

Business Journal

[QUOTEShelby Farms has pulled a $25 million permit to expand Patriot Lake, making the lake and its surrounding area the "Heart of the Park."

Shelby Farms Park Conservancy has hired Montgomery Martin Contractors LLC to increase the 52-acre lake south of its Visitors Center to 85 acres, making the lake the "nerve center" of the park, according to a public permit and the Conservancy.

The Conservancy would also add an amphitheater, paths, a swimming beach and other amenities.

The expansion of the lake is part of the $70 million "Phase One" expansion of the 4,500-acre Shelby Farms.
][/QUOTE]

I wonder about the ''SWIMMING BEACH'' is it like a lazy pool with sand

Wayward Memphian May 22, 2014 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6582817)
Was it not originally proposed to be 200 rooms? If not I was under the impression that it was to be that big, but still, 100 rooms in downtown Memphis is more significant than one would imagine. They key is how much those rooms will go for a night compared to the other hotels in the area.

Yes, but at one time I think it was said to have decreased to a bit under 100. It's all been posted here way back but I ain't rereading a bunch of pages,

arkitekte May 23, 2014 8:04 PM

New owner to replace French Quarter Inn roof for $150K
http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/n...-roof-for.html

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The new owner of the dilapidated French Quarter Inn near Overton Square is taking its first step toward reviving the former hotel.

NCE Realty & Capital Group has hired William B. Day's WB Day Construction LLC to replace the roof of the 77,866-square-foot building at 2144 Madison Ave.

The contractor this week filed a $150,000 building permit for the roof work.

The permit is the first renovation NCE has undertaken since buying the property in December 2013 for $1.9 million. The owner's representative hasn't returned numerous calls, but sources tell me the plan is to reopen a boutique hotel after a renovation.
This is pretty positive news in the eventual redevelopment of the hotel, especially after the reports of recent interior demolition taking place this weeks and last week. Part of me selfishly wishing that there were plans to tear it down and to replace it with another hotel or mixed use development that actually addresses Madison.

kingchef May 23, 2014 8:49 PM

there was ,initially, a plan for a 209 room hotel. then, they took it out because of the alleged lack of structural integrity to hold the load and spans. the next thing was the rumor which stated that a hotel would not be a realization. finally, they came out w/ plans showing about 67 cabin-like structures for over night guest. suddenly, that was scrapped, and a proposal for a hotel across was batted about, and then another one, which is the current 200+ rooms.

frankly, i haven't been impressed w/ all of the back and forth w/ this project. the head-honcho supposedly has come up w/ most of these ideas. if he were working my plans for one of my test facilities or labs/offices, he would be in an unemployment line.

Wayward Memphian May 24, 2014 3:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kingchef (Post 6589809)
there was ,initially, a plan for a 209 room hotel. then, they took it out because of the alleged lack of structural integrity to hold the load and spans. the next thing was the rumor which stated that a hotel would not be a realization. finally, they came out w/ plans showing about 67 cabin-like structures for over night guest. suddenly, that was scrapped, and a proposal for a hotel across was batted about, and then another one, which is the current 200+ rooms.

frankly, i haven't been impressed w/ all of the back and forth w/ this project. the head-honcho supposedly has come up w/ most of these ideas. if he were working my plans for one of my test facilities or labs/offices, he would be in an unemployment line.

The head honco has many irons in the fire. One if his long in the making projects is about to open up again along with a Champions Tour event for it. They soft opened some of it for a bit last year to film and gather marketing stuff before shutting it down for the winter till now. Watch the video that's at this link:

http://www.big-cedar.com/Page/Top-of-the-Rock.aspx

Once he's done it's a sight to behold, Google Image search Dogwood Canyon as well. You should be glad he's taking a personal interest in this instead of it being a formula store everyone else has got outside of Springfield.

DoomJ May 26, 2014 3:34 PM

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3780/...580f3bae_c.jpg

I didn't realize this was happening so soon/fast.

