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thenoflyzone May 4, 2021 8:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9268356)
https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...schedules.html

Although it's not as easy to look past 355 days, but the schedule until the end of Oct 2022 is already in there if you find a way to get it.

How the hell do you do that?

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9268467)
Almost all the flights are now grouped nicely by geography. The hole for LHR had been filled up with additional flights to YUL and YVR... Seems like AC is looking at additional India/South Asia flight (AC 48)? Another German flight (AC 838)??

I think a second daily YYZ-DEL can definitely be supported. They are most likely keeping a few flight numbers open for that very reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9268515)

Those two links are coming up as HTML scripts on my screen.

hollywoodcory May 4, 2021 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9269611)
How the hell do you do that?



I think a second daily YYZ-DEL can definitely be supported. They are most likely keeping a few flight numbers open for that very reason.



Those two links are coming up as HTML scripts on my screen.

That's the point, it's pulling raw code from the website to see schedules beyond the 355 parameters.

You can change the data it displays. At the top of the screen you'll see:
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&flightNumber=2&carrierCode=AC&date=10-25-2022
Change the flight # and date to look up schedule details. Same goes with by route.

WS has a similar timetable page, but I'm not sure if the same function can be done using it.
https://book.westjet.com/SSW2010/WSW...edulePage.html

thenoflyzone May 4, 2021 9:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9269642)
That's the point, it's pulling raw code from the website to see schedules beyond the 355 parameters.

You can change the data it displays. At the top of the screen you'll see:


Change the flight # and date to look up schedule details. Same goes with by route.

WS has a similar timetable page, but I'm not sure if the same function can be done using it.
https://book.westjet.com/SSW2010/WSW...edulePage.html

Yeah, I see that info, but it's not displaced all on one line, like you wrote. Also, it's not editable, for some reason.

Here is what I'm seeing, btw

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This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
<GetFlightsResponse xmlns="http://ibm.com/ac/csp/portal/schema" xmlns:ns2="http://ibm.com/ac/csp/ens/schema">
<Flights>
<Segments Logo="REDMAPLE">
<CarrierCode>AC</CarrierCode>
<FlightNumber>2</FlightNumber>
<OverallStatus>SCHEDULED</OverallStatus>
<DepartureStationInfo>
<Airport>HND</Airport>
<ScheduledTime>2022-10-25T17:30:00.000Z</ScheduledTime>
<ScheduledTimeISO>2022-10-25T17:30:00.000+09:00</ScheduledTimeISO>
<EstimatedTime>2022-10-25T17:30:00.000Z</EstimatedTime>
<EstimatedTimeISO>2022-10-25T17:30:00.000+09:00</EstimatedTimeISO>
<Gate/>
<Terminal>3</Terminal>
<Status>ONTIME</Status>
</DepartureStationInfo>
<ArrivalStationInfo>
<Airport>YYZ</Airport>
<ScheduledTime>2022-10-25T16:35:00.000Z</ScheduledTime>
<ScheduledTimeISO>2022-10-25T16:35:00.000-04:00</ScheduledTimeISO>
<EstimatedTime>2022-10-25T16:35:00.000Z</EstimatedTime>
<EstimatedTimeISO>2022-10-25T16:35:00.000-04:00</EstimatedTimeISO>
<Gate/>
<Terminal>1</Terminal>
<Status>ONTIME</Status>
<Carousel/>
</ArrivalStationInfo>
Anyways, this kind of stuff is way above my pay grade ! You guys are too cool for school !

Dominion301 May 5, 2021 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ac888yow (Post 9268491)
Interesting. The AC online timetable (PDF) shows both YOW-LHR and YOW-FRA on the route map.

YOW-LHR was AC888 pre-COVID but was supposed to change to AC868 I believe. Seems that number change has been abandoned (?) because AC868 is taken and AC888 is unassigned. If we’re to believe the map YOW-LHR might return under its familiar number (?).

