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JoninATX Jun 21, 2015 4:07 AM

Weather Jerry Jones likes it or not. There will be 3 NFL teams in Texas someday.

dales5050 Jun 22, 2015 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mello (Post 7069719)
Sorry you guys are naive to think Chargers are going to LA and the above article confirms that. The only place they might end up going is San Antonio in a few years if nothing ever gets done here. Rams are returning to LA and you never hear speculation about the Chargers being the one joining them in The Wood it is always Raiders. The whole Carson sham was just a way to put mega pressure on SD City/County and it worked.

So because of a post on 'Rant Sports' by a guy who covers Texas says something you agree with...others are naive? That's pretty funny.

While it is true that Kroenke can move his team w/o approval it does not go into depth on why that's a really bad move. Beyond blocking the ability to host Super Bowls, he would not be eligible for funds from the NFL. While he may not need those funds, he will have to consider a large relocation fee that would need to be paid in concert with the loss of revenue and pissing off the other owners.

It also does not cover that Spanos the most liked of the 3 owners and the Rams moving would eat into the Chargers fan base and still leave to California teams without a home.

As the owner of Oakland said:

"There are three teams that need to get their stadiums figured out, and we'll see if we can get that done. I'm happy whichever way that works. I'd be more than happy to have something done in Oakland. I don't see it as a fight for Los Angeles. I see it as a fight for a home."

The NFL owners group is an exclusive club of men who have a history of getting what they want and not being pushed around. To suggest that one of those owners is going to go past rhetoric and challenge the rest of his group is what's pretty naive if you ask me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mello (Post 7069719)
I also think Spanos is vying for some kind of "market compensation" for teams moving back to LA so he needs to make his LA proposal look serious. He wants to try and milk 200 million or so out of this deal for his "hardship" of having 2 teams come in to what he tries to claim is his market. I can see him getting a nice chunk of the Raiders/Rams relocation fee and walking away with 150 to 250 million from this.


Heh. Just making stuff up I see. How about $100M or $300M...I can make up numbers.

Also it's not even an option to have both the Rams/Raiders in LA. Unless of course you're suggesting a guy like Kroenke is going to force a move of his own, pay for it out of his pocket and then share with Oakland.

Again, who is naive?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mello (Post 7069719)
The spoils of the jewel that is the LA market were always going to go to Kroenke or some mega rich owner who paid at least 700 million for their franchis i.e. a fairly recent purchase. Why would Spanos be rewarded when he is a nobody who bought the team 30 years ago for 70 million. Kroenke paid close to 850 for his 100% stake in the Rams so it is only logical an owner who helped make these franchises worth so much would get to reap the bennies of LA not cheapo Spanos.

Some more inside stuff. lol

What an owner paid for a team has no bearing on their status with the other owners. The reason is the money from the sale of teams goes to the previous owner and not the league.

Under your brilliance, Terry Pegula is in like for a whole lot of goodies with the $1.4B he just paid for the team in Buffalo.

Again, while people like you might dislike Spanos and call him a 'cheapo'....he is the most liked of the 3 owners and that has a lot more weight than your opinion.

Eightball Jun 22, 2015 5:05 PM

Went to DT San Diego this past weekend for a couple days. Here are a couple photos of construction I noticed

Court House

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/288/19...374707bf_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/283/18...e5223da5_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3703/1...8631655a_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

I have no idea what this is called

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/331/19...0282a7dc_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/485/19...eae415c8_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3922/1...4714976e_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3906/1...5b7c71b9_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/418/18...6d28843f_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/436/18...7be51f01_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/506/18...d3044e88_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/554/18...dd407613_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

I may post a few more later

SDCAL Jun 22, 2015 8:58 PM

^^ I hope the new courthouse brings more foot traffic/street activity to the area around the W Hotel. I've always been perplexed by the W's location, seemed kind of isolated. I know it's close to Little Italy, but the immediate area around the hotel always seemed desolate.

SDfan Jun 22, 2015 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eightball (Post 7071081)
Went to DT San Diego this past weekend for a couple days. Here are a couple photos of construction I noticed

I may post a few more later

Thank you for the update, and please do.

JPAztec Jun 22, 2015 11:04 PM

Has anybody been by the Bosa site on Pacific Highway and Broadway? Or how about Ballpark Village? Would be cool to know if they're pouring any concrete down in the Bosa hole, or if there's a crater at BP yet. Thanks!