Also, the Beale Building seen here to the south is also completely rubble. Supposedly new buildings for the UTHSC are in the pipeline for these locations. But we all know that's dependent on State allocations, so I'm not holding my breath. Hello more parking lots in the meantime.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5550/...72977fa6_c.jpg

arkitekte May 27, 2014 1:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DoomJ (Post 6592544)
I didn't realize this was happening so soon/fast.

You're not kidding. I somewhat forgot that this was getting demolished...I also can't remember what's replacing it, which convinces me that it's nothing halfway decent.

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Also, the Beale Building seen here to the south is also completely rubble. Supposedly new buildings for the UTHSC are in the pipeline for these locations. But we all know that's dependent on State allocations, so I'm not holding my breath. Hello more parking lots in the meantime.
Idk, they might move fairly quickly. This is the UTHSC so they'll allocate whatever funds it needs quickly. If this were a regents school then I'd for sure anticipate that parking lot for at least 3 or 4 years. I'm sad to see the Beale Building go, but I'm fairly confident that what ever replaces it will at least address the street and decently add to the density of that neighborhood, which with the additions of the SWTCC building and the new UTHSC building is looking pretty good.

kingchef May 27, 2014 2:15 AM

the demolition of those buildings allegedly for a newborn hospital and women's hospital. they seem to have no trouble knocking the city down, but when it comes to building the buildings, well---that's a different story. that madison building was a very nice looking highrise, 17 stories i think. reportedly, a two story newborn/women's high tech hospital will got in this area. of course, following the announcement, about 5 or 6 months ago, there was no photo, drawings, conceptions of what my be placed in the dozed areas.

as for the graceland inn, i really think huntsville native makes a very good and accurate argument. his closing statements are right on point "...graceland is not for memphians...vistors and fans...most memphians don't even visit graceland, etc..."

as for the size of the hotel, it is okay and decent in appearance, imo. i never thought it would be 17 stories, much less 20. we can't even get a 20 story downtown. the fairground project seems to be geared to a particular group, but my feeling is that group is local. question? why build a 5,000 seat coliseum, if you have one that will hold thousands?

DoomJ May 27, 2014 2:14 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6593363)
You're not kidding. I somewhat forgot that this was getting demolished...I also can't remember what's replacing it, which convinces me that it's nothing halfway decent.

Idk, they might move fairly quickly. This is the UTHSC so they'll allocate whatever funds it needs quickly. If this were a regents school then I'd for sure anticipate that parking lot for at least 3 or 4 years. I'm sad to see the Beale Building go, but I'm fairly confident that what ever replaces it will at least address the street and decently add to the density of that neighborhood, which with the additions of the SWTCC building and the new UTHSC building is looking pretty good.

Like Kingchef said the demolition of the tower is for a planned "women and children's pavilion" or hospital component of The Med- but as far as movement on that, it's VERY preliminary. Like it MIGHT happen 10 years from now.

An article in the Daily News quoted a UTHSC official that the Beale Building site might be a good place for a public-private housing development for students (I agree- but the "might" worries me) but that in the mean time it would be a parking lot (they stated "blight" as a reason for demo... I also consider empty parking lots to be "blight" but whatevs).

I don't know... I lament the passing of the Beale Building because its the largest remnant of the Memphis Street Railway Company. As a history geek that burns a little. All that's left now are some polls for catenary wires on Cleveland and Madison, and the occasional streetscape oddity.

I feel like if you want some attractive student housing a converted warehouse would be way cooler than some generic Highland Row-type development, but I guess the generic is better than nothing. Also, the tower part of the building was pretty iconic in that area, at least to me. A lot could have been done with it.

Here's a link to that Daily News bit: http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news...n-investments/

arkitekte May 27, 2014 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DoomJ (Post 6593764)
An article in the Daily News quoted a UTHSC official that the Beale Building site might be a good place for a public-private housing development for students (I agree- but the "might" worries me) but that in the mean time it would be a parking lot (they stated "blight" as a reason for demo... I also consider empty parking lots to be "blight" but whatevs).