YOW-FRA is even more interesting. AC flew it as AC838 for years then handed it off to LH pre-COVID (but it never got a chance to fly due to it). If we’re to believe the map then maybe AC is planning to take this back under the familiar AC838 (?)

It's hard to fathom that post-pandemic YOW could be left with no transatlantic air service...especially with AC still showing YHZ-LHR...although no YYT-LHR either. However, it's too soon to tell whether LH will load YOW-FRA for summer 2022.

If AC abandon YOW-LHR, you would think WS would jump at the opportunity to launch YOW-LGW on a MAX...they were planning just that 3x weekly in 2019...but the MAX grounding got in the way.

This is the story of YOW - the place can never catch a break. 2020 was going to shatter the 2018 pax record of 5.1 million. Now the airport could be nothing more than a domestic airport with a couple of transborder and some winter sun routes. Maybe Flair will someday become YOW's biggest airline and ETOPS some of those 50 MAXes they eventually want to have. :P

CityTech May 5, 2021 4:31 PM

A long term consequence of COVID could be that the federal government stops flying people all over the country for meetings and just does them all over the internet. Great news for taxpayers, but bad news for YOW.

Coldrsx May 5, 2021 5:10 PM

To a degree, but in-person will not go away or diminish as much as people believe in the mid-longer term.

Denscity May 5, 2021 5:33 PM

Will "closing the deal on the golf course" still be a thing in the near future?

Airboy May 5, 2021 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9270469)
To a degree, but in-person will not go away or diminish as much as people believe in the mid-longer term.

Just finished teaching a course this morning and the other instructors each said it would be better in person for better engagement. So I agree the shift to Zoom or Teams may be only for some things.

I was doing construction reviews using Holobloc but have to say being on site last week was much better.

And because I flew. I was on a 737 max for the first time. Very comfortable aircraft, was in Business class. But did notice that the air pressure was better. Ears did not pop or get plugged until I hopped on the Dash for the next leg.

thenoflyzone May 5, 2021 8:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9270359)
It's hard to fathom that post-pandemic YOW could be left with no transatlantic air service...especially with AC still showing YHZ-LHR...although no YYT-LHR either. However, it's too soon to tell whether LH will load YOW-FRA for summer 2022.

If AC abandon YOW-LHR, you would think WS would jump at the opportunity to launch YOW-LGW on a MAX...they were planning just that 3x weekly in 2019...but the MAX grounding got in the way.

This is the story of YOW - the place can never catch a break. 2020 was going to shatter the 2018 pax record of 5.1 million. Now the airport could be nothing more than a domestic airport with a couple of transborder and some winter sun routes. Maybe Flair will someday become YOW's biggest airline and ETOPS some of those 50 MAXes they eventually want to have. :P

I would be extremely surprised if YOW-LHR doesn't return in 2022. Same for YHZ-LHR. AC won't get rid of their precious LHR slots, and if push comes to shove, both routes can be flown with the MAX (therefore limiting costs). Confident these routes will come back next year, at the latest.

Sure, they can lease their LHR slots out if demand doesn't pick up by next year, but i believe it will.

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9270469)
To a degree, but in-person will not go away or diminish as much as people believe in the mid-longer term.

I agree. We are social creatures. For a lot of people, nothing can replace a firm handshake. Business travel will recover, even if it's going to take a bit longer than the recovery of leisure travel.

YOWhopeful May 5, 2021 9:44 PM

But dropping YOW-LHR doesn’t really make them give up a slot at LHR if they replace it with a second YUL does it?

Alexcaban May 5, 2021 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by YOWhopeful (Post 9270897)
But dropping YOW-LHR doesn’t really make them give up a slot at LHR if they replace it with a second YUL does it?

Bingo

thenoflyzone May 6, 2021 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by YOWhopeful (Post 9270897)
But dropping YOW-LHR doesn’t really make them give up a slot at LHR if they replace it with a second YUL does it?

