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Onn May 13, 2015 7:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 7025924)
This quote couldn't be any more contradictory... it sounds like he was hinting at other developers not to go higher, but then said that "was" the plan and doesn't know the final building design.

I'm too confused man, you make no sense Barnett.

It sounds to me like Barnett is not entirely in charge of the design. With Nordstrom paying hundreds of millions of dollars for their part (not to mention picking the architect to design the "Nordstrom Tower") it seems likely they also had say in the matter. If they are going to pay that much for their portion of the tower and the tower is already so close to becoming the tallest building in the city, why not just make it the tallest building? Keeping the tower under the height of the 1WTC might be important to Barnett but maybe not so much to Nordstrom.

chris08876 May 13, 2015 9:36 PM

Thinking more in line of sales. Tallest in the U.S. is a big catch phrase.

NYguy May 13, 2015 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hunser (Post 7025779)
Well, after 9/11 the skyline was kind of flat (especially Downtown). Of course "flat" in NYC means having a 700 - 800ft plateau which is impressive. But with 1WTC and 432 PA (both 400m+ to the roof) the skyline as a whole gained some serious height and it will only get better.

Since this is OT, I'll stop here. :cheers:


Well, to go along with that line of thinking would suggest that before 9/11, NY lacked height. That is simply not true. It's been the one city that has consistently been known for the height of its skyscrapers. As far as the somewhat constant shift these days into what would be the city's tallest tower, or tallest residential, its just a repeat of skyline drama that went on decades ago. I really do hope that Nordstrom comes in as a new tallest.

Barnett has other things on his mind, regardless of height rankings...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-DVB-22806

Zapatan May 13, 2015 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 7026456)
Thinking more in line of sales. Tallest in the U.S. is a big catch phrase.

Tallest in the US. is short changing itself.

Tallest in the hemisphere is good, but even saying "One of the tallest in the world" sounds even better. Or just "Tallest residential tower in the world" because it will be as far as we know.

hunser May 14, 2015 2:33 PM

New York YIMBY: http://www.yimbynews.com/2015/05/off...rom-tower.html

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...68AqTiRBJ9.jpg

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It is certainly possible that plans have continued to change over the past few months, but foundations are already being poured and construction is beginning to creep upwards from the pit that currently sits nearly 100 feet below 57th Street. The documents list a pinnacle [roof] height of 1,515 feet or 462 meters, which would be just shy of the 1,530-foot figure indicated in the design from June of 2014.

This rendering also shows a pinnacle shorter than 1,795′, likely matching the previous estimate of 1,775′.

Busy Bee May 14, 2015 2:36 PM

Regardless of how the final design has turned out, if you're not excited about this you are dead inside.

Onn May 14, 2015 3:12 PM

Its so tall, gives you goosebumps inside! That looks like the taller version of the tower, the 1,795 feet. Although Yimby is seeming to deny that for some reason? :)

However I'm very divided about the Stern tower right across from it. I would much rather just have Nordstrom by itself. The two don't really fit together.

sparkling May 14, 2015 3:36 PM

^^^
On that rendering 220 CPS kind of reminds me of Barclay Tower downtown. Anyway, I personally don't mind it rising in front of Nordstrom, like the juxtaposition of limestone and glass

forj May 14, 2015 3:42 PM

holy crap that is amazing.. someone needs to mock that latest render into a view with the neighbors ( steinway, 432, TV, etc ). That central park view above is the best looking perspective on this thing i think we've seen.. i think it looks great. so damn tall holy crap haha

amhernandez2012 May 14, 2015 4:19 PM

It looks like they forgot to add the dreaded shadow of doom :whistle:

http://i.imgur.com/nfq7pRd.jpg
Edit of NY Yimby's photo

Skyguy_7 May 14, 2015 4:29 PM

One57 is indisputably tall. Then this rendering comes along and my heart skipped a beat and I forgot my name for a second. :shrug:

NYguy May 14, 2015 4:37 PM

Not the best we could have hoped for as far as design goes, but at this point, just get it built.

They need to get Steinway into that rendering though.



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/160059066/original.jpg

Onn May 14, 2015 4:53 PM

To NYguy, I think Nordstrom will come out better than you think. This is another tall+slender, which is already going to make it totally unique. It may end up being more dramatic than it looks right now.

KevininPhx May 14, 2015 5:51 PM

Wow.

Zapatan May 14, 2015 6:00 PM

Still looks 1480' and 1775' compared with the other two but it looks great!

forj May 14, 2015 6:21 PM

i like how that setback on the east side kinda mirrors the One 57 setback a little bit.. just noticed that.

Onn May 14, 2015 6:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 7027413)
Still looks 1480' and 1775' compared with the other two but it looks great!

The top of the tower however looks like the renders that Yimby released recently. So it leads me to believe it is the taller version. The spire is too difficult to tell on, however its not the order version that's for sure. At the very least it would seem this design is slightly taller than 1WTC, if not 1,795 feet.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/8D5S4C.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...et-higher.html


http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...68AqTiRBJ9.jpg
http://www.yimbynews.com/2015/05/off...rom-tower.html

NYguy May 14, 2015 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 7027322)
To NYguy, I think Nordstrom will come out better than you think. This is another tall+slender, which is already going to make it totally unique. It may end up being more dramatic than it looks right now.

Or it may end up looking worse.

Like I said, it's not the best design, it's not something I'm super excited to see built like the Tower Verre or Steinway. But it will be in the valley of the supertalls, and we have a lot of other eye candy.

Something about the scale from that angle though throws it off. I don't know if it's the asymetrical spire, or that last setback (where the cantilever tops off). I can't put my finger on it just yet, but it's a little off for me.

Now, if Barnett can get a tower of 1,100 to 1,200 ft between Steinway and One57, just the view of the supertalls will be amazing.

Onn May 14, 2015 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7027472)
Or it may end up looking worse.

Like I said, it's not the best design, it's not something I'm super excited to see built like the Tower Verre or Steinway. But it will be in the valley of the supertalls, and we have a lot of other eye candy.

Usually these things come out better than expected, you have to be positive. Like with One57, which is also an Extell and the renderings for that no one was sold on. I think the official rending for Nordstrom is better than I expected. I don't see the problems your pointing out, the height and slenderness is what people will notice most.

Sadly not every tower is going to be a Steinway or a Verre, I think people are getting a little spoiled. I mean even the supertalls going up around the world aren't all meeting expectations. If Barnett really wanted to blow everyone away he would have built his first design, but he also would have been paying through the roof for it. Some on here forget the developers are actually in these projects to make money, not because there are skyscraper nerds egging them on to build their best design. In China and Dubai its different, the governments are paying for the projects instead but they're also losing a ton of money on every project. Don't expect the crazy designs there to continue, it would bankrupt anybody in no time. There's a reason Dubai's property market crashed and China's debt has surged over 250% in six or seven years.

NYguy May 14, 2015 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 7027517)
Usually these things come out better than expected, you have to be positive.

I'll be more positive when I see some positive results. I am not seeing anything about this design that blows me over. It's a lot better than the earlier images, the spire has been improved and integrated with the tower more. Still, there's something missing.

When the fram starts shooting up past One57, and it begins to leave its own mark on the skyline, that will be exciting. I'm more interested in the profile of other new towers leaving their mark on the skyline. Luckily, we have no shortage of new towers to watch go up.


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