I agree on that.

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I don't know... I lament the passing of the Beale Building because its the largest remnant of the Memphis Street Railway Company. As a history geek that burns a little. All that's left now are some polls for catenary wires on Cleveland and Madison, and the occasional streetscape oddity.

I feel like if you want some attractive student housing a converted warehouse would be way cooler than some generic Highland Row-type development, but I guess the generic is better than nothing. Also, the tower part of the building was pretty iconic in that area, at least to me. A lot could have been done with it.
I understand what you're saying. One big problem, especially here in Memphis (as we're seeing with the brewery) is that generally no one cares about these older historic buildings until it's almost too late. From a development standpoint, it's usually easier, cheaper, and faster to tear down an old building and plan and build a new one. That's not particularly what I would do, but being involved in both the architecture and historic preservation fields I've seen all too many times developers have big plans for a rehab of an existing building, but in actuality, the support, funding, etc. isn't in place. To complicate that issue, many developers can't afford to wait 5 or 6 years to try to get funding in place, and most of the times it's fairly hard to find a bank or another private financial institution to fund a project.

From an economic stand point (especially for UTHSC), you can tear down the existing building, plan, develop, and construct the new housing or research buildings all while "cleaning up" the neighborhood which most people see as a positive over rehabbing an abandoned or historic property. I somewhat understand that mindset, but at the same time I don't.

Anyways, like you said, it would have been nice to see a rehabilitation and a lot could have been done with it.

DoomJ May 27, 2014 5:42 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6593938)
I understand what you're saying. One big problem, especially here in Memphis (as we're seeing with the brewery) is that generally no one cares about these older historic buildings until it's almost too late. From a development standpoint, it's usually easier, cheaper, and faster to tear down an old building and plan and build a new one. That's not particularly what I would do, but being involved in both the architecture and historic preservation fields I've seen all too many times developers have big plans for a rehab of an existing building, but in actuality, the support, funding, etc. isn't in place. To complicate that issue, many developers can't afford to wait 5 or 6 years to try to get funding in place, and most of the times it's fairly hard to find a bank or another private financial institution to fund a project.

From an economic stand point (especially for UTHSC), you can tear down the existing building, plan, develop, and construct the new housing or research buildings all while "cleaning up" the neighborhood which most people see as a positive over rehabbing an abandoned or historic property. I somewhat understand that mindset, but at the same time I don't.

Anyways, like you said, it would have been nice to see a rehabilitation and a lot could have been done with it.

Oh I totally follow. I hope some quality redevelopment takes place. Especially residential/mixed use. I'm just worried, with all the other open land and pavement in the medical district all we did was bulldoze some character we can never recreate to leave nothing in its place.

kingchef May 27, 2014 11:31 PM

according to various reports---depending on who is behind the microphone, if the governor is in town, cohen, name somebody, anybody---the corner at poplar and adams, where the gas station and convenient store are located, was proposed to be a specialty hospital---inpatient special need patients, as tn needed on or two more, and memphis was on the list, because it was going to be in the medical center. there is also plans for baptist to build a specialty hospital, which will be somewhere along wolf blvd or magically rotating in the air, which could give them some more space.

shortly after the baptist announcement came the statement for the 30-30 pataient, 2 story speciality rehab hospital. then the announcemnt that the uthsc was going to raze two of three of the medical buildings---feurt, randolph, madison, which is the one being razed at this time. the others are across the street. they housed, at one time, the medical labs and rooms, the administration building, social work, and the like. hasalam promised 30+-40 million to get the simulation clinic built, after the renovation of one of the older buildings, and raze the cluster standing on the rt side of the sidewalk, going north to poplar. and just like so many others, it will probably be 10-15 years before the children's-newborn and women's center will make it on the scene, if your waiting on haslam and his promises, along w/ the legislature. naturally, uthsc is the largest of the health component of the u oftn, yet it receives the least funding than any of the other schools.

