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chris Mar 18, 2018 1:02 AM

Is there room at YUL to fit another parallel runway?

BenTheGreat97 Mar 19, 2018 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chris (Post 8123662)
Is there room at YUL to fit another parallel runway?

The only place where a parallel runway could be put in would be northwest of the current 24R/06L, and it would require significant demolition of buildings, as well the runway would be quite a bit shorter than the other 24/06 runways. It would also be too close to permit simultaneous arrivals, especially if the weather isn't great and ILS needs to be used.

zahav Mar 19, 2018 5:39 PM

Air Canada is reducing capacity on the YHZ-LHR route, but an upgrade in service IMO. They are switching to 737MAX, from 767 previously. Obviously the new Westjet service would've factored in here, they didn't need a higher-capacity heavy aircraft on this route anymore. But daily 737 on WS and AC is better offerings anyways, and the 737MAX is far superior in product to the 767 from what people say. And with the latest updates to the YYZ schedule, there won't be any Air Canada heavies into YHZ anymore. So that just leaves seasonal Condor with widebody service? Unless Transat uses 330s on some of the winter sun flying?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...craft-changes/

thenoflyzone Mar 19, 2018 7:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicko999 (Post 8123004)
How exactly can someone who's in the industry claim that keeping the operations at YUL was the right decision?

You said it yourself, YUL's max capacity is 25-30M. That will be Vancouver's traffic in 2018. Are we going to use Van City, a city SMALLER than Montreal, as a reference(no offence)?


It's the right decision because it's the most fiscally responsible one. YUL still has room to grow. Montreal no longer being Canada's economic leader makes it the right decision. Investing heavily in YMX will not bring back the former glory days of Montreal. How can you not understand that.

I never said YUL's max capacity is 25-30 million. The current terminal's capacity is probably around 20-25 million. A new terminal can easily add another 10 million to that number. If they keep expanding the airport, they can easily go beyond 35 million. However a lot of work needs to be done to make that happen. It is still, however, cheaper this way, than to close YUL and invest in YMX.

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Originally Posted by Nicko999 (Post 8123004)
Mirabel's max capacity was basically limitless.

Keyword "was". It no longer is. A lot of the land confiscated by the government has been returned to the municipality. YMX can no longer be the megahub that was promised, at least not with substantial investment on the part of ADM. This is why investing in YUL, an airport closer to downtown Montreal, and that suits Montreal's needs for the medium to long (with upgrades) term, is the right decision.

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Originally Posted by Nicko999 (Post 8123004)
Big megapolises need big projects.

We are only one part of the Windsor-Toronto-Montreal-Quebec megapolis. Montreal is not a alpha city, nor an alpha - or Beta +. Montreal is a Beta city, far down the list.

We dont need to tear down YUL and build up YMX. We are nowhere near the level of air traffic to justify such an expensive undertaking. Governments past have spent needlessly. Let's not repeat that mistake.

Besides, the next logical big project for our megapolis should be a high speed rail between Windsor and Quebec City. Not a new mega airport.

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Originally Posted by connect2source (Post 8123460)
YQB looks incredible and the terminal looks huge for an airport handling only around 1.7M PAX / year, guess they're future-proofing it.

Indeed. With this upgrade, YQB is set for the next 20+ years in terms of terminal space. Dont forget, they had to go a bit bigger, as they had to plan for a US pre clearance facility in there as well. YQB and YTZ were promised USCBP in the coming years.

zahav Mar 21, 2018 8:09 AM

YVR January stats posted, really strong start (this cut and slightly edited from the Vancouver thread courtesy of Johnny Aussie):

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/docume...date.pdf?la=en

Overall up 8.2%
Domestic up 7.0%
International up 9.3%

Intl breakdown
Transborder up 11.0%
Asia Pacific up 6.0% (impressive with Chinese New Year in Feb this year)
Europe up 4.0%
Latin America up 17.6%
Cargo up 6.9%

thenoflyzone Mar 21, 2018 4:09 PM

...and still waiting for YYZ to publish Nov and Dec 2017 numbers....

In the meantime, here are the January stats for Canada's 4 other large airports, with a typical breakdown of the domestic, transborder and intl (not including transborder) numbers, for better comparison.

