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Calfan12 Dec 8, 2022 5:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9809936)
Looks like AC will once again suspend YYZ-HKG through S23.

No wonder it wasn't mentioned in the previous long-hual change PR...

Yep & that makes Cathay Pacific happy operating the Toronto YYZ - Hong Kong HKG route on the Airbus A350!

casper Dec 8, 2022 7:49 AM

Came across some info on the new Porter Server out of Pearson.....

https://www.narcity.com/toronto/port...-lots-changing

What is interesting:
"In an attempt to "elevate economy flying", Porter said it will offer its passengers free Wi-Fi, fresh meals (on flights longer than 2.5 hours), and more legroom — because its new 132-seat jets will not have a middle seat."

Porter said it will also continue offering free beer, wine, and snacks on all of its flights.

Alongside the launch of its new fights, Porter has also announced two new fare options for travellers — PorterReserve and PorterClassic.

PorterClassic is the "à la carte" version of PoterReserve, where passengers could pay more for things like fresh food, extra legroom, and extra bags.
They are also claiming the aircraft are environmentally responsible being up to "25% cleaner compared to the airline industry's older technology" whatever that means.

Interesting model. Not certain if it will work. They are definitely swooping in to the market with something different and a certain flair to their offering that you don't find with the other players. Changing from being focused on props to jetlines is also interesting.

nname Dec 8, 2022 8:12 AM

So Porter's site is under maintenance tonight. Are they going to open a new version of their site and announce new routes tomorrow?

Calfan12 Dec 8, 2022 8:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9810004)
Came across some info on the new Porter Server out of Pearson.....

https://www.narcity.com/toronto/port...-lots-changing

What is interesting:
"In an attempt to "elevate economy flying", Porter said it will offer its passengers free Wi-Fi, fresh meals (on flights longer than 2.5 hours), and more legroom — because its new 132-seat jets will not have a middle seat."

Porter said it will also continue offering free beer, wine, and snacks on all of its flights.

Alongside the launch of its new fights, Porter has also announced two new fare options for travellers — PorterReserve and PorterClassic.

PorterClassic is the "à la carte" version of PoterReserve, where passengers could pay more for things like fresh food, extra legroom, and extra bags.
They are also claiming the aircraft are environmentally responsible being up to "25% cleaner compared to the airline industry's older technology" whatever that means.

Interesting model. Not certain if it will work. They are definitely swooping in to the market with something different and a certain flair to their offering that you don't find with the other players. Changing from being focused on props to jetlines is also interesting.

Yes, It could work.

Porter kind of reminds me of Red Arrow bus company in Canada- pay for your bus ticket & on the bus ride with them there’s free cookie snacks & drinks like pop, water & coffee where passengers can help themselves to in the back of the bus .Plus there’s wifi & also they show a movie on few overhead hanging TV few screens on the bus for all passengers to watch it together.

I’m willing to fly with Porter (if) they add a Edmonton YEG to Toronto YYZ route.

nname Dec 8, 2022 10:08 AM

Looks like Porter updated their website.

The first 3 routes listed from YYZ are:
YYZ-YVR
YYZ-YUL
YYZ-YOW

Vancouver is added to the route map and destination list

YYZ-YOW starting Feb 2, 4x daily
YYZ-YUL starting Feb 2, 3x daily, increasing to 4x daily in summer
YYZ-YVR starting Feb 7, 1x daily, increasing to 3x daily in summer

Route map also shows YVR to YOW/YUL, but I can't find any non-stop service open for reservation...

Tg11 Dec 8, 2022 2:12 PM

Airports bound to be crazy in the next couple of weeks tho well because of Christmas and what not

Dominion301 Dec 8, 2022 2:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9810014)
Looks like Porter updated their website.

The first 3 routes listed from YYZ are:
YYZ-YVR
YYZ-YUL
YYZ-YOW

Vancouver is added to the route map and destination list

YYZ-YOW starting Feb 2, 4x daily
YYZ-YUL starting Feb 2, 3x daily, increasing to 4x daily in summer
YYZ-YVR starting Feb 7, 1x daily, increasing to 3x daily in summer

Route map also shows YVR to YOW/YUL, but I can't find any non-stop service open for reservation...

So the rumours were true about the initial routes. This is just the beginning!

AC have announced their transborder S23 schedule. Restoring just about all hub routes, plus another attempt at JFK with 2x daily YYZ and daily YUL & the big one YYZ-SMF 4x weekly. That's a surprising one.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...855606468.html

Hopefully this means for summer 2024 they start rebuilding their focus cities.