looking at aerial views of the city the other day reminded me of the european countries bombed during world war II. the surface parking lots look as if the are left foundations of buildings. the 6 years of the ten at the downtown medical center is begining to make that area look sometime like a slum area. but, it is clear to see that citizens may not know what is coming or going to be built, but we can rest assurred that it will be knocked down, as if children were set free on the beach to destroy all of the sandcastles in view.

arkitekte May 29, 2014 5:08 PM

Towering Progress
Construction of IP’s new East Memphis building reaches next stage

https://www.memphisdailynews.com/new...ring-progress/

https://www.memphisdailynews.com/Edi...&maxHeight=600

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The shell of the newest addition to the East Memphis office skyline is complete, setting the stage for exterior work on International Paper’s new building to begin.

“The structure has been built and now they’re starting from the ground up putting the skin on the building,” said Matthew Marzolf, director of development for Highwoods Properties Inc. in Memphis.
https://www.memphisdailynews.com/Edi...&maxHeight=600

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The new building will include almost 3.1 million pounds of structural steel, the equivalent of 253 African elephants. The project includes around 10,966 cubic yards of ready-mix concrete material, which equals over 1,100 concrete trucks delivered to the site, and 189 miles of wiring.

While the new 241,000-square-foot building will look slightly different from IP’s current Highwoods’ campus, it will have many of the same touches. The first three floors of the exterior will feature a granite and glass exterior and the rest of the building will be mostly glass.

“The materials will be similar and you will be able to tell they’re related buildings,” Marzolf said. “This will have more glass. The palette is the same but the way it is painted is different.”
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The building will also feature abundant landscaping, although maybe not at the same level as the existing IP campus, which features over 30 varieties of trees and has long served as a sort of urban forest along the city’s most-coveted office corridor.

“It will not be landscaped to that extent but we will have landscaping so you will know it is part of the campus across the street,” Marzolf said.

memphisborn Jun 2, 2014 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Huntsvillenative (Post 6544654)
FWIW, I have noticed that the decor and look of downtown San Diego is a lot like Memphis. The HRH they have there is snugged into a small space of the exact square footage parking lot available across the street from the Orpheum Theater. There's enough room there too to build the hotel adjacent to or on top of a 100-car parking deck.

Just glad to see Memphis finally be proactive and act like a major city for a change.

Good point pursuing HRH was a major city like move hope they get it done here"s a pic of what i think it should look like

http://www.memphisrap.com/2014/04/18...-beale-street/

Wayward Memphian Jun 2, 2014 8:59 PM

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Originally Posted by memphisborn (Post 6601360)
Good point pursuing HRH was a major city like move hope they get it done here"s a pic of what i think it should look like

http://www.memphisrap.com/2014/04/18...-beale-street/

This is the casino-less San Diego Hard Rock Hotel
http://www.condohotelcenter.com/imag...san-diego2.jpg

DoomJ Jun 2, 2014 10:04 PM

Check this out!

Plans for giant One Beale tower back on the table

http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/n...the-table.html

I will reserve all further excitement (and reservations) "until all the facts are in."

MEMFLY Jun 2, 2014 10:04 PM

One Beale is Back on
 
http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/n...the-table.html

arkitekte Jun 2, 2014 10:10 PM

I saw Ed Arnold tweet that there was a big story in the downtown real estate market coming up this afternoon. I didn't expect OneBeale, but I figured a large residential or commercial development might have been what he was referring to. I'm curious to see what develops from this and any new renderings that are released whenever/if they continue to try to develop this property.

I bet kingchef is doing back flips right now.

DoomJ Jun 2, 2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6602393)
I saw Ed Arnold tweet that there was a big story in the downtown real estate market coming up this afternoon. I didn't expect OneBeale, but I figured a large residential or commercial development might have been what he was referring to. I'm curious to see what develops from this and any new renderings that are released whenever/if they continue to try to develop this property.

I bet kingchef is doing back flips right now.