Double daily AC on YUL-LHR won’t last once BA resumes YUL. Triple daily on the route is overkill.

YOW-LHR will return.

ac888yow May 6, 2021 12:33 AM

Well if they cede the market it likely won’t stay vacant for long. Another player in town would be a healthy step away from the AC shackles.

thenoflyzone May 6, 2021 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ac888yow (Post 9271065)
Well if they cede the market it likely won’t stay vacant for long. Another player in town would be a healthy step away from the AC shackles.

Not necessarily. Look at YEG-LHR. No one is jumping over each other to serve the route.

ac888yow May 6, 2021 1:20 AM

So will return but not necessarily. Got it.

Dominion301 May 6, 2021 1:28 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9271084)
Not necessarily. Look at YEG-LHR. No one is jumping over each other to serve the route.

True, but YOW-LHR was always the stronger market, both O&D wise and in J...as long as international conferences return gov't J class travel will return out of YOW.

It's just weird that AC would elect to keep YHZ-LHR over YOW-LHR, especially given all the other transatlantic service on WS & Condor...unless AC are pinning some faint hope on BA abandoning YUL-LHR like they did a few years ago with DTW where they flew to for 50 years. Maybe then BA can shift to YOW, lol.

Pre-pandemic O&D was about 100k a year on YOW-LHR.

nname May 6, 2021 1:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9268914)
This one is still listed in April. Here's hoping it sticks around, I switched my loyalty from Cathay to AC when they launched this route.

I was hoping too, but reservation for winter just closed last night.

Seems like my parents took one of the last flight for the route... :(

Alexcaban May 6, 2021 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9271116)
True, but YOW-LHR was always the stronger market, both O&D wise and in J...as long as international conferences return gov't J class travel will return out of YOW.

It's just weird that AC would elect to keep YHZ-LHR over YOW-LHR, especially given all the other transatlantic service on WS & Condor...unless AC are pinning some faint hope on BA abandoning YUL-LHR like they did a few years ago with DTW where they flew to for 50 years. Maybe then BA can shift to YOW, lol.

Pre-pandemic O&D was about 100k a year on YOW-LHR.

AC is keeping YHZ-LHR
1 because the MAX is the perfect aircraft for the route.
2 because why make people back track to YYZ/YUL

YOW LHR will not return until we reach 2019 levels and that’s still
A few years away. YOW is not a base for crew or pilots and AC probably doesn’t see the need to rotate a 788 on a rapid air, deadhead crew, etc. It’s unfortunate but YOW will always be squeezed between Toronto and Montreal.

bikegypsy May 6, 2021 3:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9271548)
AC is keeping YHZ-LHR
1 because the MAX is the perfect aircraft for the route.
2 because why make people back track to YYZ/YUL

YOW LHR will not return until we reach 2019 levels and that’s still
A few years away. YOW is not a base for crew or pilots and AC probably doesn’t see the need to rotate a 788 on a rapid air, deadhead crew, etc. It’s unfortunate but YOW will always be squeezed between Toronto and Montreal.

Ottawa is funneled into YUL... Infinitely more than people realize. YOW loses 30% of its traffic to Montreal. Outside covid, Ottawa should have regular flights to London, Frankfurt, Paris, probably an Asian destination and then some. There's a reason why YUL was built in Dorval.

esquire May 6, 2021 3:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9270816)
I agree. We are social creatures. For a lot of people, nothing can replace a firm handshake. Business travel will recover, even if it's going to take a bit longer than the recovery of leisure travel.

If anything I would expect business travel to bounce back first. The only people I know flying anywhere these days are doing so for work reasons.

But that said, there is no way this doesn't take a long-term chunk out of business travel. Whether it's 10% or 40% or whatever is impossible to say at this point, but I think covid will have shifted habits enough that some business travel (and possibly leisure travel) just won't come back.


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