Here's the full initial schedule:
Toronto – Montreal eff 02FEB23 3 daily Embraer E195-E2 (4 from 07FEB23)
PD103 YYZ0640 – 0800YUL 295 457
PD103 YYZ0655 – 0815YUL 295 16
PD105 YYZ0725 – 0845YUL 295 23
PD119 YYZ1415 – 1535YUL 295 D
PD125 YYZ1715 – 1835YUL 295 D
PD135 YYZ2220 – 2340YUL 295 D

PD102 YUL0705 – 0840YYZ 295 D
PD106 YUL0935 – 1110YYZ 295 D
PD120 YUL1620 – 1756YYZ 295 D
PD126 YUL1955 – 2130YYZ 295 D

Toronto – Ottawa eff 02FEB23 4 daily Embraer E195-E2
PD155 YYZ0655 – 0800YOW 295 D
PD169 YYZ1355 – 1500YOW 295 D
PD179 YYZ1755 – 1900YOW 295 x3
PD185 YYZ1915 – 2020YOW 295 3
PD191 YYZ2220 – 2325YOW 295 D

PD150 YOW0740 – 0858YYZ 295 D
PD156 YOW0920 – 1038YYZ 295 D
PD170 YOW1555 – 1713YYZ 295 D
PD182 YOW2010 – 2128YYZ 295 x3
PD188 YOW2110 – 2228YYZ 295 3


Operational schedule varies for Montreal and Ottawa from March 2023.

Toronto – Vancouver eff 07FEB23 1 daily Embraer E195-E2 (2 from 14FEB23, 3 from 21MAR23)
PD305 YYZ1015 – 1234YVR 295 D
PD313 YYZ1719 – 2018YVR 295 D
PD319 YYZ2215 – 0034+1YVR 295 D

PD302 YVR0630 – 1402YYZ 295 D
PD306 YVR1400 – 2132YYZ 295 D
PD318 YVR2255 – 0627+1YYZ 295 D

Source: https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221208-pdfeb23

Tg11 Dec 8, 2022 3:31 PM

Makes me feel bad for people having to fly out of these places especially due to possible snow coming in the next few weeks especially if you trying to fly out of these places to go wherever for Christmas or if you trying to fly out to go see family...going to be real hectic

Calfan12 Dec 8, 2022 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tg11 (Post 9810162)
Makes me feel bad for people having to fly out of these places especially due to possible snow coming in the next few weeks especially if you trying to fly out of these places to go wherever for Christmas or if you trying to fly out to go see family...going to be real hectic

That’s true, as during Christmas holidays there are always bad weather across Canada.

But (if) cancelled flights happen due to it , currently Air Canada & WestJet has fleet of planes to upgauge it on certain routes to clear the backlog of passengers.

Base Dec 8, 2022 4:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 9810014)
Looks like Porter updated their website.

The first 3 routes listed from YYZ are:
YYZ-YVR
YYZ-YUL
YYZ-YOW

Vancouver is added to the route map and destination list

YYZ-YOW starting Feb 2, 4x daily
YYZ-YUL starting Feb 2, 3x daily, increasing to 4x daily in summer
YYZ-YVR starting Feb 7, 1x daily, increasing to 3x daily in summer

Route map also shows YVR to YOW/YUL, but I can't find any non-stop service open for reservation...

Very cool. Looking forward to the day they serve YEG as I would love to give Porter a go. How do people find their VIPorter loyalty program?

Calfan12 Dec 8, 2022 4:04 PM

CANADIAN NORTH EXPANDS ALBERTA SERVICE FROM FEB 2023

Canadian carrier Canadian North from mid-February 2023 is expanding service between Yellowknife and Alberta, where the airline schedules Yellowknife – Calgary nonstop flight. From 14FEB23, Boeing 737-300/-700 aircraft to operate 1 daily flight.

5T251 YZF0810 – 1015YYC 73G x57
5T259 YZF1640 – 1845YYC 733 57

5T258 YYC0800 – 1005YZF 733 57
5T252 YYC1100 – 1305YZF 73G x57

On Yellowknife – Edmonton route, the airline from the same day will increase service from 14 to 16 weekly, with a mix of ATR42-500, Boeing 737-300/-700.

5T237 YZF0830 – 1055YEG AT5 246
5T235 YZF1020 – 1205YEG 73G 7
5T231 YZF1340 – 1525YEG 73G x567
5T245 YZF1645 – 1829YEG 733 15
5T245 YZF1705 – 1849YEG 733 247
5T245 YZF1725 – 1909YEG 733 36
5T239 YZF2110 – 2256YEG 733 5

5T238 YEG0700 – 0850YZF 733 5
5T244 YEG0745 – 0938YZF 733 D
5T240 YEG1530 – 1755YZF AT5 246
5T232 YEG1610 – 1755YZF 73G x467
5T236 YEG1620 – 1805YZF 73G 7

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221208-5tfeb23ab

Calfan12 Dec 8, 2022 4:44 PM

Flair plans to fly✈️the Calgary YYC- Saskatoon YXE route from May 9th 2023 1x daily & it’s bookable on Flair Airlines website. Sure Air Canada plans to end it mid January 2023,but other are slowly filling the void.

WestJet will get some competition on it.

thenoflyzone Dec 8, 2022 5:44 PM

https://media.aircanada.com/2022-12-...onto,-Montreal

New YYZ-JFK, YUL-JFK and YYZ-SMF.

hehehe Dec 8, 2022 6:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9810276)
Flair plans to fly✈️the Calgary YYC- Saskatoon YXE route from May 9th 2023 1x daily & it’s bookable on Flair Airlines website. Sure Air Canada plans to end it mid January 2023,but other are slowly filling the void.