I was kinda hoping someone stepped up on the Tennessee Brewery. The "Raymond James looking for space" bit caught me off guard. Like, vacate the old Morgan Keegan for shiny new space?

I don't like darkening one tower for another. Sorta like when the MK Tower was built in the '80s, the Sterick went out.

arkitekte Jun 2, 2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DoomJ (Post 6602407)
I was kinda hoping someone stepped up on the Tennessee Brewery. The "Raymond James looking for space" bit caught me off guard. Like, vacate the old Morgan Keegan for shiny new space?

I don't like darkening one tower for another. Sorta like when the MK Tower was built in the '80s, the Sterick went out.

I hear you on the brewery. I mentioned something about the brewery to an architecture/real estate friend of mine over the weekend and he jokingly mentioned that if something could logically be done with it, then it would have already made some progress. I guess that's somewhat true considering Crosstown and Chisca have been bailed out. The two main problems with the brewery is that someone will have to have really deep pockets (and not care about not making their money back in a decently timed fashion) and too many people not caring about it being torn down until it's too late...the current layout is somewhat of a headache to try to redevelop into something mixed use in the future; especially the upper floors.

I think the Morgan Keegan tower would be ok with RJ moving to a new tower; especially with any potential move being 6 or so years from now. That would allow the property owners to find new tenants which shouldn't be as difficult as it has in the past since there's a push to get companies to move downtown. The difference between a move by RJ from the Morgan Keegan Tower and the Sterick is that one is only 29 years old and is in good shape where as the other was 50+ and in pretty bad shape. I know that TVA and KPMG also occupy space there, I just don't know how much and if there are any smaller companies that lease space there (I'm sure there are, someone help me out by looking it up for me).

While we're on the topic of towers, 100 N. Main still has tenants there, so I don't know how fast they're planning on moving on that. If there was one project that I wish would get going (other than the Brewery) it's this one. I think that it would have the overall highest impact on downtown.

MEMFLY Jun 2, 2014 10:45 PM

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"Carlisle declined to go into detail on the modifications to the plans, but did say they would be "significantly different.
" and no more hotel?

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"He declined to disclose the prospective tenant's name. But one large office user that's currently looking for new space is Raymond James, currently in Raymond James Tower at 50 N. Front St. in Downtown."
Moving entirely to a new building?

DoomJ Jun 2, 2014 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 6602434)
I hear you on the brewery. I mentioned something about the brewery to an architecture/real estate friend of mine over the weekend and he jokingly mentioned that if something could logically be done with it, then it would have already made some progress. I guess that's somewhat true considering Crosstown and Chisca have been bailed out. The two main problems with the brewery is that someone will have to have really deep pockets (and not care about not making their money back in a decently timed fashion) and too many people not caring about it being torn down until it's too late...the current layout is somewhat of a headache to try to redevelop into something mixed use in the future; especially the upper floors.

I think the Morgan Keegan tower would be ok with RJ moving to a new tower; especially with any potential move being 6 or so years from now. That would allow the property owners to find new tenants which shouldn't be as difficult as it has in the past since there's a push to get companies to move downtown. The difference between a move by RJ from the Morgan Keegan Tower and the Sterick is that one is only 29 years old and is in good shape where as the other was 50+ and in pretty bad shape. I know that TVA and KPMG also occupy space there, I just don't know how much and if there are any smaller companies that lease space there (I'm sure there are, someone help me out by looking it up for me).

While we're on the topic of towers, 100 N. Main still has tenants there, so I don't know how fast they're planning on moving on that. If there was one project that I wish would get going (other than the Brewery) it's this one. I think that it would have the overall highest impact on downtown.

Totally understand the Brewery issues. It was simply my fantasy that someone had an idea and money, hah.

But yeah, One Beale happening could be quite a catalyst. Having a shiny new beacon dramatically altering the skyline for the first time in decades could easily cascade into other developments and redevelopments.

I'm glad there's some real excitement again. I hope this gets going along.


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