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alps Aug 27, 2018 4:35 PM

Diagram of Halifax airport drawn for Wikipedia:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rt_diagram.jpg

(Full size)

casper Aug 28, 2018 6:33 AM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8295045)
^ I agree about the WS recorded safety announcements in French.

It's funny how VIA Rail goes to the other extreme, making sure that even trains in remote northern Manitoba are staffed by fully bilingual attendants even though you'd probably spot a leprechaun on the train before bumping into a unilingual French speaker. Meanwhile, WestJet can't seem to put at least one French-speaker on mainline flights between major Canadian cities.

Not certain if it has changed, but for a long time WestJet flight crew were all based out of Calgary. I think now they may have some based out of Toronto.

In comparison Air Canada has crew based out Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, (perhaps a few other cities).

SpongeG Aug 28, 2018 6:50 AM

I fly within BC usually with AC and when they do the announcements the flight attendants at least one of them will do the announcements in both english and french. When I have flown westjet on the same route they do them in english and then just push button for the same thing in French.

........

Air Canada, WestJet raising checked baggage fees

By Staff The Canadian Press

MONTREAL – Many Canadians will be forced to spend a little more to travel after Air Canada and WestJet Airlines Ltd. said they are increasing fees for passengers to check their bags.

The country’s two largest airlines are raising the fee for the first checked bag to $30 from $25, and for the second bag to $50 from $30.

READ MORE: WestJet cutting flights in a bid to reverse first loss in 13 years

The moves were made swiftly after major U.S. airline JetBlue Airways Corp. hiked its fees for checked bags and to change a ticket.

“This is the first change since 2014 and will help offset overall increasing costs and keep overall ticket prices competitive,” Air Canada spokeswoman Isabelle Arthur wrote in an email.

The new baggage fees apply on flights across Canada, to and from the United States, the Caribbean and Mexico, departing on or after Oct. 5.

...

https://globalnews.ca/news/4412875/a...-baggage-fees/

J81 Aug 28, 2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ghYHZ (Post 8294457)
If there are 6 flight between 510 and 650.....there must be a demand that's being dictated by a passengers schedule (not the airlines) to be somewhere early for say a breakfast meeting in Montreal, Ottawa or Toronto.......and wth the time difference.....you can even be in Vancouver by late morning.

The demand is there for those morning flights because the airlines dictate it. After the 7:10 ( maybe 7:30 ) flight to YYZ there isnt another one until 1 pm. Ive long wished for mid morning departure to YYZ. I rarely need to be where im going at the crack of dawn so it means i have to kill 3-5 hrs in the airport or somewhere close to my hotel. Such is reality in Moncton.

J81 Aug 28, 2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SaskScraper (Post 8294183)
WJ did just increase its daily service from Saskatoon to YYC by 2 flights each day and Regina to YYC by 1 extra flight per day so maybe again just shifting around of their planes.

Are those flights operated by Q400s?

CloudInspector Aug 28, 2018 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 8296177)
Not certain if it has changed, but for a long time WestJet flight crew were all based out of Calgary. I think now they may have some based out of Toronto.

In comparison Air Canada has crew based out Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, (perhaps a few other cities).

WestJet’s Crew bases are YVR, YYC and YYZ.

AC also has YWG.

thenoflyzone Aug 28, 2018 8:44 PM

AC has a small A320 crew base at YWG. If it wasnt for the ACPPA, they would get rid of that base asap and just have 3, just like WS.

LeftCoaster Aug 28, 2018 9:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8296842)
AC has a small A320 crew base at YWG. If it wasnt for the ACPPA, they would get rid of that base asap and just have 3, just like WS.

Doesn't AC have 4? YVR, YYC, YYZ and YUL?

DDP Aug 28, 2018 9:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad (Post 8294441)
Outside of four or maybe five major airports in Canada, I think it's perfectly fair to question the quality of service being offered by our airlines (especially AC).

In Moncton, we typically have 18-22 departures daily (on all airlines, depending on the day of the week). On average, six of these departures are between 0510 and 0650 hrs (to allow connections at hub airports).

For the 0510 flight, this means you have to get out of friggin bed at 3AM to get to the airport on time, check your bags and get through security. :hell:

What the frig!!! Would this be acceptable in the centre of the universe (TO)??? I sincerely doubt it. Out here in the colonies though, this sort of torture is to be expected. And then on the flight to TO (or wherever), you have to deal with snooty service from some stewardess who is also sleep deprived and snarky because she doesn't really want to be awake at this God forsaken hour either.

The only airline I don't really have a problem with flying out of Moncton is Porter. Their earliest flight is 0630 (at least a little more humane), they treat you decently and give you free booze.........

Toronto's first flights are at 620 AM (it's regulated). And those are flights to Calgary, YVR, YEG and Montreal.