HurricaneHugo Jun 23, 2015 3:09 AM

What building is going up next to the Marriott?

Northparkwizard Jun 23, 2015 3:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 7071888)
What building is going up next to the Marriott?

"Marriott is proposing a major renovation of its meeting facilities to meet demands for space, flexibility, technology, food service, and design. Marriott executives believe the changes would make the hotel competitive with the newer San Diego Convention Center headquarter hotels in the vicinity.

The proposed new facilities would enable Marriott to book more group meetings, which would help ensure Marriott continues to maximize its hotel room occupancy. It would result in increased revenues for the Port District. The proposed project would also add a public access corridor, known as Marina Walk, between the Marriott and the adjacent Manchester Grand Hyatt. Marina Walk would improve public access to the South Embarcadero waterfront from Harbor Drive and the adjacent downtown residential community. Furthermore, the proposed project includes a 25,000-square-foot paved outdoor event area that will be used for hotel events such as cocktail parties and recptions; when not in use for Marriott events, it will be available for the public to use as an open gathering and activity space. The proposed project does not involve an increase in the number of hotel rooms or any in-water work at the Marriott Marina."

https://www.portofsandiego.org/san-d...ommission.html

Streamliner Jun 23, 2015 3:37 PM

The Marriott project will really help break up the wall in front of the waterfront:

https://www.portofsandiego.org/image...ottdetails.jpg

https://www.portofsandiego.org/image...dering-day.jpg
Source

Compared to:

http://i.imgur.com/RLkwqVU.jpg

This is the same project that burst a pipe a month or two ago if anyone remembers that.

JoninATX Jun 23, 2015 7:46 PM

Great rundown. Can't wait to get back to San Diego in the next few months. :)

Bertrice Jun 23, 2015 10:14 PM

Marriott had big water main break a couple months ago

http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/05/06/m...without-water/

http://media.10news.com/photo/2015/0....0_640_480.jpg

staplesla Jun 24, 2015 12:05 AM

More on the Nat Bosa developments
 
Video Link


The embedding seems to be messing up, but you can click the link below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AoqxICPGT8

Crackertastik Jun 24, 2015 2:13 AM

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Originally Posted by staplesla (Post 7073102)
Video Link


The embedding seems to be messing up, but you can click the link below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AoqxICPGT8

The video was great to see and made me really excited for the future of our skyline....and then I saw the sea of Parking at the Navy Broadway Complex.

What is the status of that project with Manchester. If not now, when? We are nearing the peak of this cycle. What the heck is the hold up, especially since I thought courts dismissed all of the litigation holding it up, nearly a year ago.

The waterfront will continue to drag and be a secondary attraction for downtown until that is completed.

ScottSD Jun 24, 2015 2:29 AM

Ballpark Village
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JPAztec (Post 7071600)
Has anybody been by the Bosa site on Pacific Highway and Broadway? Or how about Ballpark Village? Would be cool to know if they're pouring any concrete down in the Bosa hole, or if there's a crater at BP yet. Thanks!

Here is a photo from this morning of the excavation at Ballpark Village.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/261/18...4ba6db6f_z.jpg
Ballpark Village by ScottSD, on Flickr

SDCAL Jun 24, 2015 6:56 AM

Sevent and Market update
 
Finally. More details on this development.

From http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/...osed-downtown/

Downtown may get its first 5-star hotel

By Lori Weisberg6:16 p.m.June 23, 2015

SAN DIEGO - San Diego could be getting its first five-star downtown hotel, plus a Whole Foods market, as part of a proposal to develop a key East Village site at 7th Avenue and Market Street.

Cisterra Development, which has just completed a new downtown headquarters office building for Sempra, has proposed building a 160-room Ritz Carlton and 58 Ritz-branded condos as part of a mixed-use project that would also include offices, 115 apartments, 32 affordable housing units and public parking.

That proposal, along with another proposed project planned for a second East Village site at Park Boulevard and Market Street, will be considered at a July 15 meeting of a committee composed of Civic San Diego board members. They will make a recommendation on whether the city should enter into negotiations with the project developers.

The Park Boulevard project, proposed by the Vancouver-based Holland Partner Group, also envisions a mix of uses, including 341 apartments, of which 86 would be affordable, 51,700 square feet of office space and 22,900 square feet of retail space. The Ritz Carlton, rental units and condos will be part of a 39-story residential tower.