YVR 1,937,790 +8.2% (domestic 901,164 +7.0%, transborder 483,991 +11%, intl 552,635 +7.9%)
YUL 1,421,794 +5.5% (domestic 480,442 +4.2%, transborder 321,557 +4.5%, intl 619,795 +7.0%)
YYC 1,300,641 +5.4% (domestic 860,117 +3.7%, transborder 254,875 +7.2%, intl 185,649 +11.2%)
YEG 640,707 +6.0% (domestic 456,765 +7.1%, transborder 87,827 +3.5%, intl 62,573 +3.4%)

kwoldtimer Mar 21, 2018 5:16 PM

Why are YYZ's numbers so slow to come out?

Johnny Aussie Mar 21, 2018 6:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8127189)
YVR January stats posted, really strong start (this cut and slightly edited from the Vancouver thread courtesy of Johnny Aussie):

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/docume...date.pdf?la=en

Overall up 8.2%
Domestic up 7.0%
International up 9.3%

Intl breakdown
Transborder up 11.0%
Asia Pacific up 6.0% (impressive with Chinese New Year in Feb this year)
Europe up 4.0%
Latin America up 17.6%
Cargo up 6.9%

Thanks for sharing and for the credit!

The impressive stat for YVR is its total international numbers cracked the 1,000,000 mark for the first time for a January. Up over 88,000 from Jan 2017 to 1,036,600.... edged out my current hometown airport of MEL for the first time... which was 1,032,100!

And total pax were up close to 150,000 compared to Jan 2017.

thenoflyzone Mar 21, 2018 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8127708)
Why are YYZ's numbers so slow to come out?

They probably simply forgot to publish them online.

The Chemist Mar 21, 2018 11:09 PM

Not exactly on topic, but I've been wondering - why don't more airports do like Singapore and have security just for entering the gate area? It makes the experience of going through security prior to a flight SO much faster. I travel a lot for work and I have to say there isn't an airport in the world that I look forward to travelling through like I look forward to travelling through Changi. It's the top rated airport in the world for good reasons.

YYCguys Mar 22, 2018 3:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8127708)
Why are YYZ's numbers so slow to come out?

Everything in Toronto moves at a glacial pace! :???:

Coldrsx Mar 22, 2018 3:14 AM

YUL and YEG's domestic are almost equal? Interesting.

G.S MTL Mar 22, 2018 4:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 8128511)
YUL and YEG's domestic are almost equal? Interesting.

OMG you’re right ! :uhh: And transborder, YUL is almost 5x YEG and international, it’s 10x YEG. Interesting. We already know why domestic is much busier out west. Let’s not go there.

Coldrsx Mar 22, 2018 4:22 AM

Reiterates how insular MTL is:)

zahav Mar 22, 2018 7:40 AM

Skytrax Best Airports Awards were announced today, with YVR Best Airport in North America, I think this was 9 years in a row. Only North American airport in the top 20 on the worldwide list. And Fairmont Vancouver Airport named 4th best airport hotel in the world, again the only North American one on the top 10 list.

excel Mar 22, 2018 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8128634)
Skytrax Best Airports Awards were announced today, with YVR Best Airport in North America, I think this was 9 years in a row. Only North American airport in the top 20 on the worldwide list. And Fairmont Vancouver Airport named 4th best airport hotel in the world, again the only North American one on the top 10 list.

Canadian cities that made the list of top 100 airports:

Vancouver - 14 (13 in 2017)
Toronto - 41 (43 in 2017)
Montreal - 67 (80 in 2017)
Halifax - 77 (65 in 2017)

vanatox Mar 22, 2018 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 8128576)
Reiterates how insular MTL is:)

Don't go there buddy. Most of the traffic at YEG is domestic. On paper, Edmonton looks to be the most insular.

Acajack Mar 22, 2018 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 8128576)
Reiterates how insular MTL is:)

In the "Canadian" context... sure.

DrNest Mar 22, 2018 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8128634)
Skytrax Best Airports Awards were announced today, with YVR Best Airport in North America, I think this was 9 years in a row. Only North American airport in the top 20 on the worldwide list. And Fairmont Vancouver Airport named 4th best airport hotel in the world, again the only North American one on the top 10 list.

It amazes me how YVR gets voted so high. I've flown through there a lot in the past couple of years, and really don't like the layout. It feels like narrow corridors with a long, convoluted walk between various gates. It's still has a nice feel that YYZ or YUL, but doesn't come close to the openness of DTW.

DrNest Mar 22, 2018 1:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8128505)
Everything in Toronto moves at a glacial pace! :???:

Especially British Airways vacating the runway...


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