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casper Mar 29, 2020 3:52 AM

One more airline just suspended service to Canada.

TAP Air Portugal went down to two flights per week to Toronto until March 31 and now down to zero flights until May 4

https://www.flytap.com/en-pt/latest-...1f-content&v=t

hollywoodcory Mar 29, 2020 7:08 AM

WS has now removed all international flights until April 30.

BCN and FCO have both been delayed until June. YHZ-MAN has been completely removed and appears to be cancelled?

YYCguys Mar 29, 2020 7:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8877574)
WS has now removed all international flights until April 30.

BCN and FCO have both been delayed until June. YHZ-MAN has been completely removed and appears to be cancelled?

With their 767 fleet grounded, will BCN move to 787 service?

casper Mar 29, 2020 3:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8877578)
With their 767 fleet grounded, will BCN move to 787 service?

That is a major cruise ship port. I don't think there is going to be a strong desire from the general public to go on a cruise, especially overseas. AC goes back to before Rouge only had 2-3 767 without international business class and that market was where they sent those birds.


Is BCN still a viable route? Not certain what market WestJet was after on that route.

hollywoodcory Mar 29, 2020 4:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8877578)
With their 767 fleet grounded, will BCN move to 787 service?

So far, it still shows as a 763. Presently WestJet has grounded all of its 767s, and 737-800s, and 3 of its 4 787s. I've heard rumblings that they are planning to retire them all early, but its unconfirmed as of now.

Full Long-Haul schedule update:

YYC-LGW Resumes May 5
YYC-DUB Resumes May 6
YYC-CDG Resumes May 7
YYC-FCO Starts June 4
YYZ-LGW Resumes May 5
YYZ-BCN Resumes June 5
YVR-LGW Starts May 5
YHZ-LGW Resumes May 5
YHZ-GLA Resumes May 5
YHZ-DUB Resumes May 7
YHZ-MAN Cancelled for Summer 2020.

All frequencies and equipment type remain the same.

Looking at the transborder schedule, looks like all international and US flights are presently planned to resume May 5.

wave46 Mar 29, 2020 6:21 PM

Looks like Air Canada is storing a bunch of aircraft at Kansas City Airport (MCI) today.

I think they have a bunch a Mirabel too.

Djeffery Mar 29, 2020 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8877859)
Looks like Air Canada is storing a bunch of aircraft at Kansas City Airport (MCI) today.

I think they have a bunch a Mirabel too.

I just happened to glance at FR24 yesterday and caught an AC 777 going to Marana, which stores a lot of aircraft.

Dominion301 Mar 29, 2020 7:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8877762)
So far, it still shows as a 763. Presently WestJet has grounded all of its 767s, and 737-800s, and 3 of its 4 787s. I've heard rumblings that they are planning to retire them all early, but its unconfirmed as of now.

Full Long-Haul schedule update:

YYC-LGW Resumes May 5
YYC-DUB Resumes May 6
YYC-CDG Resumes May 7
YYC-FCO Starts June 4
YYZ-LGW Resumes May 5
YYZ-BCN Resumes June 5
YVR-LGW Starts May 5
YHZ-LGW Resumes May 5
YHZ-GLA Resumes May 5
YHZ-DUB Resumes May 7
YHZ-MAN Cancelled for Summer 2020.

All frequencies and equipment type remain the same.

Looking at the transborder schedule, looks like all international and US flights are presently planned to resume May 5.

I'd be surprised if any of these operate at all this summer. YHZ hasn't had much luck with new WS transatlantic route announcements actually getting off the ground. Last year it was CDG due to the MAX and now this summer MAN thanks to COVID-19.

Speaking of luck, LH have pulled YOW-FRA (metal swap with AC) before even the first flight. My in-laws were going to take one of LH's first flights in May. Hopefully LH will launch YOW-FRA in summer 2021. YOW was going to have a record year, now the airport will be lucky to break 3 million = 1996 traffic levels.

hollywoodcory Mar 29, 2020 8:35 PM

https://blog.westjet.com/westjet-ann...e-start-dates/

Full WS announcement on today's schedule update. Includes some seasonal domestic routes being delayed or suspended too.

The following has been delayed until July 3:
YYC-YXY
YYC-YDQ
YYC-YQG
YYZ-YDF
YHZ-YQX

Looks like YEG-YQU has been suspended until further notice.