Early morning Moncton flights to Toronto mean you can make tons of connections in Toronto to the mid west and other parts of Canada very easily.

thenoflyzone Aug 28, 2018 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8296888)
Doesn't AC have 4? YVR, YYC, YYZ and YUL?

No pilot base in YYC. Only flight attendants.

Hali87 Aug 28, 2018 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad (Post 8294441)
Would this be acceptable in the centre of the universe (TO)??? I sincerely doubt it. Out here in the colonies though, this sort of torture is to be expected.

This has nothing to do with Toronto being self-important though. It's because it's the arrangement that makes the most logistical sense for the airlines. If enough people complain though maybe the airlines would compromise and move some of the Moncton -> Toronto flights to later in the day, although then other people would complain because it would be harder for them to make connections.

There's probably an argument to be made that Toronto became an important city because, all things considered, it's a logical place to centralize things including transportation networks, not the other way around.

someone123 Aug 28, 2018 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hali87 (Post 8296998)
This has nothing to do with Toronto being self-important though. It's because it's the arrangement that makes the most logistical sense for the airlines. If enough people complain though maybe the airlines would compromise and move some of the Moncton -> Toronto flights to later in the day, although then other people would complain because it would be harder for them to make connections.

Both options are already available. There's a disproportionate number of early-morning flights but if you want you can fly direct on AC from Moncton to Toronto tomorrow at 15:50 or 20:30 too, or you have a bunch of other options if you want to do other connections. This is in a city with 150,000 people or so.

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There's probably an argument to be made that Toronto became an important city because, all things considered, it's a logical place to centralize things including transportation networks, not the other way around.
If this were true then it would be an amazing coincidence that Canada's provinces match our geography so perfectly that most of them have one big city with around half of the provincial population.

I think Canada's urban structure is mostly driven by the political organization of the country. Ontario has its big city, Toronto, and Ontario happens to be the biggest province so Toronto's the Canadian city and it tends to do well in winner-take-all areas that are not regulated provincially and not open to foreign competition. Some examples are financial services, telecommunications, and transportation. Toronto dominates these. Healthcare is an example of an industry regulated at the provincial level and software companies like Google are part of an industry with low regulation and high globalization. Toronto doesn't dominate these.

Hali87 Aug 28, 2018 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by someone123 (Post 8297018)
Both options are already available. There's a disproportionate number of early-morning flights but if you want you can fly direct on AC from Moncton to Toronto tomorrow at 15:50 or 20:30 too, or you have a bunch of other options if you want to do other connections. This is in a city with 150,000 people or so.

I guess my point is that it makes more sense to route air travel through Toronto than say, Winnipeg (which is closer to the geographic centre), not JUST because Toronto is larger but also because it's close to a lot of other large cities and because Canada's "centre" based on population distribution skews east (and south) of the "centre" based on geography alone.

Pinus Aug 29, 2018 5:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8296842)
AC has a small A320 crew base at YWG. If it wasnt for the ACPPA, they would get rid of that base asap and just have 3, just like WS.

What makes you think they would "get rid of that base ASAP"? Any personal inside info you care to share on this one to make it more legit?

p_xavier Aug 30, 2018 3:51 PM

YHU has offcially opened its new runway this morning with capacity for jets.
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/20...principale.php

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The 1,700-foot (2,377-meter) runway, built at a cost of $ 17 million, was funded primarily by Ottawa, which contributed more than $ 13 million.
This runway now gives access to the Montreal South Shore Airport to large aircraft such as the Airbus A220 / 320 or the Boeing 737-200 from Chrono, which becomes the first major carrier based in Saint-Hubert.

The airport management is now hoping to develop the commercial flight sector from the airport, which is about 15 minutes from the city center and served by the commuter train.

One of its objectives is to become a hub for regional flights to destinations such as Abitibi, Côte-Nord or Gaspésie, for example, at a lower cost than departures from Montreal. The possibility of being the airport of discount carriers is also an area of ​​interest.

MonctonRad Aug 30, 2018 5:46 PM

:previous:

Certainly sounds like St. Hubert is destined to be the Hamilton or Abbotsford of the greater Montreal area........

LeftCoaster Aug 30, 2018 5:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8296974)
No pilot base in YYC. Only flight attendants.

Well how about that, always thought it was a pilot base too given the amount of flights.

p_xavier Aug 30, 2018 5:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad (Post 8299059)
:previous:

Certainly sounds like St. Hubert is destined to be the Hamilton or Abbotsford of the greater Montreal area........

Except it's nearly next to DT... There's a study for a terminal being built.

esquire Aug 30, 2018 6:08 PM

^ Makes me wonder if YMX could have become an alternate airport for ULCCs if the terminal had lasted a few more years!

MonctonRad Aug 30, 2018 6:12 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8299102)
^ Makes me wonder if YMX could have become an alternate airport for ULCCs if the terminal had lasted a few more years!

It would have had the advantage of not being too far from Ottawa too,


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