“We at Cisterra have great pride in what we’ve done in that neighborhood, having entered that market back in 2002 before the ballpark was even completed,” said Jason Wood, a project principal with Cisterra, which built the DiamondView office tower overlooking Petco Park. “Downtown San Diego needs a five-star hotel, and all other cities of any significance have at least one five-star hotel in downtown. We said this is the site to do it on, and Marriott (Ritz’s parent company) agreed with us.”

Next month’s Civic San Diego meeting will culminate a more than year-long process that began in December 2013 when Civic San Diego, a nonprofit corporation that oversees downtown development, sought proposals for the two East Village sites.

It is that process that is now being called into question by one of the competing developers, the Robert Green Company, which submitted proposals for the two downtown sites, which are both city-owned. As part of their submissions, developers were asked to include affordable housing and also what they would pay for the land. Those proceeds would go toward developing low-income housing elsewhere.

Green, in a letter last December to Civic San Diego and again in an interview on Tuesday, accused Civic San Diego of not adhering to its own decision-making process and giving its competitors an unfair advantage by allowing them to revise their original project proposals and change the purchase prices they offered for the city-owned land. He argued that the two projects, according to Civic San Diego, were flawed, while his was not.

The recommended projects, which ultimately will go to the full Civic San Diego board at the end of July and to the City Council most likely in September, were chosen by a selection committee that included representatives from Civic San Diego and the city.

Green’s biggest concerns relate to the 7th and Market site where he had proposed bringing a Virgin Hotel to downtown, as well as an Eataly food hall popularized by celebrity chef Mario Batali.

“Allowing others to change their submittals after our proposal was received is not only unfair in giving them more time to correct mistakes that should have disqualified them, it also makes it very possible for our proposed pricing and ideas to have been leaked to competitors, thereby influencing the revisions they are being allowed to make and compromising the integrity of the process,” wrote CEO Robert Green Jr.

He said on Tuesday that he plans to share his concerns with Civic San Diego board members, as well as City Council members “so that they don’t make a decision in a vacuum without knowing that these things occurred.” Green, whose company has teamed with Montage Hotels & Resorts to build an upscale 317-room Pendry Hotel in the Gaslamp Quarter, said he will consider filing a formal protest.

Civic San Diego President Reese Jarrett said Tuesday he believes the process was a fair one.

“This was a fair, diligent and comprehensive process conducted by the selection committee, and their recommendation will go through a public process,” he said.

Northparkwizard Jun 24, 2015 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Crackertastik (Post 7073223)
If not now, when? We are nearing the peak of this cycle. What the heck is the hold up, especially since I thought courts dismissed all of the litigation holding it up, nearly a year ago.

I'd guess it's in planning and if you've ever been to the DSD operations building you know what that means. Also I think they just initiated all new standards for SWPPP/Hydromodification for CA. Plus that proposal is so old now they probably need new acoustical, traffic, environmental, etc studies done not to mention costal commission approval.

Building in California... :slob:

Eightball Jun 24, 2015 8:31 PM

u/c in Little Italy (shot from PrepKitchen)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/477/18...c5b7ce1b_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

no idea where this is

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3935/1...4d259940_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/313/18...d02e62a6_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

another of the central court

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3943/1...084e6b86_b.jpgSan Diego by robb, on Flickr

Streamliner Jun 24, 2015 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eightball (Post 7074127)

That's at India and Ivy, looking toward the Fat City project

mello Jun 25, 2015 1:05 AM

Curious why doesn't the city put out request for proposals on the Sports Arena Property, MTS bus terminal, and (years ago) the Qualcomm stadium site. Seems like they would want to get the ball rolling on these prime sites to see what ideas the private sector has. You had people jumping at 12th/7th and Market so it seems like a no brainer. If they had planned for development at the Q site ten years ago maybe the EIR and all this mess would have already been finished. What are the odds of a private developer wanting to build an Arena and 2 500 footers on the bus terminal site?

Also 7th and Market 39 floors... I hope this is mixed use with office/hotel to push it to a 500 foot 39 floor tower rather than The Grande which is only 420 ft. 39 fl because it is all residential. I really think 7th/M should build to the highest point allowed.

kyzerky Jun 25, 2015 5:39 AM

Some neat ideas from NewSchool
 
Check this link out!
http://m.utsandiego.com/news/2015/ju...duates-thesis/


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