I suspect LGW will still operate this summer, maybe even the other UK routes / CDG. As for FCO & BCN the jury is still out given the situation in Spain and Italy.

craneSpotter Mar 30, 2020 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8876892)
Canadian route updates - foreign carriers Trans-Pacific (of course subject to change):

All Nippon Airways (29Mar - 24Apr):

Tokyo Haneda – Vancouver, 3 weekly 787-9

Air China (29Mar-30Apr):

Beijing Capital – Vancouver, 1 weekly 777-300ER

Beijing Capital – Montreal – Havana, 1 weekly 777-300ER (Havana service restored)

Japan Airlines (29Mar-30Apr):

Tokyo Narita – Vancouver, 2 weekly 767

Philippine Airlines (15Apr-30Apr):

Manila – Toronto, 1 daily 777-300ER

Manila – Vancouver, 1 daily 777-300ER

Cathay Pacific (29Mar-31May):

Hong Kong – Vancouver, 2 weekly A350-900XWB (3 weekly from 12MAY20)

Add:

Korean Air:

Seoul Incheon – Vancouver, 4 weekly 787-9 (Cancelled 03APR20 – 30APR20)

Denscity Mar 30, 2020 8:35 PM

Good that YVR kept 6 Asian flights.

whatnext Mar 30, 2020 8:54 PM

Air Canada to begin laying off 15,000 employees this week due to COVID-19, internal memo suggests

spaceprobe Mar 30, 2020 9:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 8878977)
Add:

Korean Air:

Seoul Incheon – Vancouver, 4 weekly 787-9 (Cancelled 03APR20 – 30APR20)

No flights from Shanghai? So the only flights from China to Canada are from Beijing?

hollywoodcory Mar 30, 2020 9:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceprobe (Post 8879177)
No flights from Shanghai? So the only flights from China to Canada are from Beijing?

China Eastern is flying 1x Weekly PVG-YYZ.

SFUVancouver Mar 30, 2020 9:58 PM

Just putting this out there for opinions, I have a trip booked for the end of May with BA (outbound) and United (return), paid for with points and credit card for taxes, etc. All flights booked through the respective airlines' frequent flyer program portals. Our initial thought was to wait and let the airlines cancel the booking vs us doing so preemptively. Any alternative thoughts?

Djeffery Mar 30, 2020 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 8879219)
Just putting this out there for opinions, I have a trip booked for the end of May with BA (outbound) and United (return), paid for with points and credit card for taxes, etc. All flights booked through the respective airlines' frequent flyer program portals. Our initial thought was to wait and let the airlines cancel the booking vs us doing so preemptively. Any alternative thoughts?

Are you hoping to go, or hoping it gets cancelled? If you are hoping it gets cancelled, is there a benefit to you for them to cancel instead of you cancelling? Are they letting you cancel penalty free right now, or are you hoping for some perks should they cancel on you?

SFUVancouver Mar 31, 2020 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djeffery (Post 8879320)
Are you hoping to go, or hoping it gets cancelled? If you are hoping it gets cancelled, is there a benefit to you for them to cancel instead of you cancelling? Are they letting you cancel penalty free right now, or are you hoping for some perks should they cancel on you?

The last time I checked, the airlines weren't addressing our travel dates. Obviously, it would have been our preference to go, not only for the well-deserved (and long-anticipated) vacation (our first in years), but also because it was black magic to get the dates and destination and itinerary we wanted on points. With that said, we're very clearly going to err on the side of caution and cannot imagine that the crisis is going to be over in less than two months.

BenYOW Mar 31, 2020 12:37 AM

The Government of Canada is waiving the ground lease payments for March to December for the 21 Airport Authorities, as well as PortsToronto (Toronto Billy Bishop Airport). Release

craneSpotter Mar 31, 2020 2:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceprobe (Post 8879177)
No flights from Shanghai? So the only flights from China to Canada are from Beijing?

I was just posting updates from foreign carriers with Asia-Canada service (i.e. not Air Canada), as things change, not a comprehensive list of all service.

This post (last page) outlined the current schedule from Chinese carriers with Canada-China service - since its one flight per week, per airline per country rule change:

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8876452)
Updated, change CA to PEK-YVR

CA PEK-YVR
MU PVG-YYZ
CZ CAN-YVR
HU PEK-YYZ
MF XMN-YVR
3U CTU-YVR

In addition to Cathay Pacific, there is Air Canada YVR-HKG 2x week during April.

thenoflyzone Mar 31, 2020 4:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenYOW (Post 8879416)
The Government of Canada is waiving the ground lease payments for March to December for the 21 Airport Authorities, as well as PortsToronto (Toronto Billy Bishop Airport). Release

It's a good move, but it's not as if airports would have payed huge rent to the government this year anyways.

Rent is a percentage of airport revenues, and as airport revenues will be in the toilet this year, rent would have followed. So the figure of $331.4 million that is quoted in the government press release is just fluff. Airports wouldn't have payed that much this year anyways.


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