WestJet will get some competition on it.

With WS ramping up to 7x daily flights to YXE next April (probably more come May and onwards) their schedules are far more convenient, plus most of these people who were taking AC were probably connecting onwards. I don't think Flair can adequately capture market share on this route. Maybe they can try to convince people who usually drive to fly instead?

Base Dec 8, 2022 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9810443)
With WS ramping up to 7x daily flights to YXE next April (probably more come May and onwards) their schedules are far more convenient, plus most of these people who were taking AC were probably connecting onwards. I don't think Flair can adequately capture market share on this route. Maybe they can try to convince people who usually drive to fly instead?

WS will pick up the former AC pax but Flair will have an opportunity to grab budget O&D traffic if the price difference is big enough. There is some familiarity with Flair in the YXE market already.

casper Dec 8, 2022 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9810276)
Flair plans to fly✈️the Calgary YYC- Saskatoon YXE route from May 9th 2023 1x daily & it’s bookable on Flair Airlines website. Sure Air Canada plans to end it mid January 2023,but other are slowly filling the void.

WestJet will get some competition on it.

Flair not filling the void left by Air Canada. Air Canada provides onward connections between Saskatoon and the rest of the network. Flair is simply a point to point airline.

Djeffery Dec 9, 2022 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9810004)
Interesting model. Not certain if it will work. They are definitely swooping in to the market with something different and a certain flair to their offering that you don't find with the other players. Changing from being focused on props to jetlines is also interesting.

Just wanted to say your work didn't go unnoticed lol. Good job.

Calfan12 Dec 9, 2022 2:24 AM

FLAIR AIRLINES ADDS CALGARY – SASKATOON SERVICE FROM MAY 2023

Canadian ultra-low-cost carrier Flair Airlines in Northern summer 2023 season plans to expand service to Saskatchewan, where the airline schedules Calgary – Saskatoon route. From 09MAY23, Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft to operate 1 daily round-trip flight.

F8570 YYC0905 – 1020YXE 7M8 D
F8571 YXE1105 – 1220YYC 7M8 D

The airline will continue to operate following service to/from Saskatoon:
Toronto – Saskatoon 2 weekly
Vancouver – Saskatoon 2 weekly (3 from 13JUN23)

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221209-f9may23yxe

Calfan12 Dec 9, 2022 2:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tg11 (Post 9810088)
Airports bound to be crazy in the next couple of weeks tho well because of Christmas and what not

Yep & looks like Calgary YYC is expecting 1.3 Million passengers for the month of December 2022 & 50,000 passengers between Dec 16-January 3 2023.

Calgary travellers advised to pack their patience this busy holiday season.
YYC Calgary International Airport and its partners are ramping up for a very busy travel season.

It is their first real holiday travel season since COVID-19 restrictions were lifted.

“We’re going to have 1.3 million guests forecast throughout the month of December,” said Chris Miles, the vice-president of operations and infrastructure for the airport authority.

“From Dec. 16 to Jan. 3, that’s actually going up to 50,000 guests per day."

https://globalnews.ca/news/9335289/h...lgary-airport/

Dominion301 Dec 9, 2022 5:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9810209)
CANADIAN NORTH EXPANDS ALBERTA SERVICE FROM FEB 2023

Canadian carrier Canadian North from mid-February 2023 is expanding service between Yellowknife and Alberta, where the airline schedules Yellowknife – Calgary nonstop flight. From 14FEB23, Boeing 737-300/-700 aircraft to operate 1 daily flight.

5T251 YZF0810 – 1015YYC 73G x57
5T259 YZF1640 – 1845YYC 733 57

5T258 YYC0800 – 1005YZF 733 57
5T252 YYC1100 – 1305YZF 73G x57

On Yellowknife – Edmonton route, the airline from the same day will increase service from 14 to 16 weekly, with a mix of ATR42-500, Boeing 737-300/-700.

5T237 YZF0830 – 1055YEG AT5 246
5T235 YZF1020 – 1205YEG 73G 7
5T231 YZF1340 – 1525YEG 73G x567
5T245 YZF1645 – 1829YEG 733 15
5T245 YZF1705 – 1849YEG 733 247
5T245 YZF1725 – 1909YEG 733 36
5T239 YZF2110 – 2256YEG 733 5

5T238 YEG0700 – 0850YZF 733 5
5T244 YEG0745 – 0938YZF 733 D
5T240 YEG1530 – 1755YZF AT5 246
5T232 YEG1610 – 1755YZF 73G x467
5T236 YEG1620 – 1805YZF 73G 7

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221208-5tfeb23ab

5T finally realizing they can use the all-pax ATR on the YEG-YZF route to increase frequencies. It's about time.

Here's the official PD press release about today's E95 announcement: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...880205177.html

I found this quote to be interesting:

Quote:

Montreal and Ottawa will continue playing important roles in Porter's network as new destinations are introduced in 2023.


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